Cloak..and an idea to make it 900% less fustrating to fight agsaint

notyuu · July 2019

Super simple, make it so that cloak does not remove the damage from dots

that and make the detection skills [skilled hunter/magelight] actually work agsaint it..and boom, cloak is notbly less fustrating to deal with

ATomiX96 · July 2019

And boom, cloak is useless.
They need to find some middle ground, like still taking damage from dots but only getting uncloaked when you get affected by AOE damage or specifically a detection ability.

Starlight_Knight · July 2019

And then we will be another step closer to homogenisation of classes.

darkblue5 · July 2019

Also that turns out to be impossible to code in ESO for no reasons. Years of broken Cloak whenever any damage over time ticked in Cloak. (Back when Shadowy Disguise was only for the purest of gankers...)

Also AOEs, Detect Pots, and just blocking whenever NB goes into cloak work...

Merlight · July 2019

Do you realize how much is 900%?

Royalthought · July 2019

Cloak probably has the most counters of any signature class ability in the game.

Perhaps its not the devs who need to make changes. Maybe its you.

What class are you playing that you struggle against it?

Phiathornsyldol · July 2019

Right , after they Nerf streak (not make it cost more , but make it absolutely useless, like cloak after your suggestion), after they Nerf heavy armor and snb, after they change the best skill of every other class , I will agree with the cloak nerf. Until that time just gerrarahere

idk · July 2019

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

Gnozo · July 2019

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2019

"Cloak..and an idea to make it 900% less fustrating to fight agsaint"
Answer: LTP (Sorry for saying that)

There is plenty of tools in game to get rid of cloak. Dedicated skills (like you mentioned: Magelight, Expert Hunter, yes those actually work. You have no idea how frustrating those can be for a NB when used right). Also, ANY AOE will work. On top of that you have Detect Pots, or even gear sets.

Those are just some tools you have. There way more in game but if I were to just type them, then my post would be a "wall of text".

Depending on your build, you may want to just slot a skill, use potions or use some AOE skill you will find most useful.

btw. NB is a weird in this aspect. You have a lot of tools to nullify all defences NB has. There is no other class in ESO that has this kind of weakness. I mean, you can't simply remove all healing Templar has, or all tankyness DK has, or all shields sorc has just by pressing button (skill or potion).

RavenSworn · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

dotme · July 2019

It used to be that the best way to hunt down a NB ganker in a keep was with a NB. Then for no apparent reason, ZOS stepped on Piercing Mark, dropping the "reveal" time from 30 seconds to 3 seconds.

One of dozens of examples recently of a drastic change where a slight change would have been sufficient.

When a NB would hide in a keep after it was taken, I used to really enjoy the challenge of hunting them on my own NB. It wasn't easy chasing, getting within range, and engaging - but with Piercing Mark lasting a half minute, it was at least possible to see them long enough to get within combat range.

Now it's useless. By the time you get close enough to engage, it's worn off and they're gone again. Between this change, and the nerf to so many NB skill lines, mostly all I feel now when I log in on my stamblade is disappointment.

idk · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

Expert Hunter and it’s morphs for starters.

Kuramas9tails · July 2019

How about you play a NB and use cloak and lets see how often cloak is reliable for you.

Or you can use the following:

Dragon Knight:

Fiery breath and it's morphs
Dark Talons and its morphs (doesn't pull them from stealth but you can hold them in place while they are in cloak and use the other moves)
Voltile Armor
Inhale and it's morphs
Eruption

Sorcerer:

Daedric curse and morphs
Defensive rune (for the gankers in cloak)
Daedric mines (if you place it right)
Lightning form and its morphs
Bolt Escape and its morphs

Templar:

Puncturing Swipes and its morphs
Spear Shards
Sun Fire (great for speed reduction)
Ritual of Retribution (when a NB stands in it, it pulls them out of cloak)

Nightblade

Mark Target and its morphs
Path of darkness (and morph that deals damage)
Aspect of terror
Drain power and its morphs

Misc:

Caltrops
That spin to win move in duel wield
Magelight
Magic Detonation (that stays on the NB player)
Revealing Flare
Detection pots
If you really want.....Wall of elements

TBH, I am not too familiar with the Warden and Necro to tell you what they use to pull NB out of cloak except the beetle move from Warden. I am also all magic builds expect my StamSorc so I probably missed some stam counters. Anyone can add or correct anything I listed but I listed all the things that I have used to pull NBs out of cloak and also what has pulled me out of cloak.

