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Enough with the nerfs.

iCaliban
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What happened to balancing with a chisel rather than a hammer? The leaked notes are a big *** hammer. Regardless of if your preferred play style ends up FOM or not, I think we can all agree that a 5 year old game does not need drastic changes patch after patch.
  • Turelus
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    I don't know, ESO has had balance issues for a long time.

    I'd rather take several sledgehammer blows and get a better basic shape before the chisel if it cuts off another few years of fine chisel work which isn't getting the job done.
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  • khajiitNPC
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    I was feeling the patch notes
  • crowfl56
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    Sorc pets have been a very big problem in this game.

    Fix, just make them a ( Criminal Act ) and its problem over.

    Nerf well really who cares ?

    Every class has gone through nerfs.

    Quit crying and have fun.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Those notes must be legit, since they are removing all the posts & locking forum threads containing link to them.

    Sad... just sad... :'(
  • satanio
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    It does need that, if you want the playerbase to feel that game is not becoming stale.
    Current public stam parses on Iron Atro so far (esologs)
    DW&Bow
    DW&2H
    2H&Bow
    Bow&Bow

    Current public mag parses on Iron Atro (esologs)
    (non cheese)
    ESOLEAKS CASUALTIES:
    Checkmath
    Tasear
    RIP
  • eso_lags
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    They wont give up blanket nerfs, they wont go for small incremental changes over time so that things can be tested further, and they wont balance pvp and pve separately. So you can expect the nerfs will continue. They do not learn.
  • Sanguinor2
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    iCaliban wrote: »
    What happened to balancing with a chisel rather than a hammer? The leaked notes are a big *** hammer. Regardless of if your preferred play style ends up FOM or not, I think we can all agree that a 5 year old game does not need drastic changes patch after patch.

    Zos balanced with the hammer for quite some time, chisel is Long gone assuming it existed at one Point in the first place.
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  • SirAndy
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    Sanguinor2 wrote: »
    iCaliban wrote: »
    What happened to balancing with a chisel rather than a hammer? The leaked notes are a big *** hammer. Regardless of if your preferred play style ends up FOM or not, I think we can all agree that a 5 year old game does not need drastic changes patch after patch.
    Zos balanced with the hammer for quite some time, chisel is Long gone assuming it existed at one Point in the first place.

    The chisel is a lie ....
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  • iCaliban
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    Turelus wrote: »
    I don't know, ESO has had balance issues for a long time.

    I'd rather take several sledgehammer blows and get a better basic shape before the chisel if it cuts off another few years of fine chisel work which isn't getting the job done.

    Im not sure what possible shape could be coming out of this. Obviously these are leaks w/o dev comment, and are probably not the last bit of tinkering that they are gonna do.

    As an example, what do you think the logical result of massive buffs to medium armor mobility and damage mitigation are gonna do when coupled with a draconian nerf to soul assault and ground aoes? And nerfs to mag healing? Pvp is already in a stam meta, might as well delete mag toons that cant snipe from 40+ meters away like sorc.

    I see the list of changes and it looks like a list of massive nerfs to everything the incredibly bad players on this forum whine about. Not like the well thought out process of a dev team with a vision
    Edited by iCaliban on July 6, 2019 9:40PM
  • Vlad9425
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    They seem to have a new team doing the balancing who haven't got a clue how to balance.
  • iCaliban
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    Vlad9425 wrote: »
    They seem to have a new team doing the balancing who haven't got a clue how to balance.

    I dont know what could possibly be the rationale behind nerfing ground aoes? Skills are already doing paltry damage, a great deal of player power comes from light attacks rather than skills and they want to push this FURTHER??
  • Chadak
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    Game developers possess many technical skills, but their entire profession revolves around meeting minimum requirements at minimum expense.

    They don't need to make something good or modify that something with finesse and minimal disruption to the customer. They could maliciously dump bottles of Mountain Dew on your head once a day, offer you a loot box as 'an apology' and most of you would be all "WOO, FREE MOUNTAIN DEW AND LOOT BOXES".

    I'm sorry, but most of you are so stupid that they don't have to make a good product or maintain a high level of quality in either the product or the delivery. Many of you'd play this for the next 3-12 months if they turned all of your characters neon pink, renamed them all 'HEMORRHOID FELCHER' and nerfed every class into the floor.

    Oh sure, many of you would cry, throw fits, unsubscribe and threaten all manner of calamity, but most of you have no follow-through even with the unsub threats. They know this.

    So why exactly would they go to all the trouble of behaving as though they should be concerned with minimizing the amount of disruption they cause to you when they can do almost anything, no matter how asinine, bizarre, ridiculous, poorly thought-out or completely nonsensical it is.

    You won't do anything about most of it, especially if you're invested. Sunk cost mentality will keep many of you glued to this or any game for months or even years even if you hate it and only play because you're so invested that you feel obligated to 'get your money's worth' somehow.

    They know that too.

    There is close to no incentive for game developers in the MMO space to try hard to make a quality product and maintenance schedule for that product. The executives above them only care about minimizing costs and maximizing profits no matter how that must be done, and it's always going to be cheaper to do the cheap, stupid thing and never fix or even acknowledge the collateral and cascade damage.

    Whether these hauntings of supposedly leaked patch notes has any merit of truth to it or not, MMO development is a con artist's profession in which their skills at lying, fact spinning and blatant misrepresentation are of infinitely greater value than actually delivering a quality product, and the sooner you understand this, the better off you'll be.


    Edited by Chadak on July 6, 2019 9:53PM
  • susmitds
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    There are no real nerfs if you look at the bigger picture, as there are tons of buffs as well. It is just a continuation of the major skill overhaul from U22
  • KillsAllElves
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    Is resistances getting nerfed? Or just pet nerfs?
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