Well the new crates are out...
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✭✭I really hope that lootbox law comes through sooner than later so this virtual casino BS gets shutdown and ZOS actually has to try to make a good game instead of just relying on whales to spend hundreds of dollars whenever a new crown crate season launches.
Pat yourself on the shoulder when you get that reskinned apex mount after spending 150$ on the new season of crown crates and do it again in 3 months, because thats the only consistent thing ZOS can do, push new seasons of crown crates.
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✭✭✭✭✭I've finally bought few items from Legendary and lower categories
...And as we're stuck with these crates for another ~3 months, I've decided to spend some more gems
:'(
I've made a showcase video for Baandari Pedlar Senche-Lion mount
https://youtu.be/jNGDKz6Ory4
You can see all movement and hear all sounds of this mount, so you can decide if it's worth buying.
In my opinion, it's the absolute worst Apex effect we've ever had so far :'( I know I've said it already about Hollowjack and Dragonscale Apexes... but this time, it's much worse.
It has no summoning animation. It has no special effect at all, except for glowing compass in the rider's hand. When it roars, there is no additional effect at all - the rider just raises the compass in the air
And it has the voice of ordinary lion mount (well, at least it's loud, unlike Indigo senche who uses voice of ordinary senche).
I've also made showcase video for Blazeborn Senche-Lion mount:
https://youtu.be/Vtlr1N2LJoc
As always, you will see all movement and hear all sounds which it makes
I like fiery roar effect and armor... Well, that's really it
It has summoning animation, it leaves paw-prints. It has decent effect during the roar.
But it doesn't emit any light, even though after reading it's description, I expected this creature to light the darkest night :'(
It doesn't leave any special trail or gain any special long-lasting aura after the roar - just fiery explosion.
It has, again, the voice of ordinary lion.
And it costs 600 gems - too high price for another example of not excellent quality (additionally to all said above, the texture on this senche's body is not great, and it has some gray areas on rear legs and under the tail)
I have to admit, it looks just right in the lava
Tbh, this all looks like a very bad sign, sign that bethesda is giving up on ESO and shifting ZOS to other projects and desperately selling all they can sell. Not that they gonna shut down game any time in nearest years ofc, but obviously their priority and a lot of resources were moved somewhere else.
I just looked at those mounts at preview and compare it to my frostbane senche... so much love and detail put in senche and there is notable difference between frostbane mounts.. and in case of baandari it's the same design put on everything. Tbh, I liked only guar and wolf, if I bought crates and horse, cat or camel dropped, I'll never use them.1 -
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✭I'm confused. Where are the pets that match the Apex mounts? I picked up one in the free preview crate for these crates, so how are they not in the new crates?5 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »rotaugen454 wrote: »My wife and son are taking a vacation trip to Europe while I keep working and care for our small zoo of pets, so I can spend a hundred or two on crowns for myself.
This is why zos does not hear us when it comes to performance issues ....I'm starting to get fed up of forums. I dont understand how people can be so exited over cosmetics and keep spending their cash on this trash heap of code
Hey If you enjoy the game then just have fun I know my self I have spent a little over $5000 over the last 5 years of this game and just spent $250 today because I enjoy the game even with everything wrong with it I still play it so why be upset with people who spend there own money it's not like it's your money
Do I really need to elaborate?
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✭New crates are out.
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That dwarven spider looks cool. Everything else is "meh" or "ewww !". Knowing my luck with the crates, I know I need an average of 49 crates to get an apex mount, and not because I get the one I care about, because 49 crates gives me enough gems to buy that mount.
Considering that I'm pretty mad at ZOS right now, for the staggering amount of unfixed bugs that keep accumulating, the lazy Rimmen Necropolis that wasn't even itemised, and their deafening silence about those issues, I'm not going to spend a dime on those crates. Or anything else.
