How can Magicka necro be this bad?

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

ImSoPro · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???" now you can answer 'because necromancer is cool' which I agree with, it's why I have one at 50 but that's not how it should stay, I shouldn't be gimping myself by choosing necromancer.

So yes, they need a buff. Particularly since it seems like the stamina version of the class is just about the best thing ever to people who play it, why exactly can't we have that with magicka too?

ImSoPro · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???" now you can answer 'because necromancer is cool' which I agree with, it's why I have one at 50 but that's not how it should stay, I shouldn't be gimping myself by choosing necromancer.

So yes, they need a buff. Particularly since it seems like the stamina version of the class is just about the best thing ever to people who play it, why exactly can't we have that with magicka too?

I can agree with this. I don’t think it’s that bad but it can use a buff to at least be closer to if not on par with the stam version, and that would also make it more viable for PVE endgame content.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???" now you can answer 'because necromancer is cool' which I agree with, it's why I have one at 50 but that's not how it should stay, I shouldn't be gimping myself by choosing necromancer.

So yes, they need a buff. Particularly since it seems like the stamina version of the class is just about the best thing ever to people who play it, why exactly can't we have that with magicka too?

You can complere any content in the game playing magica necro. Sorc's 10% more dps dont bother me at all.
And it is fun playing something different in BGs and trying to make it work.
Yes , magcro need some rework but stop this "omg its horrible , sorc 100500 times better" bs.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???" now you can answer 'because necromancer is cool' which I agree with, it's why I have one at 50 but that's not how it should stay, I shouldn't be gimping myself by choosing necromancer.

So yes, they need a buff. Particularly since it seems like the stamina version of the class is just about the best thing ever to people who play it, why exactly can't we have that with magicka too?

You can complere any content in the game playing magica necro. Sorc's 10% more dps dont bother me at all.
And it is fun playing something different in BGs and trying to make it work.
Yes , magcro need some rework but stop this "omg its horrible , sorc 100500 times better" bs.

Oh my god honestly just go away mate, literally no one agrees with you and your literally trolling at this point, I'm not sure why I'm even responding, I think the response from EVERYONE ELSE, pretty much speaks for itself. No one asked if 10% more dps (Which is not, your blatantly lying for whatever *** reason) bothers you or not.

Everyone sitting in here talking about how Necro's magicka damage pales in comparison to the effort you put in and you come in and randomly spout *** about 10% dps difference. But whatever, people like you are likely the reason stuff never gets fixed/brought up to par with the other classes so hey ***, I'll just keep playing my sorcerer.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???" now you can answer 'because necromancer is cool' which I agree with, it's why I have one at 50 but that's not how it should stay, I shouldn't be gimping myself by choosing necromancer.

So yes, they need a buff. Particularly since it seems like the stamina version of the class is just about the best thing ever to people who play it, why exactly can't we have that with magicka too?

You can complere any content in the game playing magica necro. Sorc's 10% more dps dont bother me at all.
And it is fun playing something different in BGs and trying to make it work.
Yes , magcro need some rework but stop this "omg its horrible , sorc 100500 times better" bs.

Oh my god honestly just go away mate, literally no one agrees with you and your literally trolling at this point, I'm not sure why I'm even responding, I think the response from EVERYONE ELSE, pretty much speaks for itself. No one asked if 10% more dps (Which is not, your blatantly lying for whatever *** reason) bothers you or not.

Everyone sitting in here talking about how Necro's magicka damage pales in comparison to the effort you put in and you come in and randomly spout *** about 10% dps difference. But whatever, people like you are likely the reason stuff never gets fixed/brought up to par with the other classes so hey ***, I'll just keep playing my sorcerer.

Lying ? Do you have any proofs ?
Liko youtube channel. Magcro 86k dps on raid dummy. Sorc 93k.
Show me YOUR logs and than we can talk.

And no, rotation is not complicated at all. Dont lie.

I am not sure why i am even responding because you literally trolling at this point

Nogawd · June 2019

10x better? Talk about exaggeration and diva post.

validifyedneb18_ESO · June 2019

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 wrote: »

Magicka necros are parsing WAAAY below other classes. The stamina version does, literally, about 50% or more damage.

Probably because the stamina version is more or less identical to every other stamina build.

Maelstrom Bow, Relequens, AY
Trap Beast, Hail, Caltrops, Ballista

etc etc..

Magic builds are almost the same, atleast they get to use some different abilities once in a while though.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

10x better? Talk about exaggeration and diva post.

