Necromancer almost impossible
Thicclady
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Hello
I played stamina necromancer, and its almost impossible to play. Stamina rotation is TOO HARD! Stamina DK rotation which was hardest before is easy compared.
It should be simplified, of course so, that you do decent dps with easier rotation and very good with hard rotation, but now choices are very good and very low dps depending how good player you are.
Basically its useless for medium level players if wanna do any decent dps and not good. More importantly its not FUN at all to do dps with it, I challenge anyone to do rotation
without looking at action buttos constantly.
I played stamina necromancer, and its almost impossible to play. Stamina rotation is TOO HARD! Stamina DK rotation which was hardest before is easy compared.
It should be simplified, of course so, that you do decent dps with easier rotation and very good with hard rotation, but now choices are very good and very low dps depending how good player you are.
Basically its useless for medium level players if wanna do any decent dps and not good. More importantly its not FUN at all to do dps with it, I challenge anyone to do rotation
without looking at action buttos constantly.
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I never thought I'd say this, but here goes....
Three words.... learn to play.
I have a stamnecro and have no problem completing any content, pledge, or PvP. If the game was any easier, we'd be playing it on our phones. ESO is already dumbed down enough, it doesn't need to be simplified anymore."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."12 -
Thicclady✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I never thought I'd say this, but here goes....
Three words.... learn to play.
I have a stamnecro and have no problem completing any content, pledge, or PvP. If the game was any easier, we'd be playing it on our phones. ESO is already dumbed down enough, it doesn't need to be simplified anymore.
Of course all trivial content can be done with 20k dps, im talking about raiding level now0 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to beEdited by xMovingTarget on July 2, 2019 5:18PM2 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alright dude. It’s like this.
Light attack between every skill.
Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 skills.8 -
Thicclady✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.kylewwefan wrote: »Alright dude. It’s like this.
Light attack between every skill.
Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 more skills. Blastbones. 2 skills.
Actually, that is best explanation I heard of the rotation, could of used that when I started necro. But when you have 8 dots/buffs with counter, it makes no sense anymore and the funness is off. I guess Im trying to say, there is no spammable, one/two skull/rotation doesnt make it spammable.
Maybe answer would be, raise blastbones damage, but make travel time 5 sec0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly I’m not mocking you. The warden is same way with sub assault. Pretty much once you finally get all your back bar dots out, endless, trap, caltrops, poison inject, archer......then you finally get to light attack weave the flaming skull and then start over.2 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I get what the OP is saying. For me, Necro has to be the most frustrating PVE dps class I've played in high movement/mechanic boss fights. My advice just say no to the tethers. I'll get so distracted finding and lining up the corpse and connecting the tether then BOOM I missed a mechanic. The only way to tell if your lined up is watch the skill bar and see if the button lights up. The special sauce is when BB/Detonating siphon tether fail to reach the boss's hitbox and do no damage.
I also deal with pet/necrotic potency cycling to keep ultimate up to spam Colossus as often as possible.
But I definitely find it more difficult than MagSorc, StamSorc, Templar dps.
Dude nailed the rotation though.0 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.
What does that have to do with doing a static rotation. I am not in Hodor anymore. Havnt been for quite some time.
a static rotation is not hard to do. you can learn it and just keep pressing your buttons in the same order over and over again.
Here, let me help you. This is for 2H/bow
Bars:
2H Bar: Carve - Executioner (or Reverse Slice) - Skeletal Archer - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Rearming Trap - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Archer <--- cast before fight starts. after that, ignore this
Blastbones - Endless - Trap
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Carve - Tether
Blastbones - Archer - Carve
This is for dw/bow
Bars:
Dual Wield Bar: Rending Slashes - Venom Skull - Rearming Trap - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Skeletal Archer - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Blastbones - Endless - Archer
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Rending - Tether
Blastbones - Skull - Trap
^ If you dont want to use tether(detonating syphon) you can do skull instead of it
Use a light attack in between every skill. It is no science. Just memorize this. and train a bit until you can do this in your sleep.Edited by xMovingTarget on July 2, 2019 6:32PM5 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hello
I played stamina necromancer, and its almost impossible to play. Stamina rotation is TOO HARD! Stamina DK rotation which was hardest before is easy compared.
It should be simplified, of course so, that you do decent dps with easier rotation and very good with hard rotation, but now choices are very good and very low dps depending how good player you are.
