twev wrote: »

FixedBlade123 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

If you have an ESO+ subscription (which is what I assume you mean by 'gold membership', since there is no such thing in ESO) then you do not need to buy the DLC.

They will show up as being purchasable in the store because you have the option to buy them if you wish - so you'll still have access to those areas if you cancel ESO+, but as long as your subscription remains active you will be able to access them without purchasing.

I have ESO+ and a gold membership (which I assume is with Microsoft). I pay my $15.00 per month dutifully but had to purchase Summerset, Clockwork, Elsweyr, etc. I got the earlier DLC with the subscription but not the later DLCs.

Clockwork, Summerset, and Elsweyr are 'Chapters', not DLCs, which is why you/we had to buy those separately.

I've been paying the dues/sub since release, too, and I had to buy those chapters as well.

If it makes you feel any better, I believe that chapters become DLCs a year after they're released, but it doesn't come into play with paying a sub, so I don't KNOW if that's written in binary stone.

::shrugg::
Their rules....

Clockwork isn’t a chapter although I’m sure OP was mistaken in which zone. Morrowind, Summerset and Elsweyr are the chapters. 4 updates each year, one per season, 3 are DLC’s and one is a chapter. So end of spring update last three years has been a chapter which is not included in ESO+.

twev wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

twev wrote: »

Ei8htba11 wrote: »

No

There're bugs. There seem to be more bugs now, to be sure. However, the game is more playable than not (for me, at least). Most of the bugs are momentarily annoying, but don't stop gameplay (for too long, in most cases).

They have the rest of the year planned for Elsweyr, with what... 2 more releases before next year? Doesn't sound like a crashing end. Personally, I hope it doesn't. I still enjoy the game, bugs and all.


One thing that's intrigued me, people saying vote with your wallet. ZOS is here to make money, and if ESO stops making money, they'll close the doors and make money somewhere else, no skin off their nose. I'm not trying to say that everyone should sub, perish the thought (who am I to tell you what to do with your hard earned dosh). It was just a thought.

Edit: too many 'ends' in one paragraph bugged me :P

otoh, if they want to KEEP making money - ALL they have to do is add 'Fix The Bugs' into their game plan, and actually DO it on a clear and recognizably sizable portion of the bugs that affect many people on a regular and consistent basis.

its kinda redundant to do that though, the creation of more content and the improvement of all systems automatically ends up with bugs because games are multilayered something is always bound to break no matter what you do.

They could do it for one patch and then one or two patches later a bunch of things would break because they need to overhaul things, improve things or change things to suit the current environment players desire. Bugs are inevitable its just a matter of prioritising the correct ones.

Sure, bugs are inevitable.
But that doesn't justify ignoring bugs because the most important thing is having a hug 'new content' team if the price is 'There are bugs, get over it, and btw, the existing bugs affect the new content too'.

A lot of the 'correct ones' to fix include the ones that are constantly brought up on the forums here, too....
Lots of people bringing up the same bugs.

Define ignoring bugs.

You see the thing is we have absolutely no idea what goes on in the studio and we do not know the extent of the bugs impact on the game beyond our own experience meaning we cannot know what they need to do to fix it and a majority of people who play are not developers themselves.

Its not about "getting over it" its about accepting that it takes time. I honestly dont know of any bugs that are older than 2-3 months at the most but are certainly not game-breaking either. People seem to act like every single bug in the game breaks the game.

They do fix bugs though unlike the "add crown store items but dont fix bugs" memes that are everywhere;

i.e DK molten whip was utterly broken for a little while it was honestly disgusting in PvP, tool tip of 18-19k flame damage off a single 3x stacked molten whip - it kept the stacks for the duration instead of losing the stacks on activation you could whip 19k 3-5 times with a 19k TT. I was enjoying how broken it was but wanted it fixed because it was just utterly broken even if it was fun - criting on a whip constantly with upwards of 40-60k damage (PvE). They fixed it in the last patch. What does that illustrate? Some bugs are easier to fix than others.

So much easier to say they ignore bugs when we have no grounds to prove it other than opinion which isn't proof at all.

Look I want them to fix as many bugs as they can I hate it when I die because of a bug or have to restart a run because of a bug or get killed in pvp because someones abuse a bug/glitch but its nonsense to pretend like the current situation is somehow the worst and most horrible scenario that has ever occurred in the games lifespan.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

markulrich1966 wrote: »

Bro, I'm suffering from same issues, though I must admit ZOS did something and this week it is overall in tolerable state for me, though on previous week game was literally unplayable. But just try to login in low hours... bar swaps immediate, fps stable, no notable lag, everything smooth.. it's purely server capacity issue.

