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Do you want to see the balance team run vet trials on the PTS?
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ezio45✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesNot really, as I said in another thread I don't think it would give a clear indication of the systems.
I would rather see player trials guilds of various levels play it and see if they can still clear the content and where the issues are. They're the ones with hundreds of hours of gameplay invested into trials to gain the knowledge and skill not the devs.
Asking devs to play content is just a gotcha so people can go "well devs can't do it, so it's bad game design"
The dev team also consists of testers. At least every development team I have worked on. Someone must have green lit the upcoming changes from an integrated playability perspective. The PTS is not for that it's a pre live, staging/UAT environment. They can't be blind changing without testing, white knuckling till PTS, surely... Anyway, that team will have tested and approved the changes made in the most basic sense, and thus they would be the best suited to demonstrate how they factor into and impact general play, because they already know - - which informs future change in line with their 'vision'. Or, they should... If not, that cause for concern, no? Because otherwise that really will mean that no one at ZOS knows how the game is played, or what the hell their changes are doing.
ya, well whoever green lit these changes from a playablility perspective. Clearly needs to be fired. There either arnt doing their job or are incapable of it do to there masochistic tendencies or lack of knowledge on what players actually consider playable0 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭YesThis would be hilarious. I remember when they told us to "Git Gud" before realizing they couldn't even beat their own hardmode scalecaller.II Blinkin II
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Eraldus✭✭✭✭YesSeriously, I really want to see them do any endgame PVE activity before and after the Buildbreaker update, then compare both results...0 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoI'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?I'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?
Some of the engineers are, in fact, neurosurgeons and train other surgeons though. So...
Well, the Combat Team probably spend most of thier time doing thier job, and nowhere near as much time training for vet Trials as Hodor, so your attempt to expand my analogy doesn't truly apply.. other than to perhaps reinforce the point I made with the analogy.
I saw the ulterior motive of this thread immediately. Many of the 'Yes' votes know that the Combat Team probably are not an elite Trials team, and are voting 'Yes' knowing full well that the Combat Team would fail to clear the content under the PTS patch.
This would prove nothing, of course. It would, however, provide the 'Yes' vote mentality with petty satisfaction and faulty support for their call to revoke the PTS patch.
tl/dr: Poll is worthless and motivated by petty desire to embarass the Combat Team.
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DR4GONFL1✭✭✭✭Yes, as long as they are on a mix of consoles, PC and MAC systems using ESO servers during peak time. I want the normal lag, load screens and players being kicked from server as part of the experience as well.
I would pay to see this....4 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesI'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?I'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?
Some of the engineers are, in fact, neurosurgeons and train other surgeons though. So...
Well, the Combat Team probably spend most of thier time doing thier job, and nowhere near as much time training for vet Trials as Hodor, so your attempt to expand my analogy doesn't truly apply.. other than to perhaps reinforce the point I made with the analogy.
I saw the ulterior motive of this thread immediately. Many of the 'Yes' votes know that the Combat Team probably are not an elite Trials team, and are voting 'Yes' knowing full well that the Combat Team would fail to clear the content under the PTS patch.
This would prove nothing, of course. It would, however, provide the 'Yes' vote mentality with petty satisfaction and faulty support for their call to revoke the PTS patch.
tl/dr: Poll is worthless and motivated by petty desire to embarass the Combat Team.
Personally, I just want them to experience the bugs they're conveniently ignoring. Under ideal circumstances, elite teams will find ways to heal HMs in spite of the healing nerfs. Most of us rarely use Spring spam anyway. What I want them to see are the moments when the spam becomes imperative due to the bugs. The Lothis fidget spinner impression with his poison cone, The Warrior farting out his shield in the opposite direction of the AoE telegraph, loading into the first split in AA dead/almost dead because you've got overcharge and call lightning before you can see/do anything, healing through someone stacked with Overcharge, call lightning, and poison AoE (which is oddly hitting harder this patch than before) in vSO, the myriad other telegraph and indicator misfires that are happening in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE. Let them see what it's like to heal through that trash, especially with their brilliantly gimped abilities.
Making changes is fine, and we can absolutely adapt, but you can't make them in a vacuum and expect it to be okay. They need to first fix the reasons this stuff is needed.Edited by p00tx on July 10, 2019 6:02PMPC/Xbox NA
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Rehdaun✭✭✭✭✭YesI would love to see that. Make 'em wear those crap survival sets. Force them to use those defensive ults that @ZOS_BrianWheeler seems to be so fond of. See if they can hit the dps checks that's in nearly every dlc trial. Have them all stand there and struggle with clunky ultimate cast times. Make them wear those stupid heavy armor sets that they've ruined. See if they can heal their team out of a paper bag.
Oh yeah, this will be fun.
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therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoI'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?I'm not interested in the Combat Team's ability to clear a vet Trial.
I am, however, extremely interested in Hodor's opinion.
When I want a professional assessment, I ask a professional.
Do you want your brain surgery performed by a top neurosurgeon, or by the engineer who designed the surgical instruments?
Some of the engineers are, in fact, neurosurgeons and train other surgeons though. So...