Basically its useless for medium level players if wanna do any decent dps and not good. More importantly its not FUN at all to do dps with it, I challenge anyone to do rotation
without looking at action buttos constantly.
Yeah, stam Necro can be played statically if you want. This is going to get a lot of L2P comments which often make me cringe, but are pretty spot on this time around.
Saying stam DK was the hardest rotation last patch makes think you might actually be trolling as that statement borders on the absurd.
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Thicclady✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.
What does that have to do with doing a static rotation. I am not in Hodor anymore. Havnt been for quite some time.
a static rotation is not hard to do. you can learn it and just keep pressing your buttons in the same order over and over again.
Here, let me help you. This is for 2H/bow
Bars:
2H Bar: Carve - Executioner (or Reverse Slice) - Skeletal Archer - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Rearming Trap - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Archer <--- cast before fight starts. after that, ignore this
Blastbones - Endless - Trap
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Carve - Tether
Blastbones - Archer - Carve
This is for dw/bow
Bars:
Dual Wield Bar: Rending Slashes - Venom Skull - Rearming Trap - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Skeletal Archer - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Blastbones - Endless - Archer
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Rending - Tether
Blastbones - Skull - Trap
^ If you dont want to use tether(detonating syphon) you can do skull instead of it
Use a light attack in between every skill. It is no science. Just memorize this. and train a bit until you can do this in your sleep.
Thanks for advice, but that dont change the fact that its like playing "hit the monkey" with 10 holes0 -
Jaimeh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Hello
I played stamina necromancer, and its almost impossible to play. Stamina rotation is TOO HARD! Stamina DK rotation which was hardest before is easy compared.
It should be simplified, of course so, that you do decent dps with easier rotation and very good with hard rotation, but now choices are very good and very low dps depending how good player you are.
Basically its useless for medium level players if wanna do any decent dps and not good. More importantly its not FUN at all to do dps with it, I challenge anyone to do rotation
without looking at action buttos constantly.
Stam necro has a static rotation, meaning you don't even have to look at the actions, you just have to remember their sequence. It does good damage, even when your light attack weaving is not up to scratch, and the colossus ulti helps the whole group as well. As for having fun, that is entirely subjective, but truly, compared to to other stamina classes, it's very forgiving, rotation-wise.0 -
psypanda✭✭✭Idk I literally suck at PVE and even I was able to pull 87k on the new raid dummy with non perfected gear (lokkestiiz + relequen + veli) after practicing for like 1h on the dummyPresident of the official Lucina Civello Fanclub1 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.
What does that have to do with doing a static rotation. I am not in Hodor anymore. Havnt been for quite some time.
a static rotation is not hard to do. you can learn it and just keep pressing your buttons in the same order over and over again.
Here, let me help you. This is for 2H/bow
Bars:
2H Bar: Carve - Executioner (or Reverse Slice) - Skeletal Archer - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Rearming Trap - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Archer <--- cast before fight starts. after that, ignore this
Blastbones - Endless - Trap
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Carve - Tether
Blastbones - Archer - Carve
This is for dw/bow
Bars:
Dual Wield Bar: Rending Slashes - Venom Skull - Rearming Trap - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Skeletal Archer - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Blastbones - Endless - Archer
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Rending - Tether
Blastbones - Skull - Trap
^ If you dont want to use tether(detonating syphon) you can do skull instead of it
Use a light attack in between every skill. It is no science. Just memorize this. and train a bit until you can do this in your sleep.
Thanks for advice, but that dont change the fact that its like playing "hit the monkey" with 10 holes
I mean, it's the best DPS in game and it's not even the hardest rotation. If you are looking for easy, roll a mag templar or mag sorc.
Templar is the easiest in the current meta, as it's two alternating 8 skill rotations, and 3 skills can always be cast in a row if you desire:
-Part 1: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade, Vamp bane (swap), ele weapon x4.
-Part 2: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade (swap), Ele weapon x3 (swap), Trap, Channeled focus (Swap).
All you do is alternate part 1 and part 2. At execute, it becomes even easier. Shards (swap), Blockade, trap (swap), beam x3 (trap is every other rotation).
mSorc is a little more complicated, but its the same basic 8 count series. It's probably the easiest dynamic rotation to break into. Blockade, Liquid Lighting, 6 skills, repeat. Those skills are either frags (if proc'd), prey, trap, ultimate, Spammable, but you always count to 8 and repeat. Just like counting music.