I shared my full message, as it shows that it is not a capacity issue.
There server was deserted right after the update, as the update was finished after less than 2 hours (3 were announced).
So even when almost nobody is online, the lag occurs.

This corresponds to my observation, that the issues started already before elsweyr. I had switched from mothers sorrow to spell strategist for tests 2-3 weeks before elsweyr, as spell strat is optimized for light attacks. I did so, because heavy attacks were unplayable at that time. Even worse than now, when you started an attack, and killed the target, the attack still continued for some seconds. This also happened late at night, when not many people were on.

So I am convinced that many problems we actually encounter are not caused by a high amount of players, but by modifications of the code.

Another observation:
you stand at a dolmen and look around after it just was finished.
So you see many dead monsters and living players. In the past, you now would see the info-bar of each player, looking at him.
But now you see the infobar of the next dead monster. I noticed this, cause I no longer can see, if a friend is standing at the dolmen.
So there was changed something on the "layers", giving monsters a higher priority than players. Maybe this codechange has influx on performance, it is new code, the game handles things differently in locating objects.

Just a guess, but together with the observation that lag occurs even with nobody online, this is a pretty plausible reason for me.

It has been 5 years

It is more than enough to correct bug and performance

FixedBlade123 wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

If you have an ESO+ subscription (which is what I assume you mean by 'gold membership', since there is no such thing in ESO) then you do not need to buy the DLC.

They will show up as being purchasable in the store because you have the option to buy them if you wish - so you'll still have access to those areas if you cancel ESO+, but as long as your subscription remains active you will be able to access them without purchasing.

I have ESO+ and a gold membership (which I assume is with Microsoft). I pay my $15.00 per month dutifully but had to purchase Summerset, Clockwork, Elsweyr, etc. I got the earlier DLC with the subscription but not the later DLCs.

Gold membership has nothing to do with ZoS/ESO. That is strictly a Microsoft thing and you pay that to them, not ZoS

Sansoul wrote: »

FixedBlade123 wrote: »

I've been playing ESO since day one. I guess that's about 5 years or so. It's always been buggy/glitchy but never as bad as it has been since the Elsweyr DLC.
(By the way and not to get off track, I've been a "Gold" member for 5 years but still have to pay for the DLCs which are supposed to be a part of the Gold package. Correct me if I'm wrong). Anyway, it's been my habit to spend Saturdays playing ESO for most of the day. Saturday is my big day. Today is Saturday but the game is so buggy that it's nearly impossible to play. So, I'm watching TV and posting on this forum instead.

ZOS is a wealthy company. It's had 5 years to fix the mechanics of ESO but things are worse now than ever before. Twice within recent days, the system was taken down for "maintenance" (whatever THAT is) and yet nothing has been fixed or "maintained." What this tells me is that ESO is out of control. ZOS is at a loss for solutions. It's too big to fix. There's nobody genius enough to come up with a remedy. Am I wrong to assume that ESO is on its last legs? Is it dying before our eyes?

The latest basket of bugs and glitches are different than the ones I've endured for the past 5 years. We all expect a bunch of bugs but we try to ignore them and get whatever enjoyment from the game that we can. But I literally could not play the game today. I struggled through for about an hour this morning and tried again this afternoon. No go. After 5 years of complaining and reading the complaints of thousands of other players, I can't help but conclude that ZOS simply doesn't give a d**n.

Is it worth it to maintain my Gold membership? Is it worth it to invest any more time or money in ESO?

I don't see this game surviving wow classic. Half the people I meet are just killing time for its release.

The game was fine before the WoW refugees showed up, it will be fine after they leave.

Sansoul wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Sansoul wrote: »

FixedBlade123 wrote: »

I've been playing ESO since day one. I guess that's about 5 years or so. It's always been buggy/glitchy but never as bad as it has been since the Elsweyr DLC.
(By the way and not to get off track, I've been a "Gold" member for 5 years but still have to pay for the DLCs which are supposed to be a part of the Gold package. Correct me if I'm wrong). Anyway, it's been my habit to spend Saturdays playing ESO for most of the day. Saturday is my big day. Today is Saturday but the game is so buggy that it's nearly impossible to play. So, I'm watching TV and posting on this forum instead.

