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I just want to thank the ESO crew for working so hard on this awesome game. I've done my share of complaining about the bugs, glitches, mechanics, etc. over the past few months (years?). And though things can get frustrating at times I still really love the game -- a lot. Anyway, I know there are a ton of people working hard behind the scenes to make the game as pleasant and operational as possible and I really do appreciate their efforts. Please accept my apologies. If I do find a problem or issue in the future I'll try to present my case in a more pleasant, patient, and adult manner.
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Noblis01✭✭✭Wow ! A possitive thread !
I too, love this game. And I do feel bad that the people at ZOS need to endure the numerous negative
threads that come from us players. They know what is wrong and I am sure they are working to fix it.
I will stand with @FixedBlade123 and show my support for ZOS.10 -
Micah_Bayer✭✭✭✭✭Smh. Show positivity when they actually fix server performance when it's at it's worst currently. I swear they said it was only going to get better, but then again they recently mentioned they were killing it.Edited by Micah_Bayer on June 27, 2019 11:25PM24
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xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.13 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Standard business practice these days - there's no new income in fixing old issues.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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wormfudge✭✭✭Agreed!
Every cent I've put into this game couldn't surpass the fun it's provided me. Despite any ups, or downs, it's awesome throughout8 -
Skullstachio✭✭✭✭✭@FixedBlade123
ZOS have always done the best they could to bring in such an Immersive Game, There’s always gonna be a bunch ‘o salty nuts that give ‘em trouble round every corner, but in my opinion, when Necromancers were released, the dream of flinging skulls and raising the dead came to be realised. (That and giving bad guys a “bad time.”)
My two cents: Eso has always found a way to bring a smile to my face (even a boney grin to the skeletons.)
But otherwise, nothing is truly perfect, such is the wisdom of seh't. (Even though I gather most of my knowledge from Apocrypha.)Edited by Skullstachio on June 28, 2019 1:37AMIf you see me anywhere. Know that I am sitting back with a bag of popcorn, watching as ESO burns the goodwill of its player base with practices that only disrespects the players time like it did to me and many others...
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✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.5 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
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jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.Edited by jcm2606 on June 28, 2019 5:56AM3 -
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✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.
There are PVE daily quest bugs that have existed for over a year and they not only never fix them, they go on to release more content that has exactly the same issues.
As opposed to finding a workaround.
So, the bugs are not limited to PVP.Edited by Tigerseye on June 28, 2019 6:06AM2 -
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✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.
To be fair, 90% of the player get into the game because of lore, ambiance, pve content and build diversity.
You get in pvp later in general and the PvP in this game is pretty bad let's be honest.
So, it's normal to fix major content 1st, PvE is what get ppl into the game and make money for zos after all.[ PC EU ]
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jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.
There are PVE daily quest bugs that have existed for over a year and they not only never fix them, they go on to release more content that has exactly the same issues.
As opposed to finding a workaround.
So, the bugs are not limited to PVP.
And yet PVE still has easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each patch, even though the players are literally spelling out PVP fixes for them, fixes which would take 5 minutes at most. That's why I think certain teams aren't being given enough resources.
It's as if the teams are stretched super thin, such that they can't spare one developer to spend a half hour just going through and fixing obvious issues. Broken Battlegrounds matches are perhaps the worst offender. A solid workaround I've talked about many times is literally an extra line of code, 5 minutes of a developer's time, and they can't even do that.1 -
corpseblade✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.
There are PVE daily quest bugs that have existed for over a year and they not only never fix them, they go on to release more content that has exactly the same issues.
As opposed to finding a workaround.
So, the bugs are not limited to PVP.
And yet PVE still has easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each patch, even though the players are literally spelling out PVP fixes for them, fixes which would take 5 minutes at most. That's why I think certain teams aren't being given enough resources.
It's as if the teams are stretched super thin, such that they can't spare one developer to spend a half hour just going through and fixing obvious issues. Broken Battlegrounds matches are perhaps the worst offender. A solid workaround I've talked about many times is literally an extra line of code, 5 minutes of a developer's time, and they can't even do that.
If it really only took 5 minutes do you really believe it wouldn't be done? Isn't it more likely that the fix or the addition of some new code is likely to cause greater problems?
Something is obviously wrong. But I don't think the developers are "lazy". Perhaps the megaserver technology is more complex than originally though and easy fixes just don't exist. Perhaps resources are not being allocated properly across games.
But whatever the problem is, we have no insight into the game's inner-workings unless and until they decide to share that info with us.8 -
jcm2606✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭corpseblade wrote: »PrayingSeraph wrote: »xMovingTarget wrote: »Well, at the moment they deserve any of those negative threads. Instead of working hard on new content, they really should put the effort into fixing The mess that elsweyr brought with it.
The content teams are separate from the performance teams.
But the money and size of the teams aren't, and I'm pretty sure that's the problem, Zenimax isn't putting enough resources into the teams that actually matter.