If you don't set yourself up for fighting back cloakers...then that is on you. Everyone has a certain amount of skills they can place on their bar and you can't counter EVERYTHING with ease. It takes experience and knowledge of other classes and builds to know what you can use to work on pressure points on the build. Even simply running your enemy out of resources is a counter (example: A Stambalde can only cloak so many times. Keep pulling them out and they will run out of Magicka to use on Cloak. If you face a Mageblade, they are a lot slower than Stamblades, especially since they got rid of the movement speed from some NB skills. Plus Mageblades don't have a lot of stamina so keep CC on them and you got em! So Stamblade -> Run their Magic out. Mageblades -> Run their Stamina out).

EDIT: I think that howl from the Werewolf can fear NB out of cloak. Someone correct me.

Gnozo · July 2019

RavenSworn wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Kel · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Sounds like excuses to me.
L2P

All the things listed are viable ways to reveal blades....."I don't want to do x thing or use y skill" is an excuse.
You've been given usable, viable ways to counter. Use them or get ganked...your choice.

Gnozo · July 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

How about you play a NB and use cloak and lets see how often cloak is reliable for you.

Or you can use the following:

Dragon Knight:
Fiery breath and it's morphs

Dark Talons and its morphs (doesn't pull them from stealth but you can hold them in place while they are in cloak and use the other moves)

Voltile Armor

Inhale and it's morphs

Eruption

Sorcerer:
Daedric curse and morphs

Defensive rune (for the gankers in cloak)

Daedric mines (if you place it right)

Lightning form and its morphs

Bolt Escape and its morphs

Templar:
Puncturing Swipes and its morphs

Spear Shards

Sun Fire (great for speed reduction)

Ritual of Retribution (when a NB stands in it, it pulls them out of cloak)

Nightblade
Mark Target and its morphs

Path of darkness (and morph that deals damage)

Aspect of terror

Drain power and its morphs

Misc:
Caltrops

That spin to win move in duel wield

Magelight

Magic Detonation (that stays on the NB player)

Revealing Flare

Detection pots

If you really want.....Wall of elements

TBH, I am not too familiar with the Warden and Necro to tell you what they use to pull NB out of cloak except the beetle move from Warden.

Anyone can add or correct anything I listed but I listed all the things that I have used to pull NBs out of cloak and also what has pulled me out of cloak. If you don't set yourself up for fighting back cloakers...then that is on you. Everyone has a certain amount of skills they can place on their bar and you can't counter EVERYTHING with ease. It takes experience and knowledge of other classes and builds to know what you can use to work on pressure points on the build. Even simply running your enemy out of resources is a counter (example: A Stambalde can only cloak so many times. Keep pulling them out and they will run out of Magicka to use on Cloak. if you face a Mageblade, they are a lot slower than Stamblades, especially since they got rid of the movement speed from some skills).

Like 80% If these skills are ONLY against cloak. While cloak is against everything. Thats not balance.

Nightblades use one skill to counter every dot, projectile and ofc being invisible.

I have then one skill against cloak wich is useless as soon as i Fight a non Nightblade.

That far from being balanced.

Van_Winkle · July 2019

Is this a joke? PvP is dying because of unkillable tanks and pet sorcs, and there is people who still cries about cloak?

master_vanargand · July 2019

The crying people should use AOE and POT.
You can use it to kill NB easily.

Kuramas9tails · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

How about you play a NB and use cloak and lets see how often cloak is reliable for you.

Or you can use the following:

Dragon Knight:
Fiery breath and it's morphs

Dark Talons and its morphs (doesn't pull them from stealth but you can hold them in place while they are in cloak and use the other moves)

Voltile Armor

Inhale and it's morphs

Eruption

Sorcerer:
Daedric curse and morphs

Defensive rune (for the gankers in cloak)

Daedric mines (if you place it right)

Lightning form and its morphs

Bolt Escape and its morphs

Templar:
Puncturing Swipes and its morphs

Spear Shards

Sun Fire (great for speed reduction)

Ritual of Retribution (when a NB stands in it, it pulls them out of cloak)

Nightblade
Mark Target and its morphs

Path of darkness (and morph that deals damage)

Aspect of terror

Drain power and its morphs

Misc:
Caltrops

That spin to win move in duel wield

Magelight

Magic Detonation (that stays on the NB player)

Revealing Flare

Detection pots

If you really want.....Wall of elements

TBH, I am not too familiar with the Warden and Necro to tell you what they use to pull NB out of cloak except the beetle move from Warden.

