I try to teach unless its really a lost cause.

I teach only if I see that people are willing to learn. Otherwise I leave.

New or unskilled I teach salty gets kicked.

I will try to teach but i will probably talk trash the whole time. One time I had a cp20 who joined a vet dungeon. We completed it but I filled his ear with trash talk.

I main a tank:

Depends on the group and how much time I have:

-If its just one player, its fairly easy to carry them give them a basic run through of the mechanics.

-If the group is just new to the dungeon, eg: had a group recently that had not done Scalecaller before, but were highish CP level, took them through the basics of each fights mechanics. Cleared the dungeon fairly easily since they were willing to listen to the advice.

-If you get an idiot that's like "DON"T TELL ME HOW TO PLAY MY GAME" they get kicked fairly quickly unless its those rare cases where that individual has the crown, in that situation the group either tough's if out or all leaves, sometimes I am nice and reform group with the other group members.

-If I get 2 low damage DPS in a DLC dungeon or a 2 version base dungeon(by low I mean struggles to kill the trash mobs on the way to the boss, in a short amount of time) In that situation, the healer usually beats me by leaving first, making me feel bad about leaving as well, sometimes I stick it out and do the dungeon with them provided they handled the mechanics properly during the boss fights, if they still struggle at that point I leave.


Other than that if I simply don't have the time to spend an hour or more in the dungeon or am having a bad day and the group's performance looks like its going to take that long I leave and try again the next day if its a pledge.

I get some are there to have fun and some consider it fun to wipe over and over and finally beat the dungeon, in vet I can understand that attitude but not in a normal dungeon.

A lot of people kinder than me in here that's all I'll say....

i carry

I teach as good as I can. I don't mind people who are unfamiliar with the mechanics or who are lacking dps, because the dungeons are mostly designed so that the group is still able to finish them somehow. Might take a minute or two, but hey, we've all been there before.

However, there are two situations where I /votekick, regardless wheter or not he/she is a noob.

1. faking a tank or a healer
I know people usually say it doesn't matter and you can still do it, but I just think it's unfair to bypas the waiting queue by flagging as tank.

2. maniacs
When a group member is just running through the mobs like Charles Manson, pulling everything and not giving a damn about thee rest of the group, it's an instant kick. Oddly enough, this kind of behaviour seems to be popular at around 250-350 CP. I've have never seen low CP people do this and only very few max CP folks.

I try my best to teach mechanics to people, especially when someone mentions having never done <insert dungeon name here> before. Sometimes there's no wipes on any given boss, sometimes the group can't complete the content for whatever reason. There's been times where people have apologized for what they perceive as being bad after a few wipes and offer to drop group, but after convincing them to try a few more times we get through it.

I've only ever had to kick someone maybe two or three times, and generally those people where CLEARLY not listening or only wanted a carry. I remember doing SCP a while back, farming for Jorvuld's, stuff, with a few friends. Got a random DPS as the second one, and he'd hide during combat other than to spam light attacks and I think it was the occasional Dark Flare. When we got to the Gargoyle boss we kept wiping because instead of freeing anyone who got turned to stone, they were too busy hiding in a corner. They also weren't taking down the orbs as they spawned. Eventually we kicked the guy, got a new DPS, and it was fine from there. And it's not because *I* was doing bad damage; while it's not end raid numbers, I consistently hit 30-35k DPS, which is more than enough for any normal dungeon.

Another example, a friend of mine and me were trying to do vFH several months ago because she wanted the stuff that came with doing it. This was before Domihaus was nerfed, and we were both DPS. Two other people we were running with had to drop, so we ended up with a different tank and healer than the other guildies we started the run with. The healer was like 1.1k CP or something along those lines, but clearly had no idea what they were doing. Standing in the red, rezzing into AoE and dying instantly instead of waiting, barely healing, not buffing or debuffing, standing in place...we both tried explaining several times the mechanics and everything, but there was no way we could do it without a competent healer, so we eventually gave up after several very frustrating hours (we'd done vBRF that same night and it murdered us even before trying vFH). Thankfully when we tried again a few days later we got through it, though we still spent a while on Domihaus.

Point is, I've found it waaaaaay more often that just being patient and explaining mechanics will often be enough to get a group through most content, even some of the harder stuff. Will there be times when you get people who simply can't get through something, whether it's by choice or just lack of skill? Of course you will, there's thousands of people playing this game. But most of the time not wanting to rush through a dungeon in 15 minutes and remembering that even you were a clueless newb at some point goes a long way. Sure, no one is obligated or has to take a few minutes to teach mechanics, but if you honestly think you 'don't have time' to help fellow players, then maybe you should run premade groups with people who don't need to have things explained to them. If you honestly try and they either don't listen or can't get it, sure, do what you will, but don't just give up on others in five minutes and kick them or bail out of the group.

You see people here complaining all the time about fake tanks or low DPS, yet so many people are so quick to leave groups or boot people. How can you expect anyone to actually learn if no one's willing to teach?

I usually try to teach first, if the person is non responsive then I vote to kick them or leave.

Nestor wrote: »

I teach until they quit listening. Then I leave if they don't try.

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Do I have to type or do they get into discord?If it's through typing no way.I'm not writing a book for it to be utterly ignored.