Well, the Combat Team probably spend most of thier time doing thier job, and nowhere near as much time training for vet Trials as Hodor, so your attempt to expand my analogy doesn't truly apply.. other than to perhaps reinforce the point I made with the analogy.
I saw the ulterior motive of this thread immediately. Many of the 'Yes' votes know that the Combat Team probably are not an elite Trials team, and are voting 'Yes' knowing full well that the Combat Team would fail to clear the content under the PTS patch.
This would prove nothing, of course. It would, however, provide the 'Yes' vote mentality with petty satisfaction and faulty support for their call to revoke the PTS patch.
tl/dr: Poll is worthless and motivated by petty desire to embarass the Combat Team.
Personally, I just want them to experience the bugs they're conveniently ignoring. Under ideal circumstances, elite teams will find ways to heal HMs in spite of the healing nerfs. Most of us rarely use Spring spam anyway. What I want them to see are the moments when the spam becomes imperative due to the bugs. The Lothis fidget spinner impression with his poison cone, The Warrior farting out his shield in the opposite direction of the AoE telegraph, loading into the first split in AA dead/almost dead because you've got overcharge and call lightning before you can see/do anything, healing through someone stacked with Overcharge, call lightning, and poison AoE (which is oddly hitting harder this patch than before) in vSO, the myriad other telegraph and indicator misfires that are happening in EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE. Let them see what it's like to heal through that trash, especially with their brilliantly gimped abilities.
Making changes is fine, and we can absolutely adapt, but you can't make them in a vacuum and expect it to be okay. They need to first fix the reasons this stuff is needed.
With this I wholeheartedly agree
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Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesNot really, as I said in another thread I don't think it would give a clear indication of the systems.
I would rather see player trials guilds of various levels play it and see if they can still clear the content and where the issues are. They're the ones with hundreds of hours of gameplay invested into trials to gain the knowledge and skill not the devs.
Asking devs to play content is just a gotcha so people can go "well devs can't do it, so it's bad game design"
Why?
If my vet trial group went on to the PTS to see if they are having issues with the changes. And came on here and reported those issues, do you know what would happen? Absolutely nothing. Anything we "report" would be ignored.
At least if the devs can't do it they can see where the problems are and fix them, what we say is pointless. Let's see them do it.
And I agree with Uriel's assertion too, don't bring templar healers and DK tanks. Do it with sorc and NB healers. And maybe even a NB tank.
I doubt the devs would have run it enough at all let alone with a steady group to have the insight to know a problem when they see it.Beta tester November 20130 -
roksolana_sowa✭✭✭YesNot whole team couse they will not close it and it not correct to ask them play as raidgroup aw, u can just take one from them to any of dlc trial witn one group in live and in pts with same team to compere changes so he can test this feeling in his own ass.0 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YesTo spice thing up, they should all do it on WW with Pack Leader morph...
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Androconium✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yesi have no idea what this is about. I said yes anyway. that was right, wasn't it?1 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Androconium wrote: »i have no idea what this is about. I said yes anyway. that was right, wasn't it?
This thread is just one of a hundred over reactions to the patch notes.0 -
p00tx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesAndroconium wrote: »i have no idea what this is about. I said yes anyway. that was right, wasn't it?
This thread is just one of a hundred over reactions to the patch notes.
I don't know which game you've been playing, but if you think people are overreacting, it definitely hasn't been ESO.PC/Xbox NA
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stpdmonkey✭✭✭YesI dont believe they have any idea of how the game actually works. I dont believe they even know what to do. They tell developers what they want and then watch them code crap into it and call it gold. I'd love to see them actually able to do what they program. Play the game as they claim it should be played.1
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stpdmonkey✭✭✭YesMake it a channel on something. Make them play on our normal systems and consoles on normal servers. Oh that would be a good show. Lots of swearing and quitting. Definately would make my eso plus subscription worth it. Hell if they did that I'd pay double.0
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YesI'd like to see them try it with 2 healers of any class but templars.
For me, it's not a "gotcha" matter. I just want to see they go through what the players will have to go through on an actual PVE endgame setting. I want to see if they will spec for sustain when their DPS is already going to be lower or heavy attack all the time. I want to see if they think the experience is more fun than frustrating because, in my opinion, a game is supposed to be fun before anything else.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭YesYea sure, why not. They’d have fun and probably get more insight into the game. Especially if they played characters they don’t usually play on live.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Cryptical✭✭✭✭✭
✭YesIf they also commented on things as they go.
Like playing a movie with the commentary audio track brings us behind the scenes and provides insight, so too would their running commentary enlighten us.
There was never a more humanizing moment for the developers than when they were on livestream attempting vet march of sacrifices hard mode and what’s-his-face growled in frustration “F*ck you strangler!”
A certain amount of distance is required so that the dev team can maintain the necessary broad-view perspective. However, too much distance has led to the players feeling detached from a game in which we invest our personal time and emotion and treasure.Xbox NA1 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoI don't want to see their balance team do it, I want to see their internal test team do it. I'm 90% sure those are different people.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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