Too bad, that dwarven spider looks cool.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I got the 4-pack because I don't like any of the mounts this season, but I had some gems saved up, and spent them on a few items, among which, the Kata emotes, which are beautiful. I don't RP, so I don't have much use for emotes usually, but these look really cool; I had to raise my graphics to take a few screenshots of my characters practicing them 1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭you know for all my defense of buying crates and I do still stand by it... personaly... i give up. its gotten to a point where rng is so bad for my that its just not worth it.
I'm ok with getting stuff that's not great and than just buying what i want with gems. but the last 3 crate seasons - i've been mostly getting cheap (40 and 16 gem category) repeatables so not even getting all that many gems to spend. maybe my account is cursed. i don't know. but its kinda killing my enjoyment of shinies, so ZoS.... I think this might just be the last time I buy any crates. with crown gifting OR my own crowns. it didn't used to be that bad. used to be i'd get at least a few 100-200 gem category items in a pack of 15, so it would balance out cheap items. and yes. yes. i know random drops are random. doesn't change that my random is no longer worth it.
/end rant.dirty worthless casual.
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Ashdroid✭✭✭I had just enough crown gems to buy the one thing that interested me: the play esraj emote.Pocketable Goods Reallocation Specialist
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Erm, he literally never said that. Stop putting words in his mouth and then getting offended over what he didn't even say
Oh shut up. If someone doesn’t engage with any of the many systems besides solo questing, they’re not even remotely a good indicator of game performancebarney2525 wrote: »ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
No different than me buying clothes.
You're trapped in a virtual world and run like trash?
I could be wrong, but I think they are saying everything has an expiration date, regardless if it is a virtual item or a physical one. So yes, believe it or not there are tons of people who place a value on cosmetics that they will someday never have access to again. We are concerned with enjoying the content today, not what will happen to that content most likely years down the road.
Not that hard to understand.
Edit- the game doesn't run like trash for everyone, keep that in mind when criticizing why someone else does something you don't understand.
The game runs like trash for anyone actually playing it, not the casual quest-only, solo-only, no PvP, no real PvE players. Except the main questline is still bugged out, and daily quests still have bugs, and quest enemies still phase in an out, and the quest mobs still rubberband and prevent looting.
This isn’t about “looking down on someone’s purchases”, it’s about people knowingly supporting a game that has yet to provide decent communication about the immense about of problems that are occurring in their game, much less do anything to fix those glaringly awful issues.
No, the game doesn't run like trash for everyone who is playing. But let's continue to trash players for supporting a game that works for them anyway.
"For anyone actually playing it". If you're a casual player, solo player, no pvp player your not a real pve player. How rude. Not surprised, this board is all doom and gloom full of individuals who look down on anyone who doesn't have the same experience.
You’re the one claiming the game is fine when anyone past casual quester is facing gamebreaking issues He didn't say the game was fine, he said the game might be running all right for many players. I logged in today for 10 minutes in my house, then logged off again. And I can confirm that the game was working fine for me and didn't have any performance issues.
Does that mean that other players weren't having serious performance issues at the every same time I was doing fine? No. Does Sevn claim that the game as such is in a good state regarding performance? No. Does the existence of parts of the game that work mean that the parts that don't work don't exist or aren't relevant issue? No. Nobody said that. However, to expect that all players should limit their normal game choices when the game works for their playstyle, just because the game doesn't work for you for your playstyles is still not okay, and it's especially not okay to bully/shame them for enjoying the game.6 -
Angi✭✭✭Everyone is free to spend money on crown crates,not matter wich reason he/she has ,is not my money ,is theirs ,and he/she does not need to explain why does it... however ,it is a problem for people like me who feel server problems that ruin my experience is this game because i don't feel anythin truly gets fixed or improved (the loggin issue of few days ago is a little example), basically i feel like you are feeding the wallets of people who does not really deserve it.
The content of the Loot boxes itself is not harmful (costumes... mounts.. ) ,are the loot boxes itselves the issue, an issue that is happenin on more videogames aswell, companies try to find a way to milk the money of their customers in any way they can ,and when it comes with not fixin gameplay related issues in their games is normal that the people sufferin this issues gets angry...
