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One-Time Faction Change for PvP

Orlacc
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As someone who has played ESO since beta, i have made characters of different factions to experience each storyline. As a result I have high-level toons of many different classes and builds. I would pvp with each at different times. Now, some of my toons are forced to play on barely populated Cyrodiil campaigns and as a result, I don't play them much. If faction-lock is deemed necessary to offset losers who jump to the winning side, then at least give us bitter vets a one time shot to align our long-term characters.
  • Kel
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    As someone who's been outspokenly pro faction lock, I completely agree with you.

    While the change has been positive for the 30 day CP campaign, this drastic change should've come with a one time faction change for all characters.
    It's almost unbelievable this was not thought of...but on the other hand, this is Zos...so....yeah
    Edited by Kel on July 2, 2019 11:37PM
  • Abhaya
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    All of my characters are on the same faction but I still think this is a good idea. For sure it should be a 1 time thing per character though unlike race or name change.
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  • TheShadowScout
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    As I always say when this comes up... I am all for faction change, If Done RIGHT!

    And by that I don't mean some token that pops your character to a new alliance, I do indeed mean a whole guild-DLC sized questline with an cloak and dagger (Or since this is ESO, "hood and dagger", perhaps?) spycraft flavor and a "faction loyalty called in question" plot, where you get to make a big choice in the middle - stay loyal to your alliance and prove yourself, or turn your back on them and defect to greener pastures elsewhere...

    With the second half (or two thirds, or whatever) of the questline being different depending on your choice - either uncovering the one who actually framed you, mobilize your old and trusted allies to gather support and track down the true conspiracy while dodging the agents sent to bring you in; or preparing your escape, dodging the agents sent to arrest you, courting your desired new friends while grabbing some juicy secrets on the way out to sweeten the deal, etc.

    Such a story could have a neutral city as "spycraft" focal point (like vienna during the cold war, where spies and agents often went to spy hard between the two sides - for ESO it could be some place between the alliances, a former imperial town declared "free city" after the fall of the empire in northern nibenay, eastern colovia or western skyrim, perhaps, or even an post-anchorite-war isle of stirk...), but otherwise take you all over the old faction regions, possibly revisiting a few one-time-only maps with new mobs... and perhaps even meeting a few familiar faces (come on, wouldn't you love to slam a porticullis shut into Razum-dars face as you hop on a boat bound to Morrowind with thre adorable Naryu? ;) )

    Such a questline could even have special titles depending on what you choose... "[original faction] Loyalist" or "[original faction] Defector"... obviously it would be a one-time only event, thus making serial defectors that change alliance depending on which one is currently top in cyrodil that some people always fear when this topic comes up an impossibility.

    And it also might have drawbacks for PvP, like... reduced AP gain for several months, since noone fully trusts a traitor... or maybe having to re-earn all the AP up to your current rank before you start progressing again, representing your efforts to convince your new allies of your trustworthyness... and definitely increased AP rewards if a member of your original faction takes you down, because...
    Star_wars_traitor_gif_by_mrarcadium-daafqoh.gif
    :)
    (there could even be a daily "hunt traitor" mission, and defectors from your PvP-characters alliance in cyrodil getting an visual clue while that mission is active...)

    Also, this could be a option to add new factions to PvP.
    And yes, those could be "crown store unlocks"...
    Like... have options to not just defect to one of the other two alliances, but also "go rogue" and join a new "Outlaw" faction (...black color and jolly roger flag, perhaps? Would be hostile to -every- other faction in cyrodil, and spawn at some new but unsecured base, thus very susceptible to enemy raids - trials of being an outlaw in the face of organized armies); or an "Imperial Remnant" faction (purple imperial diamond flag, spawning in some ill-secured legion base somewhere, possibly at the nibenay border, and also fighting everyone else, but turning all the "imperial" NPCs in cyrodil non-hostile?), or a "neutral" faction that is "yellow" to everyone (green flag and incapable of capturing locations, spawning at various random merchant camps and such...)
    Might be too complicated, but would still be interesting!
  • brtomkin
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    I have always thought that an option to switch alliances after completing Cadwell's Gold would make sense.

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  • aetherial_heavenn
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    Or just give a faction change/alliance change token after completing Cadwell's Gold. This solves the issue of the main quest lines being faction related. Once you have experienced all the factions on your character you can then determine your true loyalties...without having to introduce a new quest line. The main Cadwell quests could be marked in the zone finder and quest log so PvPers could prioritize those. It would also mean those who swap would have to be pretty serious about a permanent change.

    (A faction change mid Cadwell would require a bunch of new quest paths and would be very time and resource intensive to tweak, I think.)

