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Ravager/Briarheart/Leviathan + Relequen for Optimal dps?
RT_Frank
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Deciding which of these sets to combo with Relequen on my stam necro. I know everyone suggests Lokkestiiz but I just don't like how the set works. Any help is appreciated!
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LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭What about Tzogvin's Warband, grants lots of crit and minor force.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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RT_Frank✭✭✭Why not AY?
Unfortunately I do not have a full set of AY. I've picked these sets as they are similar in damage to AY.What about Tzogvin's Warband, grants lots of crit and minor force.
True but I do plan on running either Trap or Acceleration but this is an interesting choice if I chose to run neither skill0 -
LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why not AY?
Unfortunately I do not have a full set of AY. I've picked these sets as they are similar in damage to AY.What about Tzogvin's Warband, grants lots of crit and minor force.
True but I do plan on running either Trap or Acceleration but this is an interesting choice if I chose to run neither skill
You could use the slot for Detonating Siphon (so double bar it) as just having it slotted will increase damage by 3% and then also grant more damage for the Grave Lord passives.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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ATomiX96✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you can only frontbar one of these three sets due to maelstrom bow backbar, briarheart.
If you dont have a maelstrom bow and you can double-bar those sets, leviathan.1 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Redguard Stamina Warden here.
I have full gold relequen, brairheart, and veli. Gear is all divine all bloodthirsty. Weapons are nirn and precise daggers front bar, infused vMA bow back bar.
My 3 million parse sits around 52k, my 6 mil was around 48.5k, and my 20 mil was 73.5k.
I use whirling blade as my spammable.
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John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭One important thing that wasn't vocalized is whether you have vMA bow. If no, Leviathan is going to be very strong, it's basically AY with a set bow available and without the need to keep stacks up. If yes, then probably sets with bonuses that persist after bar swap. Briarheart is good; Ravager us good if necromancer can keep good uptime on it (up until necro release, only stamplars could keep it decent). Veiled Heritance is good, close to AY and easy to keep up, just probably will scale a bit worse with raid buffs. And then there's Tzogvin's of course, I would really consider using it in motion-heavy fights where trap won't give you good uptime on Minor Force.1 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭If you can only frontbar one of these three sets due to maelstrom bow backbar, briarheart.
If you dont have a maelstrom bow and you can double-bar those sets, leviathan.John_Falstaff wrote: »One important thing that wasn't vocalized is whether you have vMA bow. If no, Leviathan is going to be very strong, it's basically AY with a set bow available and without the need to keep stacks up. If yes, then probably sets with bonuses that persist after bar swap. Briarheart is good; Ravager us good if necromancer can keep good uptime on it (up until necro release, only stamplars could keep it decent). Veiled Heritance is good, close to AY and easy to keep up, just probably will scale a bit worse with raid buffs. And then there's Tzogvin's of course, I would really consider using it in motion-heavy fights where trap won't give you good uptime on Minor Force.
I do have vma bow so I guess Leviathan is out.
Does Stamcro get good uptime with Ravager? If not, then at this point I'm considering either Briarheart or Tsogvin (and maybe Veiled as that looks interesting)0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭i say use Veiled Heritance, by far the easiest proc to keep up, as the set can reproc while the buff is still up.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 25, 2019 12:06PM0 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »i say use Veiled Heritance, by far the easiest proc to keep up, as the set can reproc while the buff is still up.
I will say that Veiled does look really nice. Only problem is that I'd have to farm every piece for it and transmute the jewelry (already have transmuted ravager). At this point, I'm thinking of sticking with briarheart until I get a full set of either Tsogvin or AY0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »i say use Veiled Heritance, by far the easiest proc to keep up, as the set can reproc while the buff is still up.
I will say that Veiled does look really nice. Only problem is that I'd have to farm every piece for it and transmute the jewelry (already have transmuted ravager). At this point, I'm thinking of sticking with briarheart until I get a full set of either Tsogvin or AY
You can buy veiled heritance at guild stores, pretty cheap because everyone is thinks it is bad because of the physical resistance set bonus. Yes you will have to transmute all the jewelry too, but you would have to do that with all the other sets too, bloodthirsty is BIS and infused is still better then max Stam.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 25, 2019 2:18PM0 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
You can buy veiled heritance at guild stores, pretty cheap because everyone is thinks it is bad because of the physical resistance set bonus. Yes you will have to transmute all the jewelry too, but you would have to do that with all the other sets too, bloodthirsty is BIS and infused is still better then max Stam.
Hmm, how does Veiled compare with Tsogvin or AY? I only ask because I'm planning on using briar for now until I have either of those sets. Don't really want to spend gold and crystals on Veiled if I'm just going to replace it anyways...
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Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭I play Lokkestiiz+Tzogvin.
I hate relequen so I use Perfected Lokkestiiz instead, on body. And Tzogvin 2H/Jewelry. I use Tzogvin because I need crits, (2H lacks it), and I don't have room on my bar for the trap. I used Veiled Heritance before and that's a very good choice.
Stamsorc. I do about 37k on 3M without fracture, and 71.5k on 21M Trial dummy.My 3 million parse sits around 52k, my 6 mil was around 48.5k, and my 20 mil was 73.5k.
Is that a regular 20M or the trial dummy 21M one? Because if it's that, I'm confused as to why you only have about 2k more than me while on 3M it's 15k higher.Edited by Elwendryll on June 25, 2019 3:15PMPC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
You can buy veiled heritance at guild stores, pretty cheap because everyone is thinks it is bad because of the physical resistance set bonus. Yes you will have to transmute all the jewelry too, but you would have to do that with all the other sets too, bloodthirsty is BIS and infused is still better then max Stam.