Anyone can add or correct anything I listed but I listed all the things that I have used to pull NBs out of cloak and also what has pulled me out of cloak. If you don't set yourself up for fighting back cloakers...then that is on you. Everyone has a certain amount of skills they can place on their bar and you can't counter EVERYTHING with ease. It takes experience and knowledge of other classes and builds to know what you can use to work on pressure points on the build. Even simply running your enemy out of resources is a counter (example: A Stambalde can only cloak so many times. Keep pulling them out and they will run out of Magicka to use on Cloak. if you face a Mageblade, they are a lot slower than Stamblades, especially since they got rid of the movement speed from some skills).

Like 80% If these skills are ONLY against cloak. While cloak is against everything. Thats not balance.

Nightblades use one skill to counter every dot, projectile and ofc being invisible.

I have then one skill against cloak wich is useless as soon as i Fight a non Nightblade.

That far from being balanced.

Cloak doesn't damage anyone......

Think of it as Nightblades version of a shield.

You know...

Dark assassins class. Go in and out of stealth. I hope you equally complain about the amount of resistance and shields Sorcs/Necros/Wardens/DKS have compared to NBs. Nor does a NB have a class instant burst heal like Templars/DKs/Necros/Wardens/Sorcs. I seen Twilights heal for more than breath of life. I highly doubt you took passives from classes into consideration.

Edit: And if you think ESO PVP will ever be balanced, you will forever be disappointed. That is why there is always a new META every patch.

Gnozo · July 2019

Kel wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Sounds like excuses to me.
L2P

All the things listed are viable ways to reveal blades....."I don't want to do x thing or use y skill" is an excuse.
You've been given usable, viable ways to counter. Use them or get ganked...your choice.

Thats not an excuse. Its basic understandment of balance.

To counter cloak i need to use skills that are mostly useless against any other class in the game. While cloak is usefull against everything.

I dont know what type of PvP experience you have but claiming expert hunter a viable counter to cloak is just pathetic. Range is to smal, cost way to high and it doesnt even reveal the Nightblade in 70% of the cast with the Nightblade in range.

To Balance cloak they should disable magicka regen and healing in cloak.

Gnozo · July 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

How about you play a NB and use cloak and lets see how often cloak is reliable for you.

Or you can use the following:

Dragon Knight:
Fiery breath and it's morphs

Dark Talons and its morphs (doesn't pull them from stealth but you can hold them in place while they are in cloak and use the other moves)

Voltile Armor

Inhale and it's morphs

Eruption

Sorcerer:
Daedric curse and morphs

Defensive rune (for the gankers in cloak)

Daedric mines (if you place it right)

Lightning form and its morphs

Bolt Escape and its morphs

Templar:
Puncturing Swipes and its morphs

Spear Shards

Sun Fire (great for speed reduction)

Ritual of Retribution (when a NB stands in it, it pulls them out of cloak)

Nightblade
Mark Target and its morphs

Path of darkness (and morph that deals damage)

Aspect of terror

Drain power and its morphs

Misc:
Caltrops

That spin to win move in duel wield

Magelight

Magic Detonation (that stays on the NB player)

Revealing Flare

Detection pots

If you really want.....Wall of elements

TBH, I am not too familiar with the Warden and Necro to tell you what they use to pull NB out of cloak except the beetle move from Warden.

Anyone can add or correct anything I listed but I listed all the things that I have used to pull NBs out of cloak and also what has pulled me out of cloak. If you don't set yourself up for fighting back cloakers...then that is on you. Everyone has a certain amount of skills they can place on their bar and you can't counter EVERYTHING with ease. It takes experience and knowledge of other classes and builds to know what you can use to work on pressure points on the build. Even simply running your enemy out of resources is a counter (example: A Stambalde can only cloak so many times. Keep pulling them out and they will run out of Magicka to use on Cloak. if you face a Mageblade, they are a lot slower than Stamblades, especially since they got rid of the movement speed from some skills).

Like 80% If these skills are ONLY against cloak. While cloak is against everything. Thats not balance.

Nightblades use one skill to counter every dot, projectile and ofc being invisible.

I have then one skill against cloak wich is useless as soon as i Fight a non Nightblade.

That far from being balanced.

Cloak doesn't damage anyone......

Think of it as Nightblades version of a shield.

You know...

Dark assassins class. Go in and out of stealth.

I accept cloak as a defensive and offensiv tool but its current version is just to strong with Zero downside of using it.

Similiar skills like streak or Mistform always have a downside. Streak gets increased cost and Mistform disables healing and magicka regen. Where is the downside to cloak? Cloak is just overloaded in its current state.

- invisible
- healing in cloak
- regen in cloak
- garantue crit for next attack/healing
- passivly proc armor buff

And being invisible gives you additional advantages. Pre buff, Reposition already charge heavy attack.