    Otherwise there are unlocked 7 days for those who want to swap around play with friends or do guild runs on alts or farm AP. And of course your account is only locked to a paticular faction for 30 days. People seem to have no issues waiting a month to upgrade Indrik mounts. Waiting 30 days to flip doesn't seem unreasonable in an AvAvA environment where the campaign is the expressed goal, not individual AP/transmute crystals.
    Edited by aetherial_heavenn on July 3, 2019 1:40AM
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  • Orlacc
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    The PvP faction lock was arbitrarily imposed, so a one-time change is warranted.....
  • Skinzz
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    I would be ok with it if you're previous alliance rank gets wiped. You dont automatically become general of a new alliance without working your way up.
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  • Ectheliontnacil
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    Skinzz wrote: »
    I would be ok with it if you're previous alliance rank gets wiped. You dont automatically become general of a new alliance without working your way up.

    Why would the alliance you're changing to demote to the recruit rank?
    You've already gained experience from possibly years of pvp, so it's in the new alliance's interest for you to retain your high rank. Since you can make use of your experience as an officer in the alliance war.

    The argument from a lore friendly pov, if that's your main concern.
  • Surak73
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    I'm all for faction-lock and all of my chars are AD, but I totally agree with you. One should have the chance to choose the alliance for his toons, as long as he doesn't want to change it twice a day...

    I think that there would be some issue with the "Any race, any alliance" thing, but nothing which can't be addressed (or at least ignored...).
  • barney2525
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    I understand why people want the 'change faction' option - at least one time. My problem is that the people who want it are Only looking at one specific issue - PvP, and either don't realize all the conflicts a faction change would cause, or don't care about it, or both.

    I run an AD character. I run through half the main quest, and get halfway through the Alliance quests. Then I change factions.

    What exactly is going to happen at this point? Can't complete the AD alliance quests. Can't get credit for doing any of the 'new' faction quests. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    I know you only care about PvP. But until you come up with solutions as to how All the other aspects involved with changing factions can be handled, it ain't gonna happen.

    IMHO

  • Raudgrani
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    Now that they introduced the faction lock, I agree we need to be able of switching alliance. It should be possible with a token, but I don't think "one time" is the solution. Make faction change have a cooldown of like 3-6 months or so. People will still complain about *that* too alright, but at least it's a way to be nice to the ones who made different race characters, and that didn't have "Any race, any alliance" available at that time. Maybe they didn't PVP when they made it, and it's unfair that you'd have to make a new toon and level everything up again, just to be able to use it for the alliance you like.
  • idk
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    Unfortunately Zos has expressed a disregard for those who have characters in various factions.

    More specifically, they completely lifted reasons to be concerned about choices of faction then decided to bring faction locks back and are not troubled by the impact of their own decisions on the player base.
  • AngelaWasp
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    Big-time agree, it took me months to figure out which alliance I'd align myself with. Some guilds won't accept players who have toons in various other alliances, so I'm locked out of those guilds, because I have toons in all 3 factions. I won't delete any of them due to horse training being maxed.
  • dennissomb16_ESO
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    Having gone to One Tamerial and removed faction lock and now going back to faction lock they really should have offered a one time faction change for characters. My guess is they are waiting to see if the new faction lock works for a few months and then evaluate its success/failure. There is a good chance they will go back to no faction lock (or add non lock campaigns) so they dont want to add a second "one time" faction change.
  • Sanguinor2
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    barney2525 wrote: »
    I understand why people want the 'change faction' option - at least one time. My problem is that the people who want it are Only looking at one specific issue - PvP, and either don't realize all the conflicts a faction change would cause, or don't care about it, or both.

    I run an AD character. I run through half the main quest, and get halfway through the Alliance quests. Then I change factions.

    What exactly is going to happen at this point? Can't complete the AD alliance quests. Can't get credit for doing any of the 'new' faction quests. And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

    I know you only care about PvP. But until you come up with solutions as to how All the other aspects involved with changing factions can be handled, it ain't gonna happen.

    IMHO

    What do you mean tho? You can do whichever overland and Story quest whenever you want. One Tamriel wasnt reverted for PvE.
    If you run an AD character and run through half the main quest and through half the alliance quests you can still continue them after changing factions, you dont Need to unlock cadwells silver or Gold for zones anymore. Only Thing that would have to Change is to which of the 3 harborages you go for the main quest.
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  • Alucardo
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    Generally I'm against faction changes, but I think in this instance a one time change isn't asking for too much. This isn't coming from a selfish notion either, as all my pvp characters have always been DC, and will always be.
  • starlizard70ub17_ESO
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    I'm like a lot of players who support a one time faction change. Most of my characters are AD but I have 2 EP characters that I created 4 years ago just to play the story line of another faction. Since we have a faction lock, I'd like to move them over to use them in PvP if I choose to.
    Edited by starlizard70ub17_ESO on July 3, 2019 1:53PM
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  • Orlacc
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    Anyone who played before One Tamreil should get the one-time chance.
  • Orlacc
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    Just had an support email back and forth. Nice folks but very robotic. Bottom line is tough titties. You can not play your 5 year old toons on the 30 day CP server unless they are of proper faction and we will not let you change them. Sadly I smell some monetization on the way.....
  • ks888
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    @aetherial_heavenn I don't know any PvP'er that has done Cadwell's gold since One Tamriel. We get our skyshards and move on. I haven't done those quests since my first 2 toons when the Veteran System was in place.
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