Both of those will easily break into the 80s on a raid dummy.
Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on July 2, 2019 8:31PM1 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »I never thought I'd say this, but here goes....
Three words.... learn to play.
I have a stamnecro and have no problem completing any content, pledge, or PvP. If the game was any easier, we'd be playing it on our phones. ESO is already dumbed down enough, it doesn't need to be simplified anymore.
AMEN!!! Seriously folks......no 1 button gameplay please!!!0 -
Joxer61✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.
What does that have to do with doing a static rotation. I am not in Hodor anymore. Havnt been for quite some time.
a static rotation is not hard to do. you can learn it and just keep pressing your buttons in the same order over and over again.
Here, let me help you. This is for 2H/bow
Bars:
2H Bar: Carve - Executioner (or Reverse Slice) - Skeletal Archer - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Rearming Trap - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Archer <--- cast before fight starts. after that, ignore this
Blastbones - Endless - Trap
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Carve - Tether
Blastbones - Archer - Carve
This is for dw/bow
Bars:
Dual Wield Bar: Rending Slashes - Venom Skull - Rearming Trap - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Skeletal Archer - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Blastbones - Endless - Archer
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Rending - Tether
Blastbones - Skull - Trap
^ If you dont want to use tether(detonating syphon) you can do skull instead of it
Use a light attack in between every skill. It is no science. Just memorize this. and train a bit until you can do this in your sleep.
Thanks for advice, but that dont change the fact that its like playing "hit the monkey" with 10 holes
I mean, it's the best DPS in game and it's not even the hardest rotation. If you are looking for easy, roll a mag templar or mag sorc.
Templar is the easiest in the current meta, as it's two alternating 8 skill rotations, and 3 skills can always be cast in a row if you desire:
-Part 1: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade, Vamp bane (swap), ele weapon x4.
-Part 2: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade (swap), Ele weapon x3 (swap), Trap, Channeled focus (Swap).
All you do is alternate part 1 and part 2. At execute, it becomes even easier. Shards (swap), Blockade, trap (swap), beam x3 (trap is every other rotation).
mSorc is a little more complicated, but its the same basic 8 count series. It's probably the easiest dynamic rotation to break into. Blockade, Liquid Lighting, 6 skills, repeat. Those skills are either frags (if proc'd), prey, trap, ultimate, Spammable, but you always count to 8 and repeat. Just like counting music.
Both of those will easily break into the 80s on a raid dummy.
On that templar whats your bar setup...as I am used to always having Blockade on the back...or am I just reading this wrong?
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kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I haven't tried Magicka Necro, but I thought Stam Necro was pretty easy to get into. Then again I ran a Stam Warden a lot last patch and the rotation is very similar.Playing since beta...0 -
robpr✭✭✭✭✭
✭The problem with necro is just how Blastbones work. If you create them under the target, it's fine. But whenever for any reason they miss the target you are locked away from the skill unless they explode by themselves that can last up to 5ish seconds. It greatly breaks the flow.
Warden bugs can be simply recasted when you reposition. You can't do that with BBs.1 -
kojou✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The problem with necro is just how Blastbones work. If you create them under the target, it's fine. But whenever for any reason they miss the target you are locked away from the skill unless they explode by themselves that can last up to 5ish seconds. It greatly breaks the flow.
Warden bugs can be simply recasted when you reposition. You can't do that with BBs.
I ran into this a lot last night in Sunspire. I would either do another skull instead, or heavy attack instead if my resources were low. I guess it is the trade off for Blast Bones hitting so hard. I wish it would detonate in 3 seconds consistently instead of waiting around for 5.Playing since beta...0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »If I just use a 100% static rotation on stamcro, I hit around 90k dps on dummy without looking at the hotbar once. Idk how much more easy you want it to be
The IRONY when I see
>Hodor
on your tag.
What does that have to do with doing a static rotation. I am not in Hodor anymore. Havnt been for quite some time.
a static rotation is not hard to do. you can learn it and just keep pressing your buttons in the same order over and over again.