All this with 0 downside.... They should disable healing and magicka regen in cloak. Then i am fine.

Gnozo · July 2019

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Dark assassins class. Go in and out of stealth. I hope you equally complain about the amount of resistance and shields Sorcs/Necros/Wardens/DKS have compared to NBs. Nor does a NB have a class instant burst heal like Templars/DKs/Necros/Wardens/Sorcs. I seen Twilights heal for more than breath of life. I highly doubt you took passives from classes into consideration.

Edit: And if you think ESO PVP will ever be balanced, you will forever be disappointed. That is why there is always a new META every patch.

I dont know If you have read recent patchnotes but Nightblades are now the tank Meta tho.

Relentless focus giving 15% flat damage reduction.
Class access to major evasion + minor armor buff.
Single target minor Main
Minor protection with dark cloak.

Nightblades can get the most damage mitigation out of all classes. What are you talking about mate

Kuramas9tails · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

How about you play a NB and use cloak and lets see how often cloak is reliable for you.

Or you can use the following:

Dragon Knight:
Fiery breath and it's morphs

Dark Talons and its morphs (doesn't pull them from stealth but you can hold them in place while they are in cloak and use the other moves)

Voltile Armor

Inhale and it's morphs

Eruption

Sorcerer:
Daedric curse and morphs

Defensive rune (for the gankers in cloak)

Daedric mines (if you place it right)

Lightning form and its morphs

Bolt Escape and its morphs

Templar:
Puncturing Swipes and its morphs

Spear Shards

Sun Fire (great for speed reduction)

Ritual of Retribution (when a NB stands in it, it pulls them out of cloak)

Nightblade
Mark Target and its morphs

Path of darkness (and morph that deals damage)

Aspect of terror

Drain power and its morphs

Misc:
Caltrops

That spin to win move in duel wield

Magelight

Magic Detonation (that stays on the NB player)

Revealing Flare

Detection pots

If you really want.....Wall of elements

TBH, I am not too familiar with the Warden and Necro to tell you what they use to pull NB out of cloak except the beetle move from Warden.

Anyone can add or correct anything I listed but I listed all the things that I have used to pull NBs out of cloak and also what has pulled me out of cloak. If you don't set yourself up for fighting back cloakers...then that is on you. Everyone has a certain amount of skills they can place on their bar and you can't counter EVERYTHING with ease. It takes experience and knowledge of other classes and builds to know what you can use to work on pressure points on the build. Even simply running your enemy out of resources is a counter (example: A Stambalde can only cloak so many times. Keep pulling them out and they will run out of Magicka to use on Cloak. if you face a Mageblade, they are a lot slower than Stamblades, especially since they got rid of the movement speed from some skills).

Like 80% If these skills are ONLY against cloak. While cloak is against everything. Thats not balance.

Nightblades use one skill to counter every dot, projectile and ofc being invisible.

I have then one skill against cloak wich is useless as soon as i Fight a non Nightblade.

That far from being balanced.

Cloak doesn't damage anyone......

Think of it as Nightblades version of a shield.

You know...

Dark assassins class. Go in and out of stealth.

I accept cloak as a defensive and offensiv tool but its current version is just to strong with Zero downside of using it.

Similiar skills like streak or Mistform always have a downside. Streak gets increased cost and Mistform disables healing and magicka regen. Where is the downside to cloak? Cloak is just overloaded in its current state.

- invisible
- healing in cloak
- regen in cloak
- garantue crit for next attack/healing
- passivly proc armor buff

And being invisible gives you additional advantages. Pre buff, Reposition already charge heavy attack.

All this with 0 downside.... They should disable healing and magicka regen in cloak. Then i am fine.

Re-read my edited comment. NB's don't have a burst heal. They are all HOTs. They NEED to shield/cloak for the equal amount of healing any other class has access to in one second while NBs have to wait seconds for that same amount of healing PLUS the other classes have access to HOTs on top of burst healing. That IS the downside and it IS what makes it balanced. Well, kind of. You can stop cloak. We can't stop burst healing. So maybe Cloak is unbalanced as in we are pulled out of stealth before we can get the same amount of healing any other class has access to burst healing.

BUFF CLOAK OR GIVE NB'S A BURST HEAL!

Edit: Just wanted to make sure people know, I am kidding on buffing cloak and/or adding a burst heal. NBs are fine in that regards imo with tri-pots available.

