Maintenance for the week of December 22:
• NA megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)
• EU megaservers for maintenance – December 22, 4:00AM EST (9:00 UTC) - 8:00AM EST (13:00 UTC)

U23 Combat Changes feedback (from another user in reddit)

Davadin
Davadin
✭✭✭✭✭
from: https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/car0p5/additional_context_on_u23_combat_changes_and/
by: u/Doctordarkspawn
Heyo gang!

We wanted to quickly provide some additional context for many of the combat changes in this update so that everyone has a better idea of our goals.

In Update 23 our main focus was to ensure there was an ultimate point of reference for abilities to properly match up against one another in their respective categories. This provides us with a solid baseline, where all abilities fit within a set of standards/power levels and allows future balancing passes to be much easier and timely.

We're aware that some content has been designed around old functionality of abilities that existed beyond our standards and might need some sort of compromise in regards to how you engage with it and/or how we balance it. This is something we will be watching closely, however we are not averse to the idea that players might need to adjust their current builds such as running more defensive Ultimates rather than offensive ones, or running more survival enhancing sets, rather than pure damage or buff oriented ones. Please also remember that we've introduced some new abilities to help offset the loss of things such as Healing Springs stacking, with abilities like Ring of Preservation, or the large increase to Cleansing Ritual.

As always, we will be monitoring feedback about all the balance changes during this PTS cycle, however we wanted to let everyone know that in a future PTS patch, the synergy from Orbs will not cause the Orb to vanish and can be activated multiple times by anyone not on synergy cool down.
This was the additional context post Brian Wheeler put on the PTS section, and I have a issue with it. Specifically that middle paragraph.



ZOS's design philosophy has been hands off for a long long time. They radically changed the game, left PVE to it's own devices, then just let us keep the meta we built once PVE became a focus again. In order to maintain that, we need the control that ZOS isn't going to give us.

People like Code have already made it clear in endgame settings clensing ritual or ring of preservation are worth absolute bupkis. Is this supposed to be a roll MMO or not? Are we supposed to follow -your vision-, or improvise?

You dont get to have it both ways, Wheeler. Either give us the control necessary to meet the challenges you set up for us, stop tampering with our tools, or nerf the content to suit the new changes and gameplay style. You either have to relinquish the control and let us use the mechanics as we see fit, or change the entire game and stop doing half measures. You dont get it both ways. Let us deal with the problem with the tools provided, or re-design the entire game, trial mobs, resistances, so on, for this new style of play. Take responsibility for the changes you made, or relinquish it.



Lets dissect this at it's most basic level.

Play a Magsorc, Mr Wheeler, in the upcoming dungeon. Tell me the AOE change is a good idea. Play a class entirely reliant on AOE dots for it's damage, then get back to me. And as people have stated, the single target dot changes -still- result in a loss, and even less functionality due to trouble with trash packs.





Edit: IF some kind soul has a bee in their bonnet like I do about this, please post the above criticism on their forums in response to that point as I cannot.

Proof: mmak5u.png
August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
  • Firstmep
    Firstmep
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    I like how the guy specifically said not to put his name forth on the forums, unless you want to get actioned for ban evasion, and you went through and did it anyway;D
    Edited by Firstmep on July 9, 2019 2:23PM
  • Davadin
    Davadin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Firstmep wrote: »
    I like how the guy specifically said not to put his name forth on the forums, unless you want to get actioned for ban evasion, and you went through and did it anyway;D

    he msg me through DM, and he confirmed he's just concerned that *I* would get banned, not him.


    So, meh. ZOS going to ban me for posting a very valid, constructive feedback from a reddit user (albeit said user was banned in the past)?
    August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
    Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
    March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
  • Donny_Vito
    Donny_Vito
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, meh. ZOS going to ban me for posting a very valid, constructive feedback from a reddit user (albeit said user was banned in the past)?

    Don't poke the bull...
  • Donny_Vito
    Donny_Vito
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    And this part at the very end...
    Edit: IF some kind soul has a bee in their bonnet like I do about this, please post the above criticism on their forums in response to that point as I cannot.


    Is there some context to this. Just curious. Is he banned here or something?
  • Davadin
    Davadin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Donny_Vito wrote: »
    And this part at the very end...
    Edit: IF some kind soul has a bee in their bonnet like I do about this, please post the above criticism on their forums in response to that point as I cannot.


    Is there some context to this. Just curious. Is he banned here or something?

    yes. for "a long, and storied history of speaking too frankly to the devs".

    his words. not mine. copied from my reddit DM. but let's not focus on that. focus on his feedback, which i feel quite valid.
    August Palatine Davadin Bloodstrake - Nord Dragon Knight - PC NA - Gray Host
    Greymoor 6.0.7 PvP : Medium 2H/SnB The Destroyer
    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
    March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
  • RebornV3x
    RebornV3x
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    pretty good points in the reddit post
    Xbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
    I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.
  • BlueRaven
    BlueRaven
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like how the developers post stuff on reddit and not their own forums... 😕
  • Minno
    Minno
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    I like how the developers post stuff on reddit and not their own forums... 😕

    It's on the pts section.
    Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
    - Guild-lead for MV
    - Filthy Casual
  • BlueRaven
    BlueRaven
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Minno wrote: »
    BlueRaven wrote: »
    I like how the developers post stuff on reddit and not their own forums... 😕

    It's on the pts section.

    I stand corrected. Thank you.
  • luen79rwb17_ESO
    luen79rwb17_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    That "aditional context" thread is more confusing than any of wrobel past responses before, and that saying alot.

    All I can say for now is, forget about that "play how you want" thing. Now it's more like play in the box they caged us in (*ahem* ability standards / ability audit).

    These changes are feeling too much WoW-esque for my likes.
    PC/DC/NAserver

    V16 sorc - V16 temp - V16 dk - V1 nb - V1 temp - V1 dk
Sign In or Register to comment.