Yeah it's 10x easier, enjoy magcro while I destroy everything on my sorcerer, no skin off my nose. Bite me.

Ixilith · June 2019

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Being fun and a challenge to use it’s potiental capability. Doesn’t mean it’s “fine” it’s litterally a weaker copy of the warden class.

They litterally almost play the same yet it’s kit just is inferior to the wardens, the class does need some help.

Being the lowest dps in the game currently, beyond that to be in the lower half of the pvp meta also. I don’t understand why ur fighting against its deserved buffs.

It sounds like u either enjoy being the underdog, or u enjoy playing a class which isn’t popular.

ImSoPro · June 2019

Ixilith wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

"then this just isn’t the class for you." Why? Because you happen to enjoy it as is while other people like me want to see it buffed up so that it pays out much more in return for the effort you put in? What is it with people around here and wanting the game toned down to oblivion for the sake of...I don't even know?

Plus I daresay the class would be more for me than you, I want to play it for the aesthetics and looks, not for the contrived rotation and lack of fire power, the only reason I'm even voicing my discontent is that I WANT to play Necromancer, but one that is as strong as my sorcerer is. Now you might say they are 'equal' but they're not, most people would agree but even pretending they were equal in terms of what they offer, you yourself admitted it's a lot more effort for necromancer to produce the same results.

Don't think asking for a class to be balanced so that it offers as much as the other ones do is too much. And no a 'challenge' is not the benefits/perks of a class.

It isn’t the class for some people because the rotation and skills are what they are. And yes I think necro is fine now cause it is strong enough while not the strongest, but I do think ZoS COULD buff the class I never said it couldn’t use a damage buff. That would be great because no it can’t straight up out dps a sorc, but as long as the fights between two skilled players aren’t lopsided simply because sorc can do more damage then is it really THAT bad? Sorc has a simpler roto but a player that is skilled with necro can be just as good on that necro as they are on a sorc, they just have to put in more work which I understand is the argument here but maybe that’s just how the class is supposed to be?

Being fun and a challenge to use it’s potiental capability. Doesn’t mean it’s “fine” it’s litterally a weaker copy of the warden class.

They litterally almost play the same yet it’s kit just is inferior to the wardens, the class does need some help.

Being the lowest dps in the game currently, beyond that to be in the lower half of the pvp meta also. I don’t understand why ur fighting against its deserved buffs.

It sounds like u either enjoy being the underdog, or u enjoy playing a class which isn’t popular.

I was never fighting against buffs. Never anywhere in any of my posts did I say the class shouldn’t be buffed I simply said IMO it’s ok as is. One class is always gonna be the weakest and one is gonna be the strongest. Someone has to be at the bottom of the totem pole. Someone has to be at the top. The point I was making that people continue to not pull from my posts is that yes the class could use a buff but that doesn’t mean it’s weak. Personally I do pretty well in PVP on my magcro I love her she’s a beast. But if you’re always worried about how much DPS the other guy is pulling or chasing the meta then you won’t ever be satisfied. I just play the game and make due with what’s available. The class could definitely use a buff and also I disagree about magden being stronger. I have a magden as well.

Joxer61 · June 2019

Just for input and thought there is a player on PCNA with a Magnecro, in a pretty big "end game" guild, and he does VSS. He actually beat his stam countpart in their runs in dps. I wont post the numbers as that's not the issue.
Point is they are very doable and work just fine and even shine in the proper hands. Do they need some love..sure. Do they suck....nah.

SirMewser · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

Lol

Taloros · June 2019

Magicka Necro primarily feels clunky to me, mainly due to the corpse mechanic, I think. your DPS and sustain depend on

1. a steady supply of corpses,
2. them dropping in a proper spot so that you don't spend your time looking for it and
3. your spells connecting to the corpse properly.

The last part is pretty annoying, at least to me. You often target a corpse, but have to press your skill several times before it actually works.

The pets often have targetting issues and run around without doing any DPS. This seems to happen more often than with Sorcerer pets or the Warden bear.

It seems reasonably powerful, at least for casual content. I've played through all but a few DLC dungeons on normal* and many on veteran with a magicka Necromancer healer/DPS, and it was okay damage/healing wise. But it's not fun compared to a magicka Dragonknight (Fire! Fire! Fire! More fire!), Templar (Lazers!), Nightblade (Your life, my life), Sorc (a zoo with a thunder storm inside) and even Warden (Bear: Kill!).