Vietfox · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Sounds like excuses to me.
L2P

All the things listed are viable ways to reveal blades....."I don't want to do x thing or use y skill" is an excuse.
You've been given usable, viable ways to counter. Use them or get ganked...your choice.

Thats not an excuse. Its basic understandment of balance.

To counter cloak i need to use skills that are mostly useless against any other class in the game. While cloak is usefull against everything.

I dont know what type of PvP experience you have but claiming expert hunter a viable counter to cloak is just pathetic. Range is to smal, cost way to high and it doesnt even reveal the Nightblade in 70% of the cast with the Nightblade in range.

To Balance cloak they should disable magicka regen and healing in cloak.

This is just dumb.
Inner light and Expert hunter increase your crit rate by a lot + you get nice passives from them, i wouldn't call that useless.
If cloak was truly op nightblades wouldn't invest so much on resistances, yet they do. You get it now?

TequilaFire · July 2019

Load of hogwash.

master_vanargand · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

RavenSworn wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

idk wrote: »

I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Sounds like excuses to me.
L2P

All the things listed are viable ways to reveal blades....."I don't want to do x thing or use y skill" is an excuse.
You've been given usable, viable ways to counter. Use them or get ganked...your choice.

Thats not an excuse. Its basic understandment of balance.

To counter cloak i need to use skills that are mostly useless against any other class in the game. While cloak is usefull against everything.

I dont know what type of PvP experience you have but claiming expert hunter a viable counter to cloak is just pathetic. Range is to smal, cost way to high and it doesnt even reveal the Nightblade in 70% of the cast with the Nightblade in range.

To Balance cloak they should disable magicka regen and healing in cloak.

AOE can not roll dodge.
And many enemies in PvP.
So AOE is important.

akray21 · July 2019

Being a NB main from release up until before this patch I think they need to increase the duration and add a cooldown on cloak. Make it last ~5 seconds and with a ~5 second cooldown. I know this won't happen because ZOS has something against cooldowns even though they are a great way to balance certain abilities.

Sylosi · July 2019

Anyone whose understanding of balance and game design concepts such as risk vs reward is so lacking that they think invisibility of any kind is balanced in Cyrodil then well, they are basically clueless.

But then at the same time anyone who is expecting skilled, well balanced PvP in a themepark MMORPG where the number of players bothered about PvP is negligible and the main PvP game mode has been open world(ish), is also clueless.

Kel · July 2019

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I still don’t understand these threads as the counters to cloak work well. Use counters properly and your DoTs keep doing damage.

What are my counters on stamina warden?

expert hunter / camouflage hunter.

potions.

aoe, aka spin to win.

block.

also, theres immovable.

Expert hunter is only usefull against cloak and to get weapon crit there is a better skill called Green Lotus. So why i should use a skill wich is only good (in theory) against one other skill while cloak is good against nearly everything? Thats not balance at all.

Potions come with a huge cooldown and i need to drop some other important Ressources i could get from that potion. While cloak doesnt have cooldown.... Not viable.

Only spammable skill is steel Tornado. What If i dont want to use DW? Should i switch to another weapon set only to deal with cloaking cowards? While cloak is not tied to any weapon or armor nox Type? Balance my friend. Balance.

Block wont reveal the Nightblade that is waiting in cloak until i am tired, drop block and move on. The He comes fully pre buffed and ganks me.

You mean immovable potions? That give like 12 seconds immunity with 40+ seconds cooldown? Or the heavy armor skill? I think i shouldnt explain to you why this skill is Trash.

Sounds like excuses to me.
L2P

All the things listed are viable ways to reveal blades....."I don't want to do x thing or use y skill" is an excuse.
You've been given usable, viable ways to counter. Use them or get ganked...your choice.

Thats not an excuse. Its basic understandment of balance.

To counter cloak i need to use skills that are mostly useless against any other class in the game. While cloak is usefull against everything.

I dont know what type of PvP experience you have but claiming expert hunter a viable counter to cloak is just pathetic. Range is to smal, cost way to high and it doesnt even reveal the Nightblade in 70% of the cast with the Nightblade in range.

To Balance cloak they should disable magicka regen and healing in cloak.

This is the first I've heard that Shalks, Whirling Blades, and Caltrops are useless against other classes.....🙄🤭

Seriously, L2P...

Who uses caltrops? Okay zerglings do....

Shalks have 3 Seconds delay, guess where the Nightblade is then. Good luck.

And whirling blades force me to go dw.

You keep saying l2p. I really hope you are on PC EU so i can show you how i can play. Forumtard.

Excuses are for losers crying about nerfs.
......

Get ganked

Ecfigies · July 2019

And boom, you've more heavyblades.