Hmm, how does Veiled compare with Tsogvin or AY? I only ask because I'm planning on using briar for now until I have either of those sets. Don't really want to spend gold and crystals on Veiled if I'm just going to replace it anyways...
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/422268/a-comprehensive-guide-on-damage-dealing-in-elder-scrolls-online/p1I wanted to add a stamina set comparison, because many people say that advancing yokeda is best, or that ravager is best, or that veiled heritance is best. This shows a full set comparison between those three sets and the respective average damage values you get:
So you see that they are extremely closer to each other, and therefore it is basically not important which one you use. Ravager fluctauates quite strongly in its uptime, veiled heritance and yokeda can reach almost 100% uptimes, but their uptimes are very comparable in long-term fights. To prevent people from saying that this is biased becasue nightblades and templar s have more critical hit damage, here's another comparison for a stamina nightblade:
In all scenarios, Hunding's rage came out on top. This is only logical, because Relequen's main source of damage is the proc set it has, and that is not included in the scenario. The rule there is quite easy: If you have to change the target frequently (and by that I mean within less than ~8 to 10 seconds) or can not hit the target reliably with light attacks constantly, then relequen will not be a good option. If you can stay on one boss permanently, then you can use it and it will be better than hunding's rage, given that you have the perfect version. If you only have the normal one, these values increase by roughly 50%.
on Tsogvins, if you can run trap, that is sustain it and have good(read 90%+) uptime on it, Tsogvins is not that good. the set is made for bow/bow builds.
good thread on it- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454591/initial-thoughts-on-tzogvin-s-warband/p1Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 25, 2019 4:42PM0 -
RT_Frank✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
This is an awesome thread explaining gear and sets! I'm pretty shocked at how close Veiled is to AY (same with Ravager but that is 60% uptime which I've heard is difficult on a non-stamplar. This really makes Veiled an interesting set.on Tsogvins, if you can run trap, that is sustain it and have good(read 90%+) uptime on it, Tsogvins is not that good. the set is made for bow/bow builds.
good thread on it- https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454591/initial-thoughts-on-tzogvin-s-warband/p1
Are there any dps tests comparing Tsogvins and Veiled or AY? I still feel like Tsogvin is a top contender especially after reading this comment on the above thread about TsogvinActually I have to take this back.
Since it now stacks on critical damage instead of light attacks only, it is a very good alternative as a front bar set.
1. Trap is very expensive.
2. It frees up a bar slot on classes that need one.
3. The opportunity cost are basically the damage from trap + ~3% critical vs. the damage of an additional execute/spammable/dot and the sustain gain you get from that.
4. In movement-heavy instances it is very difficult to gain 100% minor force.
5. It has a higher margin for error due to the 10 second duration and thus does not fall off.
It might not be the 100% best set for single target dps on a dummy, but it is very much worth it in application.0 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elwendryll wrote: »I play Lokkestiiz+Tzogvin.
I hate relequen so I use Perfected Lokkestiiz instead, on body. And Tzogvin 2H/Jewelry. I use Tzogvin because I need crits, (2H lacks it), and I don't have room on my bar for the trap. I used Veiled Heritance before and that's a very good choice.
Stamsorc. I do about 37k on 3M without fracture, and 71.5k on 21M Trial dummy.My 3 million parse sits around 52k, my 6 mil was around 48.5k, and my 20 mil was 73.5k.
Is that a regular 20M or the trial dummy 21M one? Because if it's that, I'm confused as to why you only have about 2k more than me while on 3M it's 15k higher.
@Elwendryll
It's the trial dummy.
The reason most likely for my higher 3 mil is because I can burn through the last 25% very easy with 3 bloodthirsty and whirling blade, not to mention I get 15% damage done from my warden passives. I usually get 35-40k crits when it's below 15%
Also keep in mind I'm using rele and your using lokk. So you had 15% more damage on the 20 mil where as I didn't use the synergies at all during that fight. On the 3 mil unless you were still being fed synergies then that would account for the damage difference too.
Honestly looking back I probably would have gone with veiled instead of briar. But the daggers were 150k a piece and I found both my briar daggers for 10k each. Also the jewelry was more expensive too (80-100k for veiled, 60-75k for briar)Edited by Casul on June 27, 2019 2:30PMPvP needs more love.0 -
norrisnick✭✭✭Elwendryll wrote: »I play Lokkestiiz+Tzogvin.
I hate relequen so I use Perfected Lokkestiiz instead, on body. And Tzogvin 2H/Jewelry. I use Tzogvin because I need crits, (2H lacks it), and I don't have room on my bar for the trap. I used Veiled Heritance before and that's a very good choice.
Stamsorc. I do about 37k on 3M without fracture, and 71.5k on 21M Trial dummy.My 3 million parse sits around 52k, my 6 mil was around 48.5k, and my 20 mil was 73.5k.
Is that a regular 20M or the trial dummy 21M one? Because if it's that, I'm confused as to why you only have about 2k more than me while on 3M it's 15k higher.
@Elwendryll
It's the trial dummy.
The reason most likely for my higher 3 mil is because I can burn through the last 25% very easy with 3 bloodthirsty and whirling blade, not to mention I get 15% damage done from my warden passives. I usually get 35-40k crits when it's below 15%
Also keep in mind I'm using rele and your using lokk. So you had 15% more damage on the 20 mil where as I didn't use the synergies at all during that fight. On the 3 mil unless you were still being fed synergies then that would account for the damage difference too.
Honestly looking back I probably would have gone with veiled instead of briar. But the daggers were 150k a piece and I found both my briar daggers for 10k each. Also the jewelry was more expensive too (80-100k for veiled, 60-75k for briar)
A stamden also has fracture and minor berserk baked in. Both buffs that the iron atro provides along with the synergies.0