We got decades ago the DLCs in videogames, some are great, but others are just companies sellin uncompleted games and adding the rest by making you pay more, and that became an issue cause is clearly unfair for the customer, and now, the loot boxes are just representing the same ,the crown crates represent this,and seein customers supporting this its ironic as sad... is not only about Elder Scrolls Online.. is about game industry in general.. cause this won't end here,in future we will have another stuff representing this...
Anyway ,this is just my opinion ,valid as any other ,as i said you are free (thanks god) to spend money how you want however and again ,in my opinion , doing it in this way goes against us as customers of videogames.
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✭✭✭Over all I though these and the previous crates were pretty weak.
There are a few good items, the moons and whispering claw emotes, the compass furniture item, senche kitten and prong eared cat.
Good returning items like raz pet and queens eye outfit.
The radiant and apex mounts feel a little lack luster. Legendary rewards too aside from the above mentioned items.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Over all I though these and the previous crates were pretty weak.
There are a few good items, the moons and whispering claw emotes, the compass furniture item, senche kitten and prong eared cat.
Good returning items like raz pet and queens eye outfit.
The radiant and apex mounts feel a little lack luster. Legendary rewards too aside from the above mentioned items.
And don't forget yesterday's crab from crown store put in a crate as 100 gem legendary! Best deal!3 -
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✭cool items, it nicely compensated july's lackluster crown store items
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Oliwaltony✭✭✭Tbh, 15 first crates were only blue craps, not a single purple or gold drop. 50 bucks down the toilet. It had been litteraply months since the last time I actually bought crowns, this time they lost me for good. I used to spend 120-160/ months in crowns, but the content is crapier and crapier, so I use my gold when I really want something now. Way to go ZOS x)4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I mean when I look at all those crate mounts... where is the creativity? They are so boring, all of them. We don’t get good in game rewards either, everything looks so bland, boring and uninspired these days, even the Apex and Radiant Apex mounts. It’s like you can directly witness the creativity drain even ESOs art / crown store team is suffering.Edited by Seraphayel on July 3, 2019 11:15PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -3 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
do you ever go out to eat? by takeout food not for basic sustenance, but as a treat? or better yet, ever go to a movie theater? its the same idea. none of those things last, they are temporary pleasures, but they are fun while you are enjoying them.
don't get me wrong - performance IS an issue that needs to be fixed. but for a lot of people enjoying the shinies, the most glaring issues with performance, don't really affect them as much. at least when enjoying aforementioned shinies.
This is a fighting game right? By that I mean we dont level by changing mounts or gear correct?
We run around and kill stuff to gain xp/ap.
No disrespect meant but if you wanna play dress up with barbies please go play another game.
We shouldn't be dying from trash because they dont render or my skills aren't firing. Defend them if you want but pushing out more crap while a huge chunk of the population is experiencing performance issues is ridiculous and plain wrong.
They are alienating their loyal customers to make a quick buck.
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✭I feel like the content n the crates just gets more meh and meh by every season that goes. A lot of the rewards in the current one is just recycled. Like, look at that poor dusky fennec fox that we got in login rewards.5 -
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That's just wrong. People who spend money on the Crown Store don't need to 'go play another game.' In fact we wouldn't even have a game to play without them. So you can thank them for ESO's continued existence. You're welcome.
This is a fighting game right? By that I mean we dont level by changing mounts or gear correct?ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
do you ever go out to eat? by takeout food not for basic sustenance, but as a treat? or better yet, ever go to a movie theater? its the same idea. none of those things last, they are temporary pleasures, but they are fun while you are enjoying them.
don't get me wrong - performance IS an issue that needs to be fixed. but for a lot of people enjoying the shinies, the most glaring issues with performance, don't really affect them as much. at least when enjoying aforementioned shinies.
We run around and kill stuff to gain xp/ap.
No disrespect meant but if you wanna play dress up with barbies please go play another game.
We shouldn't be dying from trash because they dont render or my skills aren't firing. Defend them if you want but pushing out more crap while a huge chunk of the population is experiencing performance issues is ridiculous and plain wrong.