Same goes for the stamina Necromancer, to be honest. Stronger due to better non-class stamina skills, and an interesting class to tank on - the ultima generation is just crazy. But others are more enjoyable, at least to me.

*Casual content, I said.

Ashtaris · June 2019

Oh, don’t worry. Instead of buffing the Magicka Necro, in ZOS’s infinite wisdom in their quest for balance, they will nerf the stamina version thereby making both worthless.

terrasight · June 2019

After done VSS at WE with my magcro, my biggest issue was the targeting system at range and the traveltime of blastbones.

To be effective I have to stand very close... but there are the staminas...

Looking forward to vmol this week.

terrasight · June 2019

Ashtaris wrote: »

Oh, don’t worry. Instead of buffing the Magicka Necro, in ZOS’s infinite wisdom in their quest for balance, they will nerf the stamina version thereby making both worthless.

I hope not, but sadly we're learned our lesson in the past...

Joxer61 · June 2019

Stam is strong, but why? Look at the logs on eso-logs and look at the stamnecros…..biggest hitting skills are hail, caltrops and injection. Any actual class skills are down the list whereas with magcros its almost ALL class skills.
So yea, I think just by nature of the beast mag is going to be a bit weaker, or different. And yea, the corpse thing can feel a bit clunky but I reckon that's because it a new mechanic/playstyle and once people master it it will shine!

robpr · June 2019

Mag necro vs Stam necro
Skull can hit more targets - any skill casted counts toward 3rd cast, more empowered skulls, more damage
Blastbones have travel time - Blastbones explode instantly (because you stand closer)
Graveyard does nothing - Graveyard increase Lokkestiz uptime
Skelly mage does splash - Skelly archer does more damage each hit
Mystic siphon restore magicka - Detonating siphon does explosion at end of duration, increasing damage
Glacial Collosus stuns - Pestilent Collosus does more damage each smash

See the pattern? Even omitting that Lokkestiz exists, stam morphs are designed to do more damage. Combining that innate medium armor increasing weapon damage and weapon crit as opposed to light armor spell crit and spell pen, you get a huge difference how magcro performs. It needs heavy numerical tweaks.

Seraphayel · June 2019

Joxer61 wrote: »

Stam is strong, but why? Look at the logs on eso-logs and look at the stamnecros…..biggest hitting skills are hail, caltrops and injection. Any actual class skills are down the list whereas with magcros its almost ALL class skills.
So yea, I think just by nature of the beast mag is going to be a bit weaker, or different. And yea, the corpse thing can feel a bit clunky but I reckon that's because it a new mechanic/playstyle and once people master it it will shine!

The Necromancer passive that increases DoT damage greatly benefits Stamina because Stamina has stronger DoTs available, the ones you've listed. And one of the DoTs is even an execute DoT, benefitting not only by the increased DoT damage but also by the "execute crit" from the Necromancer passive.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

robpr wrote: »

Mag necro vs Stam necro
Skull can hit more targets - any skill casted counts toward 3rd cast, more empowered skulls, more damage
Blastbones have travel time - Blastbones explode instantly (because you stand closer)
Graveyard does nothing - Graveyard increase Lokkestiz uptime
Skelly mage does splash - Skelly archer does more damage each hit
Mystic siphon restore magicka - Detonating siphon does explosion at end of duration, increasing damage
Glacial Collosus stuns - Pestilent Collosus does more damage each smash

See the pattern? Even omitting that Lokkestiz exists, stam morphs are designed to do more damage. Combining that innate medium armor increasing weapon damage and weapon crit as opposed to light armor spell crit and spell pen, you get a huge difference how magcro performs. It needs heavy numerical tweaks.

Inb4 the last few people rush in to call this a diva post and that magcro is perfectly fine and people just need to 'learn to play it'.

Joxer61 · June 2019

robpr wrote: »

Mag necro vs Stam necro
Skull can hit more targets - any skill casted counts toward 3rd cast, more empowered skulls, more damage
Blastbones have travel time - Blastbones explode instantly (because you stand closer)
Graveyard does nothing - Graveyard increase Lokkestiz uptime
Skelly mage does splash - Skelly archer does more damage each hit
Mystic siphon restore magicka - Detonating siphon does explosion at end of duration, increasing damage
Glacial Collosus stuns - Pestilent Collosus does more damage each smash

See the pattern? Even omitting that Lokkestiz exists, stam morphs are designed to do more damage. Combining that innate medium armor increasing weapon damage and weapon crit as opposed to light armor spell crit and spell pen, you get a huge difference how magcro performs. It needs heavy numerical tweaks.

yup, noticed the very same thing and had to ask myself why? seems silly that most if not all stam morphs do damage while mag is a mixed bag. I will say that Boneyard hits HARD, so the does nothing is a miss there. Also, Glacial does hit hard but yea...a stun? So yea, mag while doesn't suck eggs it does need some love. Doubt it will ever be on par with its stam counterpart but then again doesn't need to be really.

katorga · June 2019

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???"

