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Craft Bag is a pay to win feature because you can ONLY get it buy buying a subscription?
Hazurko_RaShan
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Craft Bag is a pay to win feature because you can ONLY get it buy buying a subscription? 330 votes
Most Def
8%
29 votes
Almost
2%
9 votes
Kinda Sorta
7%
24 votes
Well not so much
1%
6 votes
not sure about that
1%
6 votes
a wee bit maybe
1%
6 votes
Def not
75%
250 votes
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GeorgeBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I played until Summerset without subscription and I have completed all meaningful content with one character. Never out of gold, never over 1.5 mil.
Pve dps.
Pve tanking no trials.
Full on PvP BG cyro IC.
Ni craftbag.
I find it much easier with it but definatly no p2w.
Eso doesnt have p2w because it's not open world pvp.
You got pve stages and pvp BG/Cyro
Win what? Alliance war? You are one random player in a whole Alliance.
Win PvE against npc?Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 12, 2019 12:29AM7 -
LukosCreyden✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This entire game is P2W because I had to buy it to play it.
Seriously though, people need to look up the definition of "P2W". Unless I can physically kill in pvp or pve by smashing stuff to death with my craft bag, it isn't P2W.
Here is an example of P2W: Buying powerful weapons and armor in the crown store. THAT kind of stuff is P2W.Edited by LukosCreyden on July 12, 2019 12:25AMStruggling to find a new class to call home.Please send help.40 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LukosCreyden wrote: »This entire game is P2W because I had to buy it to play it.
Seriously though, people need to look up the definition of "P2W". Unless I can physically kill in pvp or pve by smashing stuff to death with my craft bag, it isn't P2W.
Here is an example of P2W: Buying powerful weapons and armor THAT ONLY EXIST in the crown store. THAT kind of stuff is P2W.
Fixed that for you.Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on July 12, 2019 12:31AM"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."14 -
Hazurko_RaShan✭✭✭Clearly you have excluded items in your scenario that are only available buy paying cash and can't be bought in the crown store.
Hence the need for the poll to look outside your paradigm0 -
freespirit✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭What exactly do you "win" by having a craft bag??
Does it make life easier? Well yes...…
Does it make your character's more powerful? No!!
When people say to me........
"You're going to regret that in the morning"
I sleep until midday cos I'm a problem solver!19 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Its a pay for convenience item. You don't win or lose anything except time spent managing inventory by subscribing for the Craft Bag.5 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Most people would describe "win" as something that gives you a numerical advantage in combat. Some might even be more specific and say that it can't be pay to win unless it affects pvp specifically.
Craft bag doesn't really fall into that category.
It's definitely an advantage that you have to pay to get, but as it doesn't help you in combat, it avoids most definitions of pay to win.4 -
sunshineflame✭✭✭You get access to the craft bag during ESO+ free play days, so you are incorrect0
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sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have giga internet...so I'm paying to win because I have better ping...silly isn't it?9 -
seratin✭✭✭I wouldn't call it p2w, but I wouldn't be willing to play this game without it. That means I pretty much consider this game to be sub based rather than buy to play.7
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barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Craft bag is a QoL benefit for subscribing. It does not help or prevent a character from advancing in levels or from obtaining gear.
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MisterBigglesworth✭✭✭✭✭
✭LukosCreyden wrote: »Unless I can physically kill in pvp or pve by smashing stuff to death with my craft bag, it isn't P2W.
The much anticipated 7th weapon skill line!
Abilities: Bag Whack, Throw Bag, Coin Shower (AOE stun), Bola Swing (snare), Summon Candy (HOT)
Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.28 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How are you winning the game with a craft bag.
Its Pay 4 Convenience. ALL of the supposedly P2W things people bring up are always actually Pay 4 Convenience.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!1 -
linoge63✭✭✭MisterBigglesworth wrote: »LukosCreyden wrote: »Unless I can physically kill in pvp or pve by smashing stuff to death with my craft bag, it isn't P2W.