They are alienating their loyal customers to make a quick buck.
The game didn't have enough subs to stay afloat even when a subscription was required to do any content at all. Do you think the subscription money alone is enough to keep the game afloat now when people can do 80% of the game for free? No. The 'dress up with barbies' and other crown store purchases are the only reason the game hasn't shut down yet. So the players that you people apparently look down on for being what's wrong with the game or whatever are in fact the only reason ZOS still keeps the game alive and keeps making updates for it.
Do you think that without the Crown Store, and without people to spend money on it, the game would be better off? That performance would improve? Lol no, they'd just cut support for it all the sooner. Without the Crown Store there'd be nothing extra for people to spend money on - other than a sub which players either get while many don't since we have the option to f2p - so ESO's revenue would plummet. Its earnings potential would be reduced, and with so many issues it would take far more money to fix them than it could generate without the store.
Also, ESO is not a 'fighting game', it's an RPG. Character customization is part of an RPG, and 'running around and killing stuff for xp' vastly mischaracterizes ESO which has immense single player story content that is entirely level-agnostic. You want to see a 'fighting game' check our FPS or MOBA games - and even then you'd be hard pressed to find one without cosmetics.
Nobody is saying that we should be dying from lag. Or that we shouldn't be able to log in after every maintenance. Literally nobody is saying that. Nobody is defending ZOS's issues with their servers and their game performance, and even they are aware of it and constantly reiterate that yes, they are working on the LFG fix, that performance fixes are planned for Q4, that they are trying to fix the guild issues that arose, etc. But to expect players to not spend any money on cosmetics until the game is free of all performance bugs is delusional. With so many people unsubbing because of the performance, the continued income that ZOS get from the store is how they can generate money for paying all the dev time and technical upgrades that need to go towards fixing these issues in the first place.
I'm not into companion pets for example because I consider them useless, but I can sure as hell appreciate people who are into them and spend more money because it bumps up ESO up on the quarterly revenue reports so that the company may actually consider it wothwhile to continue investing in the game instead of declaring it unsalvagable and unprofitable that it needs to have the plug pulled on it. Do I wish performance was better? Hell yes. It's been exceptionally trash ever since Elsweyr. Do I wish they would put less items in the Crown Store? Sure. Do players who buy cosmetics deserve bashing for spending their money and betraying the playerbase by feeding uncaring profiteering devs? No. We should all be glad that the game can keep the lights on even with such issues instead of shutting down as an unplayable failure that's not worth it to the publisher.15 -
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✭rotaugen454 wrote: »My wife and son are taking a vacation trip to Europe while I keep working and care for our small zoo of pets, so I can spend a hundred or two on crowns for myself.
This is why zos does not hear us when it comes to performance issues ....I'm starting to get fed up of forums. I dont understand how people can be so exited over cosmetics and keep spending their cash on this trash heap of code
I don't understand...how people I don't know and will never know and don't want to know... try to dictate how to spend MY money...14 -
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✭✭I’m done with the crown store they can keep those crates!Edited by JumpmanLane on July 4, 2019 12:41AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭That indigo senche leopard is just wow...
I actually got that, didn't even want it. It does look cool, not sure what guy i'd use it on though.-- @xaraan --
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✭✭✭✭✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
do you ever go out to eat? by takeout food not for basic sustenance, but as a treat? or better yet, ever go to a movie theater? its the same idea. none of those things last, they are temporary pleasures, but they are fun while you are enjoying them.
don't get me wrong - performance IS an issue that needs to be fixed. but for a lot of people enjoying the shinies, the most glaring issues with performance, don't really affect them as much. at least when enjoying aforementioned shinies.
This is a fighting game right? By that I mean we dont level by changing mounts or gear correct?
We run around and kill stuff to gain xp/ap.
No disrespect meant but if you wanna play dress up with barbies please go play another game.
We shouldn't be dying from trash because they dont render or my skills aren't firing. Defend them if you want but pushing out more crap while a huge chunk of the population is experiencing performance issues is ridiculous and plain wrong.