Well, if they fix the mechanics of the class it would be pretty good. Not great, but good. So I'm 50, churning through undaunted dungeons, so I like the class enough to endure that again. But the class mechanics just miss too often, regardless of mag vs stam.

BB, everyone knows about its issues. But when it glitches, it stands there till it expires and you can't cancel and recast.

Detonating siphon, provided you tether to the right corpse at the boss's feet, your movement or the boss's movement can easily get the skill out of the hitbox.

Skeletal archer, no assurance it will target the boss, especially with adds. It is expensive for just 1500 pen.

The mechanics of the class make it very difficult to get a good rotation and just "flow".

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

katorga wrote: »

Well...YES, that is -that- bad. Because in order to play necromancer you literally have to be "Okay, I acknowledge that as a magicka dps, sorcerer offers much more for much less effort, but I will play necromancer still because... ???"

Well, if they fix the mechanics of the class it would be pretty good. Not great, but good. So I'm 50, churning through undaunted dungeons, so I like the class enough to endure that again. But the class mechanics just miss too often, regardless of mag vs stam.

BB, everyone knows about its issues. But when it glitches, it stands there till it expires and you can't cancel and recast.

Detonating siphon, provided you tether to the right corpse at the boss's feet, your movement or the boss's movement can easily get the skill out of the hitbox.

Yeah I've noticed basically; I do 'okay' with bosses that stand still, button mashing like crazy I can almost reach my petsorc level of dps (even though I literally cycle between 3 abilities only for pet sorc lol with no pressure.) but the moment you have a boss that moves around? Goodbye.

What's that? You set down graveyard/wall of fire? Do it again.
What's that your glacial colossus? WOOP MISSED ME!
What's that a corpse tether? Lemme just step to the side.
Blast Bones? Lemme just teleport so it bugs out mid-charge and stands still.

Literally a boss that moves around and your damage is ***, not to mention it feels like to even do your proper rotation with necromancer you have to do this long winded set-up that is so *** easily interrupted and feels almost out of place with how fast all the other classes play.

Why can't they just make the stamina morphs/maybe all morphs, scale off of/cost whatever your highest value is magicka/stamina? WHY DOES STAMINA GET THE DAMAGE MORPH FOR THE -NECROMANCER- ULTIMATE AS OPPOSED TO MAGICKA!

For *** sake -NECROMANCER- it has always been MAGIC associated. Urgh, uuuuuuuuurgh, honestly as someone said above; my sorcerer feels more like a necromancer and it has the added benefit of actually playing well.

SirMewser · June 2019

Joxer61 wrote: »

Stam is strong, but why? Look at the logs on eso-logs and look at the stamnecros…..biggest hitting skills are hail, caltrops and injection. Any actual class skills are down the list whereas with magcros its almost ALL class skills.
So yea, I think just by nature of the beast mag is going to be a bit weaker, or different. And yea, the corpse thing can feel a bit clunky but I reckon that's because it a new mechanic/playstyle and once people master it it will shine!

*continues to spam tethers until the server registers it* Am I a master yet!?

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 · June 2019

Are people still spewing that horrible cluster of videos one guy made a month ago on PTS when the atronach was even more broken? seriously? Everyone who actually PLAYS THE GAME knows magcros are total trash. For half the effort you can do way more dps on a stamcro (by effort I mean gearing).

Magcro is under performing. Period. this is a COMMON FACT among the playerbase who actually play the game at a high level. I'm starting to see why magden is still horrible with people flocking to defend ZoS against requests for balance here.

Hotdog_23 · June 2019

Personally I think if they would fix blastbones and make it target more effectively, make the tether corpse easier to use and increase the skulls damage by 10% then both stam and mag would be awesome.

Seraphayel · June 2019

I think the positional requirements for corpses and their respective skills are a major problem in a game where mobility and movement is mandatory.

Ender1310 · June 2019

I think you guys over react. When all said and done I don't think it's gonna parse that much less. Hardly garbage. Not sure how much people should care that you aren't number one in dps every dungeon. I haven't personally run into anything mag necro couldn't handle.