The much anticipated 7th weapon skill line!
Abilities: Bag Whack, Throw Bag, Coin Shower (AOE stun), Bola Swing (snare), Summon Candy (HOT)
If they keep up the nerfs at this rate our bags will be all that's left to use!!6 -
rumple9✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is p2w because most of the best sets and monster helms are behind the dlc paywall.1 -
Skullstachio✭✭✭✭✭ESO is p2w because most of the best sets and monster helms are behind the dlc paywall.
That’s not entirely true, if you read some of the threads, you would know that some of the base game sets like pirate skeleton and a few others are actually performing so well.
And no OP, Craft bag is not a PTW, It is a optional convenience, saving ones time to sort inventory as @VaranisArano pointed out.
And at this point, this thread is like:
If you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...
If a game does not respect your time, best thing to do is move on from it and find something else.2 -
Alphawolf01A✭✭✭✭✭I think this guy just likes the word "paradigm". Must make him feel special and smart. LOL3
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭When the craft bag gives a 5% bonus to crit then it might be pay to win.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Crafting is optional, despite what people might feel is "necessary", so no.
As far as I know, everything you can get through Crafting and Vouchers you can get some other way, either with Tel Var Stones or buying it from another player. Maybe not convenient, but it's possible.
You could make the argument that it helps you accumulate materials with which you then through various means make more in-game gold. And that is a sort of unattainable bonus. I bet those RMT bots all have the Crafting Bag.
What ESO+ also has are buffs that you cannot get any other way -- bonus to Inspiration, for example. That is a type of Pay-to-Win : an advantage you cannot get any other way except buying it.
Edited by Dusk_Coven on July 12, 2019 3:12AM0 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭....so how does the crafting bag make me gitgud?
How does the crafting bag give me the BEST OP weapons in the game?
How does the crafting bag give me the BEST OP gear sets in the game?
How does the crafting bag make me do all vet hardmode content no death speed runs?
How does the crafting bag make me a 1vX god in pvp?
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phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭They have ESO+ Trials like 2-3 times a year, just plan your crazy farming times around those weeks to clear your bank and surveys.1 -
Veles✭✭✭✭Yes, coz buying craft bag you win craft!!!! We must stop this pay to win!!! this craft to win and this craft to pay!!!Edited by Veles on July 12, 2019 3:46AM1 -
NWOMark✭✭It is not!
If you have a choice to pick up ESO+ and you don't it is your own choice. You are not forced by ZOS or other ESO players to buy ESO+.
Only problem is that ESO+ is not mandatory and with that you get players in game that think that just buying a game they are entitled to everything game has to offer.
When I don't have money to pay for ESO+ I don't look as ESO+ players like they have PTW advantage!
Craft bag is supper but many players do just fine if not good without it.0 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭i'm glad to see that zos adding a few convenience buy-ables has opened the floodgates of noobs who have no idea what they're talking about/sarcastic people (who i'm assuming op is) to make threads about "Is tHiS PaY tO wIn!?!?" because at this point it's comedic for me.
GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer2 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭The craftbag is a reward for our loyalty.
We were the ones that wanted more out of subbing and we got it.PS NA
Have played all classes.
Warden Main4 -
So because i have a craftbag, i suddenly have godly powers to complete veteran trials solo, and kill people in cyrodiil by looking at them?
I wonder where those powers are hidden since i sure cant do those things ...3 -
Sergykid✭✭✭✭✭
✭ESO is p2w because most of the best sets and monster helms are behind the dlc paywall.
You can buy anything from the clown store with ingame gold, through the gifting option. And u don't have to trust random zone player, there's discord legit server. The only p2w thing is the chapter untradeable sets. But even those are not p2w cuz u have equal or better alternatives-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AbysmalGhul wrote: »*shoots self*
- uses craft bag to resurrect AbysmalGhul -"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."2
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