Here, let me help you. This is for 2H/bow
Bars:
2H Bar: Carve - Executioner (or Reverse Slice) - Skeletal Archer - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Rearming Trap - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Archer <--- cast before fight starts. after that, ignore this
Blastbones - Endless - Trap
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Carve - Tether
Blastbones - Archer - Carve
This is for dw/bow
Bars:
Dual Wield Bar: Rending Slashes - Venom Skull - Rearming Trap - Detonating Siphon - Blighted Blastbones - Flawless Dawnbreaker
Bow Bar: Endless Hail - Skeletal Archer - Razor Caltrops - Poison Injection - Detonating Siphon - Pestilent Colossus
Rotation:
Blastbones - Endless - Archer
Blastbones - Caltrops - Injection
Blastbones - Rending - Tether
Blastbones - Skull - Trap
^ If you dont want to use tether(detonating syphon) you can do skull instead of it
Use a light attack in between every skill. It is no science. Just memorize this. and train a bit until you can do this in your sleep.
Thanks for advice, but that dont change the fact that its like playing "hit the monkey" with 10 holes
I mean, it's the best DPS in game and it's not even the hardest rotation. If you are looking for easy, roll a mag templar or mag sorc.
Templar is the easiest in the current meta, as it's two alternating 8 skill rotations, and 3 skills can always be cast in a row if you desire:
-Part 1: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade, Vamp bane (swap), ele weapon x4.
-Part 2: Barrage, Shards (swap), Blockade (swap), Ele weapon x3 (swap), Trap, Channeled focus (Swap).
All you do is alternate part 1 and part 2. At execute, it becomes even easier. Shards (swap), Blockade, trap (swap), beam x3 (trap is every other rotation).
mSorc is a little more complicated, but its the same basic 8 count series. It's probably the easiest dynamic rotation to break into. Blockade, Liquid Lighting, 6 skills, repeat. Those skills are either frags (if proc'd), prey, trap, ultimate, Spammable, but you always count to 8 and repeat. Just like counting music.
Both of those will easily break into the 80s on a raid dummy.
On that templar whats your bar setup...as I am used to always having Blockade on the back...or am I just reading this wrong?
@Joxer61
I do backbar blockade (you need to with a VMA staff).
Front: Elemental Weapon, Beam, Inner light, Barrage, Shards, Meteor
Back: Blockade, Vamp bane (reflective light), Trap (channeled acceleration, minor Force), Channeled Focus, Flex (BOL, Shield, Inner light), Crescent Sweep.
The backbone of the rotation is Barrage, Shards, (swap), Blockade. In an 8 count rotation, the easiest way to cast these is as 1,2 (Swap),3, then you have 5 skills until your repeat (swap canceling shards is ideal). You can either do the order I suggested (and by I, I of course mean Liko, for me it consistently hits about 85K on a raid dummy), or you can juggle the other skills dynamically (little more of a ceiling, but also more chance to screw it up).
The static version has you slightly overcasting Channeled Focus, and slightly under casting Trap and Vamp Bane. The only real trick to the static version is working in your crescent sweep casts, which usually means you drop one of your ele weapons that time around, and being on top of your bar swap canceling. Two places people most often screw up, missing light attacks (simply a damage loss), not swap canceling fast enough (slows down your rotation).
The 123 of that combo is also very nice in actaul content especially if you need to move. The 1 puts a buff around you, the 2 is ranged that you can throw at your target, and 3 is a ground dot that should be in range by the time you get to it.
On a dummy, the way I typically open is Potion>channeled> trap>Swap> Meteor>light attack>then begin part 1.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on July 3, 2019 4:36PM2 -
Grianasteri✭✭✭✭✭
✭Hello
I played stamina necromancer, and its almost impossible to play. Stamina rotation is TOO HARD! Stamina DK rotation which was hardest before is easy compared.
It should be simplified, of course so, that you do decent dps with easier rotation and very good with hard rotation, but now choices are very good and very low dps depending how good player you are.
Basically its useless for medium level players if wanna do any decent dps and not good. More importantly its not FUN at all to do dps with it, I challenge anyone to do rotation
without looking at action buttos constantly.
It isnt too hard, its just that you are finding it difficult because it is more complex than most other classes and therefore nominally has a higher skill cap viz rotation execution.
The Necro play style is quite different from others and so many players are having difficulty. If you dont like this play style, play a different class, rather than call for Necro to be just like the others. I welcome having an interesting and different play style, thanks.
I'm a medium level player, I've taken my Necro through plenty of normal and vet dungeons so far, and a couple of trials. Seems to be performing fine.
(when I say "fine", there are improvements required (looking at you blastbones/siphon) but this is a separate issue from the rotation and actual play style required being too difficult or needing to be made easier).1