ZOS is a wealthy company. It's had 5 years to fix the mechanics of ESO but things are worse now than ever before. Twice within recent days, the system was taken down for "maintenance" (whatever THAT is) and yet nothing has been fixed or "maintained." What this tells me is that ESO is out of control. ZOS is at a loss for solutions. It's too big to fix. There's nobody genius enough to come up with a remedy. Am I wrong to assume that ESO is on its last legs? Is it dying before our eyes?

The latest basket of bugs and glitches are different than the ones I've endured for the past 5 years. We all expect a bunch of bugs but we try to ignore them and get whatever enjoyment from the game that we can. But I literally could not play the game today. I struggled through for about an hour this morning and tried again this afternoon. No go. After 5 years of complaining and reading the complaints of thousands of other players, I can't help but conclude that ZOS simply doesn't give a d**n.

Is it worth it to maintain my Gold membership? Is it worth it to invest any more time or money in ESO?

I don't see this game surviving wow classic. Half the people I meet are just killing time for its release.

The game was fine before the WoW refugees showed up, it will be fine after they leave.

WoW refugees were t he first players here, lulz. And are the majority.

Uh, I highly doubt that. Many people that started the game came from the ES single player games. Sure some of them played WoW but it's not the reason they are here.

I've been here since beta, I never played WoW and never will. Never played the ES games either.

WoW classic will last 6 months to a year tops. It's a last ditch effort by Blizzard to milk the last out of their dead game.

Katahdin wrote: »

Sansoul wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Sansoul wrote: »

FixedBlade123 wrote: »

I've been playing ESO since day one. I guess that's about 5 years or so. It's always been buggy/glitchy but never as bad as it has been since the Elsweyr DLC.
(By the way and not to get off track, I've been a "Gold" member for 5 years but still have to pay for the DLCs which are supposed to be a part of the Gold package. Correct me if I'm wrong). Anyway, it's been my habit to spend Saturdays playing ESO for most of the day. Saturday is my big day. Today is Saturday but the game is so buggy that it's nearly impossible to play. So, I'm watching TV and posting on this forum instead.

ZOS is a wealthy company. It's had 5 years to fix the mechanics of ESO but things are worse now than ever before. Twice within recent days, the system was taken down for "maintenance" (whatever THAT is) and yet nothing has been fixed or "maintained." What this tells me is that ESO is out of control. ZOS is at a loss for solutions. It's too big to fix. There's nobody genius enough to come up with a remedy. Am I wrong to assume that ESO is on its last legs? Is it dying before our eyes?

The latest basket of bugs and glitches are different than the ones I've endured for the past 5 years. We all expect a bunch of bugs but we try to ignore them and get whatever enjoyment from the game that we can. But I literally could not play the game today. I struggled through for about an hour this morning and tried again this afternoon. No go. After 5 years of complaining and reading the complaints of thousands of other players, I can't help but conclude that ZOS simply doesn't give a d**n.

Is it worth it to maintain my Gold membership? Is it worth it to invest any more time or money in ESO?

I don't see this game surviving wow classic. Half the people I meet are just killing time for its release.

The game was fine before the WoW refugees showed up, it will be fine after they leave.

WoW refugees were t he first players here, lulz. And are the majority.

Uh, I highly doubt that. Many people that started the game came from the ES single player games. Sure some of them played WoW but it's not the reason they are here.

I've been here since beta, I never played WoW and never will. Never played the ES games either.

WoW classic will last 6 months to a year tops. It's a last ditch effort by Blizzard to milk the last out of their dead game.

So the 1.x server I've been playing on for the last 5 years that averages 4k players on at all time (FYI in vanilla Blizzard had server caps at 2500) is going to fail?

So the estimated 1.4 million players that play on private servers every day won't last in classic?

/facepalm

Danikat wrote: »

If you have an ESO+ subscription (which is what I assume you mean by 'gold membership', since there is no such thing in ESO) then you do not need to buy the DLC.

They will show up as being purchasable in the store because you have the option to buy them if you wish - so you'll still have access to those areas if you cancel ESO+, but as long as your subscription remains active you will be able to access them without purchasing.

@Danikat @FixedBlade123 this is correct, but as @twev noted the OP may have been referring to chapters which are not covered by this and must still be bought separately.