Eso twitch streamers

akl77 · July 2019

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

Thogard · July 2019

That’s actually two questions

Ashaerien · July 2019

Level of entertainment, how well-known the streamer is vs how long they've been around, etc. Some of the 'higher view' players are players who also write guides, tutorials, answer questions about more than just what their stream title is, etc.

enzoisadog · July 2019

Some streamers embed their stream to a website thats why when some of those "big" streamers host someone its usually 200-300 people.

Heelie · July 2019

Noone really likes to watch progression raids. Tabatta has quite a few considering she mostly just stream progression raids. A group resseting every 10 mins because of a death is not really entertaining to watch long term.

Alucardo · July 2019

Yes, embedding. If you've ever wondered how a particular streamer went from 900-1000 concurrent views up to 5-6k, there's generally some morally questionable tactics behind it.
Personally I could care less. Why take the long road when there's shortcuts available.

x48rph · July 2019

Yeah. I might watch a PvE video to learn how to do a dungeon or trial or something but I have no interest in watching live while they stream it.Too boring. PvP on the other hand is unpredictable so more entertaining and interesting, at least to me

TexGod · July 2019

They embed their viewers. It's basically viewbotting, but it's not against ToS, so Twitch doesn't care!

Priyasekarssk · July 2019

akl77 wrote: »

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

I really have that doubt. The reason is whenever he started streaming, there is always 2000+ viewers within the very first few seconds. But, hey I could be wrong. Even the world best streamers get a few minutes to go in thousands. Total PVP players in ESO is barely thousand. Currently, the way the game is balanced rather than real Op stuff to get nerfed, I believe there is a big scam going behind.

But if you ready to invest 25 dollars to 50 dollars a month, you can do it too.

https://ppcprotect.com/what-is-viewbotting/

Currently, it's not illegal and many are doing it. But, some got arrested for ADs view fraud. Twitch seems currently doesn't care to view botting until its ADs view fraud. Twitch maybe doesn't care because it inflates fake view counts for their platform. Please don't take my words for any legal advice.

The gaming community quickly identifies real PVP pros from fake ones within a few minutes of watching their streams. Many ESO streamers are pure garbages except Alcast for PVE at present.
Many true pros will have unbiased views and honest in opinions.

ManwithBeard9 · July 2019

Alucardo wrote: »

Yes, embedding. If you've ever wondered how a particular streamer went from 900-1000 concurrent views up to 5-6k, there's generally some morally questionable tactics behind it.
Personally I could care less. Why take the long road when there's shortcuts available.

More or less this. Alcast and Fengrush have their streams embedded on Alcast's website. Dottz had/has his on his own site. Fextralife has their's embedded as well. There's other people I'm missing. But most that host their own site embed their streams for "anonymous" viewers.

leepalmer95 · July 2019

akl77 wrote: »

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

Pve is the same dungeons over and over, same mechanics, it's static.

But saying that alcast gets loads of viewers as well.

Mitrenga · July 2019

When I have time to watch streams, I try to find different games than the ones I know. I have found Gris recently and glad that I did.

Besides, ESO gets pretty boring after all those years. PvP is dead and PvE is not aging well. Personally, I had a lot of joy and the feeling of accomplishment when we cleared our first Craglorn vet trial in the past. Now, I do not get that feeling with the new dungeons/trials (except for the Moon Hunter Keep and March of Sacrifices, I love those). So, it is understandable why people tend to stay away from ESO streams after spending some years in the game.

ManwithBeard9 · July 2019

leepalmer95 wrote: »

akl77 wrote: »

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

Pve is the same dungeons over and over, same mechanics, it's static.

But saying that alcast gets loads of viewers as well.

He has his stream embedded on his website.

Cpt_Teemo · July 2019

TexGod wrote: »

They embed their viewers. It's basically viewbotting, but it's not against ToS, so Twitch doesn't care!

As long as they aren't truly bots that is

ecru · July 2019

The reason a lot of people don't watch progression streams is because there are very few people who seem to be interested in end game raiding in the first place, at least in ESO. The pool of people who are actually clearing or progressing on vSS HM on the NA servers is very very small.

Someone mentioned view botting, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a thing for some streamers who are especially.. uh, boring, not good at the game, don't interact with their viewers, and don't stream anything interesting. I think someone streaming progression or hardmode clears would probably be less likely to buy viewers or even advertise their stream because they already know that their audience is very niche.

DaveMoeDee · July 2019

akl77 wrote: »

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

Fextralife gets the most viewers and that is PvE. Alcast gets similar to Fengrush doing plenty of PvE.

The reality is that you should be trying to judge streamers by viewer count because all 3 of the streams I listed get viewers from embedding their streams in their popular websites. I take issue with people comparing this to viewbotting. The web sites are advertising for their streams, a revenue source that helps pay for their sites. But Twitch should do a better job of accounting for this when listing the most popular streams in a category.

If you look at the total number of people watching ESO streams when there is no one streaming that embeds their stream in a web site, you can see that during Twitch prime time, the number of ESO viewers is too low to believe that anyone is getting 5k viewers at the time of day that Alcast or Fengrush often stream. Same for Fextralife and their 10k viewers for every game.

irstarkey57 · July 2019

akl77 wrote: »

I have this question, what’s the reason where pvp streamers always got 5k+ Viewers for fengrush, And 100-200 viewers for smaller PvP streams.
Where professionals PVE players that runs in top raid guilds streaming only ever has 20 viewers max.

Are PVE contents really that boring? Or most people only PvP in eso? Why the huge difference in viewership?

Fengrush's stream is embedded into Alcasts site. Meaning. The amount of people currently visiting Alcast's site show up as viewers on Fengrush's stream.