They are alienating their loyal customers to make a quick buck.
different people work on crown store stuff vs performance stuff. and bear in mind - I specificaly said that performance issues are valid and need to be fixed.
however. 1. this is an rpg. and part of rpg is customizing your characters APPEARANCE.
2. most of the time in overworld - performance issues are minimal. they exist. but they are minimal.
and again, i'm not defending performance issues. they are a serious problem. problem with group finder is why i haven;t been pugging as much. problems with battlegrounds specifically is why we had entire event canceled and THAT is a huge issue.
i'm merely explaining why some people STILL ENJOY THE SHINIES. becasue they are minimaly affected and are STILL HAVING FUN PLAYING AN RPG IN AN RPG WAY.
thank you for coming to my tedtalk.dirty worthless casual.
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I don't disagree that the gaming industry has become greedy. But this discussion has nothing to do with gambling or defending lootboxes. If someone spent 10k crowns on direct purchases of shiny ponies people would have the same issue of 'how dare you spend money on something you're interested in while parts of the game that I'm inderested in don't work'. It would still be the same complaint of 'omg you shouldn't throw money at a broken game'. And it would still be ridiculous.MartiniDaniels wrote: »
You won't believe but gaming exists outside of few dozens of AAA games everybody is buzzing around. Just open Steam and look. About obvious examples - Starcraft. I bet it will still be played when ESO will be shut-down. About maintenance costs of servers which service to millions of subscribers.. it is high, but not that high. I worked in mobile networks for 10 years, average pay per user was like half of ESO sub, but amount of infrastructure is colossal in comparison to ESO's as well as number of personnel. 40k personnel, up to 50k physical sites with equipment, hundreds of servers and all that was payed off with half of ESO sub and remained highly profitable and allowed to replace all equipment including god damn servers each 2-3 years. Yeah number of subs was like 150 mil, but if you divide that number of servers in 15 times it still be much more hardware then 4 "megaservers".
Perhaps because they're old and require the server capacity of a potato? No idea which games you mean but I'm pretty sure that there are an equal number of examples that got shut down in the meantime because they weren't generating enough revenue, or had to shift from a sub-based game to a micro-transaction-driven one.MartiniDaniels wrote: »^ Just wondering how all those dozens of old multiplayer games without crown stores are still alive and kicking with a very modest purchase price.
I think gaming industry just became to greedy, and they became greedy exploiting god damn gambling of loot boxes. Idk why you are protecting this.
And it's funny that you should mention gaming outside of AAA games then bring up... Starcraft It's also doubtful that keeping a 20-year-old RTS running involves the same load as a freaking 5-year-old MMO. Show me current MMOs that are buy to play like ESO and manage to live off of subs without microtransactions. And sure, if that model works out for someone ZOS should look into it and adopt that. But come on. There is also a huge difference between just keeping a server running and paying for constant content updates.
Yes, but those updates are not free. Overall server maintenance costs are very small in comparison to salaries, fees and so on. So I can agree that crown store/DLC are necessary for ESO to be profitable enough so it receives at least some attention from ZOS and investors. But this is because everybody expects huge profits, mediocre profit is no longer good enough.
Good model: create new quality content, extend capacity, make profit from small payments of tons of dedicated players
Bad model: create new flashy content (cats, cats, cats!!!), don't improve capacity, rotate players (i.e. push off veterans and invite more newbies), receive profit from new whales
Now let's look at Blizzard and amount of money they made from WoW and OW. Do you think if WoW was released today in it's current state, they reached same profits? No, they are still milking ton of money from dedicated players.
Will OW become such a tremendous success at launch if not for the Blizzard's reputation? No. A lot of people started playing it, even those who didn't played FPS or team FPS before.
And now will ESO have so many players if there wasn't Skyrim/Morrowind? No.
So bad model is just quick buck, reputation breach and road to nowhere. But obviously Bethesda/Zeni management is not stupid, if they selected bad model, they simply don't see point to invest in ESO, game will roll down the hill, if they won't change their minds.1 -
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