Oh? Do you have some special knowledge of the inner workings of ZOS? Please, enlighten us more
Just look at the attention PVE gets compared to PVP, with easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each quarterly patch, even though PVE has many times more new content being made. Look at the myriad of PVP bugs that have existed for years, even ones that wouldn't require even 5 minutes to fix (bugged Battlegrounds matches, for instance). Look at the fact that legitimately gamebreaking bugs are pushed back to the next weekly patch, or maybe the patch after, while an issue with the Crown Store gets patched the next immediate day.
It doesn't take a genius to see where Zenimax's priorities lie. Also doesn't take a genius to figure that Zenimax would put more resources into what they think is more important.
There are PVE daily quest bugs that have existed for over a year and they not only never fix them, they go on to release more content that has exactly the same issues.
As opposed to finding a workaround.
So, the bugs are not limited to PVP.
And yet PVE still has easily 10x the amount of bug fixes each patch, even though the players are literally spelling out PVP fixes for them, fixes which would take 5 minutes at most. That's why I think certain teams aren't being given enough resources.
It's as if the teams are stretched super thin, such that they can't spare one developer to spend a half hour just going through and fixing obvious issues. Broken Battlegrounds matches are perhaps the worst offender. A solid workaround I've talked about many times is literally an extra line of code, 5 minutes of a developer's time, and they can't even do that.
If it really only took 5 minutes do you really believe it wouldn't be done? Isn't it more likely that the fix or the addition of some new code is likely to cause greater problems?
Something is obviously wrong. But I don't think the developers are "lazy". Perhaps the megaserver technology is more complex than originally though and easy fixes just don't exist. Perhaps resources are not being allocated properly across games.
But whatever the problem is, we have no insight into the game's inner-workings unless and until they decide to share that info with us.
It's literally just checking if the match is still in the "finding players" stage before giving the penalty to a player when they leave. A single line of code, an if statement, can fix a huge issue that has plagued Battlegrounds for years.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I REALLY hope there wasn't an ounce of sarcasm here cause this was really mature of the OP to say.Micah_Bayer wrote: »Smh. Show positivity when they actually fix server performance when it's at it's worst currently. I swear they said it was only going to get better, but then again they recently mentioned they were killing it.They deserve every ounce of grieft they’re getting and more. Shouldn’t be so damn incompetent and lazy. Maybe they won’t get so much grief. But alast zo$ is just greedy and doesn’t give a rats ass about their players, they just want our money. They don’t even play the damn game!
You people make me want downvotes to be a thing here.
Aren't you the one who said they hadn't set foot in a dungeon or trial since Elsweyr launched? Yet you have this uncontrollable need to post in every single thread where someone complains about ongoing issues. Guess what - I have never been murdered, but I feel quite strongly against murderers. Can you genuinely not empathise with the large amounts of people who DO have issues, even if YOU have none? I mean, ZOS just CANCELLED an entire event because group finder isn't up to snuff, and you keep trolling every performance-related thread AND you say you wish you could downvote others? How about simply not responding if you have no issues with how you personally enjoy the game?8 -
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✭I understand and appreciate the sentiment. I really like this game and I want to see it flourish. However, going out of your way to praise ZOS when the game is arguably in the worst state it has been in for a long time is not remotely productive. It's so bad they cancelled an entire event.5 -
Mitaka211✭✭✭✭They deserve every negative statement. Stop sugar coating it. When you charge money for something you need to deliver. Being a nice person has nothing to do with it. The state of the game is horrible right now in my opinion. For the last week i have probably played for like an hour in total. I decide to log in, and something doesn't work or has lag spikes. Decide to do some pvp and i get annoyed by all the stupid mechanics the devs want to promote.
The balance is horrible , even more than usual. Subscribing for eso plus was by far the worst mistake i have made.4 -
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✭I do wish the people who are really dissatisfied with the game would consider taking a step away for a while (at least).... If a product isn’t performing... stop wasting your time with it.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that people who don’t even play anymore keep coming and commenting on the forums. While there’s nothing wrong with that, I don’t really understand why they feel the need to do this.... (rhetorical question btw)....6 -
FixedBlade123✭✭✭LOL. I'm still seeing a lot of negative comments and, trust me, I "feel ya." I've done a lot of complaining. However, it's interesting to note that all those folks who complain as a matter of routine still sign into ESO everyday and play. So you must love the game as well or you would go somewhere else. The visuals are stunning. The story line is interesting. Most of the gameplay is functional and fun. There's something that keeps us coming back. It's all the good stuff and provokes us to hit that "start" button.
So I think a better strategy would be to simply present a problem you're facing or experiencing and bring it to the attention of the Mods without using emotion. Don't get nasty. Don't call names. Don't cast stones. Just present the facts. If you have to present your case once a day for 6 months then so be it.
If constant complaining isn't fixing the problems then a new approach may work better.
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FixedBlade123✭✭✭Wow ! A possitive thread !
I too, love this game. And I do feel bad that the people at ZOS need to endure the numerous negative
threads that come from us players. They know what is wrong and I am sure they are working to fix it.
