Can you be a Tank/Healer (for PUG Vet-Pledges) with no attribute investment at all?

SpeedBoostTorchic · June 2019

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Yes, all base vets are easily tankable with 25k HP and 25k resistances. (if you are CP500+)

DocFrost72 · June 2019

My non health tanks have 64 in stam. You're going to get more tied up with morphs than attributes. You're fine.

Suddwrath · June 2019

If you only have stam characters don't try to run them as a healer, but you'll be just fine as a tank (and will have shorter queue times).

mobicera · June 2019

Yes you can tank with 64 points into Stam, just use your enchants on gear to make up for the lack of Magicka that you will need for support and control...
Remember tanking is far more than just poking the boss...
Really it would be best to make a dedicated char into a tank so you can choose the right morphs on skills and properly support your group.
If you are having trouble sitting in que for 15-20 mins as a dps try making some friends, join guilds and start grouping with them.
As a tank main I seek out my guildies and friends that do decent dps and que with them.
Pugging on a tank can be horrible at times.
Just keep in mind tank is a support role you are required to support your group and add control in vet content along with keeping taunt on priority targets so your gear and skill choices should reflect that.

SpeedBoostTorchic · June 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yes, all base vets are easily tankable with 25k HP and 25k resistances. (if you are CP500+)

Thanks for the reply mate! What about healer? Is there are chance?

SaltySudd wrote: »

If you only have stam characters don't try to run them as a healer, but you'll be just fine as a tank (and will have shorter queue times).

I don't ONLY have stam characters, but I am asking about them because obviously its ridiculously easy to run a Magdps as a Healer, since they share the same attributes. Why is it so impossible to run them as healers though? Isn't only like a 6.4k difference in Magicka? Is it really that much of a problem in Base-game vets?

mobicera wrote: »

Really it would be best to make a dedicated char into a tank so you can choose the right morphs on skills and properly support your group.

I already HAVE a dedicated character for that. I'm trying to run Pledges on multiple characters, A.) So I can get more keys and B.) because I need to train the Undaunted skill line on them. It's these characters that I'm having queue issues with, so I was wondering if (for base game pledges only) they could be "good enough" in the other roles with proper skills & gear.

LordTareq · June 2019

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

Easy. My tank has full points in stamina as well. You can use gear to make sure you reach an adequate amount of health. As a for your info: you can reach >65.000 health without putting a single point in the health attribute.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yes, all base vets are easily tankable with 25k HP and 25k resistances. (if you are CP500+)

Thanks for the reply mate! What about healer? Is there are chance?

SaltySudd wrote: »

If you only have stam characters don't try to run them as a healer, but you'll be just fine as a tank (and will have shorter queue times).

I don't ONLY have stam characters, but I am asking about them because obviously its ridiculously easy to run a Magdps as a Healer, since they share the same attributes. Why is it so impossible to run them as healers though? Isn't only like a 6.4k difference in Magicka? Is it really that much of a problem in Base-game vets?

mobicera wrote: »

Really it would be best to make a dedicated char into a tank so you can choose the right morphs on skills and properly support your group.

I already HAVE a dedicated character for that. I'm trying to run Pledges on multiple characters, A.) So I can get more keys and B.) because I need to train the Undaunted skill line on them. It's these characters that I'm having queue issues with, so I was wondering if (for base game pledges only) they could be "good enough" in the other roles with proper skills & gear.

For healer it is even easier, since healer naturally needs a lot of effective spell power to heal.. so you just slot more dps skills and that's all.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

LordTareq wrote: »

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

Easy. My tank has full points in stamina as well. You can use gear to make sure you reach an adequate amount of health. As a for your info: you can reach >65.000 health without putting a single point in the health attribute.

But in practice you reach whopping 38k if properly geared. Ok, 45k if Imperial and with minor toughness active.

idk · June 2019

While many vet dungeons have been cleared with a tank who could toss some heals and 3 dps, OP is asking about doing this with pugs.

The one thing we know when running with a pug group, and especially with a GF pug group, that it can be very bad. So the answer to the question is yet, but that does not mean you will have success much of the time unless you are running with reasonably skilled players.

LordTareq · June 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

LordTareq wrote: »

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

Easy. My tank has full points in stamina as well. You can use gear to make sure you reach an adequate amount of health. As a for your info: you can reach >65.000 health without putting a single point in the health attribute.

But in practice you reach whopping 38k if properly geared. Ok, 45k if Imperial and with minor toughness active.

You can get higher easily using plague doctor + warrior poet or another source of minor toughness, and class skills that boost health. Not saying super high health makes for a good tank though.

Vajrak · June 2019

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=156899

43khp + 15s renewing 8.6k shield for 51k hp
64 Stam for a 28k Stam pool
32.2k spell resist, 30k physical resist (capped when standing on rune)
Can recover stam while blocking (due to rune)
Emergency heal ult or Damage boost ult for party
Major and Minor breach/fracture + crusher with perfect uptime feasible
Minor Protection and Minor Endurance easy uptime + extra CC on daedra/undead/ww
On-demand HoT for self and 2 allies
Ranged damage negate via shield
1 shot cleanse + HoT/Slow field with heal synergy for allies
Minor Maim/Heroism on easy perfect uptime
% chance heal drain beam for taking damage due to monster set
Chain mobs to you without much trouble

Wouldn't take long to figure out the other classes for it as well.

Stibbons · June 2019

I have leveled my 9 alt undaunted as tank or healer. As stamina you can do all older dungeons easily with max poits in stamina. Take decent tanking gear x2 and dps monster set etc and you age good to go. If you are a newbie READ TACTICS so you can do no death runs too and grind undaunted just faster by not dying.

FrancisCrawford · June 2019

For these stamina characters you'd maybe heal with -- do you have the skill points to put into light armor passives, resto staff skills, and so on?

Elwendryll · June 2019

I just recently made a tanking build for my main stam character. I will just change CP and Mundus, and the stats and utility are looking good.

AverageJo3Gam3r · June 2019

Sure. Throw on ebon+plague doctor with a monster set of choice. You may need to swap around some CPs for some things like vet DLC no death achieves.

Iskiab · June 2019

I do it all the time. If your character’s mag you can heal vets, if you’re stam go tank.

Jeremy · June 2019

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

For non DLC, yeah.

For DLC dungeons, especially the latter ones, probably could do tank. Just gear for lots of health.

Iskiab · June 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

SpeedBoostTorchic wrote: »

A have a couple Stam-DPS characters that I HATE doing daily dungeons with because the queue-times take an eternity. But if I re-spec their attributes into tanks/healers, they won't really make effective stam-DPS (besides, I already have other characters for that). Instead I got to thinking: with 64-points in Stamina only, could I still fill the role of a tank or even a healer with JUST a Gear & Skill swap?

Keep in mind, I am specifically talking for Non-DLC Vet-Pledges. I'm not expending to go into endgame trials like this. I just want to know, given the proper gear/skills/food, if I could queue for a non-DPS role without being dead weight on my team.

For non DLC, yeah.

For DLC dungeons, especially the latter ones, probably could do tank. Just gear for lots of health.

That’s what I did, plague doctor plus ebon. Super easy.... as CP810.

I don’t know what the magic number is, but at some point things that used to be hard are a cake walk.

Easy enough I did all the non-DLC vets with other weapon skills slotted on my front bar to level them up. It was great, by the time I finished undaunted I had gotten to 50 on 2hander, Bow and DW.

This is also with great gear though since I’d been collecting tanking sets on my main.