I will stand with @FixedBlade123 and show my support for ZOS.
Thanks Noblis01.
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Nogawd✭✭✭✭✭BomblePants wrote: »I do wish the people who are really dissatisfied with the game would consider taking a step away for a while (at least).... If a product isn’t performing... stop wasting your time with it.
Another thing I’ve noticed is that people who don’t even play anymore keep coming and commenting on the forums. While there’s nothing wrong with that, I don’t really understand why they feel the need to do this.... (rhetorical question btw)....
It does seem like those that complain the most, play the most. maybe if they had a job it would be like a good time-out for them to refresh.1 -
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✭✭✭I don't have a problem with legit, reasonably stated complaints. But griefing goes far beyond that and I have a problem with.4 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭You know, it's funny. People here saying "the game is in such a bad state" or "ZOS dont listen" or something along those lines
Funny, cause I have been people on here saying that every day of every month of every year I am on here since I joined. I remember all the whining from Morrowind's update regarding sustain. How the game is doing terrible.
Or perhaps the recent anniversary event. For 5 weeks of rewards, styles and free double xp, you'd think ZOS committed a crime against gamers with all the whining threads about pvp players killing pve players during the ONE WEEK of pvp daily rewards...
It makes me wonder, if the game is always "at its worst" or how ZOS is "so incompetent", why play? I genuinely mean that, why play?
Its one thing to have constructive feedback threads, but it's another thing entirely to have all the melodrama you see on here...Edited by PrayingSeraph on June 29, 2019 12:23AM2 -
lasertooth✭✭✭✭✭This game is what you make of it. Despite all the glitches and bugs, it still is a wonderful place that I enjoy spending my time. I have met so many awesome people in this game!! The guilds that I have joined have become like family to me. It’s a good place to be.
The world is not perfect, and neither is this game. But to all the mods/developers who work hard to help make it better; thank you so much! Despite all the negativity on the forums, this game is still an epic, fun place to spend my time. Looking back on the past 4-5 years I’ve played this game, the developers have made so many improvements and changes that are awesome. Like the most recent addition of a guild trader search function...I am thankful for that.
Thank you ZOS and everyone who supports them! And thank you to the OP for making a positive post. Lasertooth
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✭✭✭✭✭PrayingSeraph wrote: »Its one thing to have constructive feedback threads, but it's another thing entirely to have all the melodrama you see on here...
To be fair, both sides (the Pro and Anti-Zos posters) can be equally as dramatic. While I generally agree with you, there are valid criticisms being made that are lost among the noise."If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."3 -
regime211✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm sorry... but to sit there and congratulate how bad this games performance has fallen is far from absurd, they need to understand that this game has had so many bugs new and old for the past 5 years!! So to sit here and tell them " sorry for the grief" is crap. They need to fix this game period! And not some half ass fix either. They need to really sit down and read every single issue people are having and stop releasing new content,Crown store, and actually fix the game!
So sorry to burst your bubble but hell no they should be ashame of themselves and take all the grief thrown there way.
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✭✭Maybe people wouldnt give zos, as a whole, so much grief if any of them knew how to communicate. Of course theres good people at zos.. Of course theres people who have done amazing things with the game at zos. But there are also people who are letting the game deteriorate and offering no communication on the issue.
And thats not the mods so I dont know why you would be giving them grief anyway.
The issue is coming from somewhere, and we will probably never know exactly where. Is it the general consensus, at zos, to keep us in the dark while never fixing performance? Or is it at the top? Someone like matt firor, or someone else high up, who doesn't want to spend the money needed to fix the issues? Or is trying to get the team to do more than they can with what they have access to? Again, we will never know. It will either get fixed or it wont, but either way we will know nothing until something happens or is about to happen.
There might even be people at zos as frustrated as we are. People who cant say or do anything without risking their job. But as a player it looks like at least the dev team who let it get this bad, and the CM team who offer no communication, are partially to blame. Unless it comes from the top.. Either way, when issues like this go on for years, with no hope in sight, people are going to be pissed with the entire company and aggravation is going to get directed at everyone from the company.
But one thing is certain. There is right and there is wrong, and whats been happening is wrong. The years of deteriorating performance on all platforms.. The shameful state of pvp, console, and EU performance. And the complete silence from zos on these issues. Its 100% wrong.
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✭✭You know, criticism and respect are not mutually exclusive!
ZOS have always accepted constructive feedback and respectful critisicm. They have often even commented on such threads acknowledging where they have not met expectations.
What some people seem to struggle with is giving feedback without descending to insulting bashing of ZOS employees.
I've made many posts being critical of certain things in this game but it truly does disgust me when I see people chasing after particular ZOS employees and screaming for blood!
These people are doing a job same as all of us. Sometimes things will go wrong, but nobody deserves personal insults from a customer, especially when overall, ZOS are delivering an outstanding product!All my housing builds are available on YouTube
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✭✭I guess you just get used to glitches, bugs, performance drops and play through it. At the end of the day, there is no other game on the market like this.PC - EU:
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