How can Magicka necro be this bad?

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 · June 2019

Magicka necros are parsing WAAAY below other classes. The stamina version does, literally, about 50% or more damage.

How does a class get released this way? I could remain patient and hope for a buff, but then I look at magden and think that it's probably never going to happen.

I came back to the game over the excitement of the class I have been wanting to play forever. It feels great, it's fun, and it's super unique. Why allow it to wither away into obscurity? I understand that range builds should do a little bit less dps (even if Zaan is needed to "compete" which forces you into melee range) because they can continue to dps while being forced out of range, but 50%?

Why have magicka builds in general gone so long under performing? What about those who wish to compete as a caster?

Stibbons · June 2019

Magden all over again.

Oakmontowls_ESO · June 2019

It's the curse of the new class vision. Warden and Necro only get one tree of dps skills whereas the base game classes have skills and passives that help dps throughout all three trees. This compounded with almost every dps skill getting a stam morph limits mag warden and nercros to use skills from 4 skill lines (class, mage's guild, destro, psijic) whereas their stam counterparts get 6 (class, fighter's guild, psijic, dw, 2hnd, bow).

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

I feel your pain honestly. I got my magcro to 50, it's fun, it really is but it struggles and I tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Like honestly? Why give myself carpal tunnel to be an 'acceptable' magicka necromancer when I can breeze/destroy everything else much easier on my magicka sorcerer. Heck, I feel sorta the same with my Magplar too.

Cool animations only remain 'fun' for so long, that periods kinda run out for me now.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

Yes it can, I'd ask for you to prove your own statement, but really what's the point? Seems all you do on the forums is jump thread to thread trying to kickstart arguements. I'll just let you carry on trolling Mr Troll.

Neloth · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Dueling
getting good scores in BGs
killing potatoes in openworld PvP

change my mind

terrasight · June 2019

I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Overland dungeons you can clear naked these days... and with false god the necro is a trash killer without any magicka issues.

The magicka-necro has still issues on his side sure and could be a bit stronger... but it's not that bad I think. Around 80k at the trial test should be possible with a bit practice (or 89k if you are liko)...

Yes it's weaker then the sorc or magpla, but it's far from trash...

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

Neloth wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Dueling
getting good scores in BGs
killing potatoes in openworld PvP

change my mind

Dueling ? 10x easier ? And not 9x or 8x. Care to explain why ?
BGs scores ? Do you have some data to prove your 10x easier claim ?
Openworld ? 10x easier ? And not 9x or 8x. Care to explain why ?

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

terrasight wrote: »

I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Overland dungeons you can clear naked these days... and with false god the necro is a trash killer without any magicka issues.

The magicka-necro has still issues on his side sure and could be a bit stronger... but it's not that bad I think. Around 80k at the trial test should be possible with a bit practice (or 89k if you are liko)...

Yes it's weaker then the sorc or magpla, but it's far from trash...

Never said it was trash. I said its easier to play magsorc and that because of that the 'fun' of playing necro for the animations/looks is running out.

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Is this a joke? You can count on the ZoS fanbois and fangurls to rush in and protect their class. I play both sorc and necro.

Mechanics aren't buggy. Sorcs have like ZERO set up, and they can be practically BIS without being in a raid. and they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to play.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Is this a joke? You can count on the ZoS fanbois and fangurls to rush in and protect their class. I play both sorc and necro.

Mechanics aren't buggy. Sorcs have like ZERO set up, and they can be practically BIS without being in a raid. and they are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY easier to play.

Ignore him, he's just out to troll to be honest.

katorga · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

Neloth wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Dueling
getting good scores in BGs
killing potatoes in openworld PvP

change my mind

Dueling ? 10x easier ? And not 9x or 8x. Care to explain why ?
BGs scores ? Do you have some data to prove your 10x easier claim ?
Openworld ? 10x easier ? And not 9x or 8x. Care to explain why ?

I'll add PVE DPS to this 10x list too. I'm not sure there is an easier DPS rotation in the game than pet sorc.

I haven't done BG's yet with my necro, so can't answer that one.

For all other scenarios:

BB vs Haunting curse/Frags: 2.5 second + travel time vs instant cast. BB can be killed, CC'd, outrun, blocked, dodged or just fail to work. Curse is just block or purge. Frags, block or dodge.

Nothing vs Mages Wrath: necro has no access to executes

Fear totem vs streak: 2 second delayed aoe 5m stun vs instant 3 second 20x5m stun with significant damage and mobility

Skeletal Mage vs Twilight: twilight damage dwarfs Skeletal Mage. Mage is reduced by major evasion, can't be targeted, and does not heal

Skulls vs Nothing: Sorc has no spammable. But Crushing Shock has interrupt, and Imbue Weapon does more damage

Mender vs Twilight: HOT vs huge multi-target instant heal. you can LOS your mender heals; oddly you need two bar slots for mage/mender and twilight to get damage/heals.

Mystic Siphon vs Nothing. Sorc has no single target dot except twilight. But siphon is the only dot in the game you can run away from, LOS, or avoid. All other dots stick to the target and must be purged. Plus siphon requires a condition (corpse at right location) to cast, bye bye rotation.

Boneyard vs Liquid Lightning: equal, both useless in pvp and about the same in pve.

Nothing vs Dark Conversion: Sorc has hands down better sustain skill. Necro only has a stamina one, again tied to corpse mechanic, vs 1 second cast time.

Empowering Grasp vs Encase morphs: slow, roots one, DOES to minor maim. Encase is instant aoe root plus damageor major vitality, Much better.

Empowering Grasp vs Deadric prey: both buff pets 40%, but prey does not need to HIT the pets, and buffs Atro. Empowering does not buff Colossus. Plus deadric prey doubles as your delayed burst in a pet build.

Resistant Flesh vs Dark Conversion/Twilight. RF debuffs you, vs 1 second cast time for DC. Twilight is instant but heals fewer potential targets.

I don't think any mag necro could beat my Mag Sorc, and it would take less effort for me to out play a Necro with either my Sorc or my Templar. Magicka Necro might be the best zerg class for casuals though, just build ult gen and spam Colossus. But zerg Sorcs have Negate......hmmmmm. Once bugs are fixed, I think stam necro will be much, much better than stam sorc.

Illuvatarr · June 2019

One of the best Class specs in game. Speak to @DarkGottbeard for builds and strategy. Dude is an absolute hoss on the class.

jetplane_18 · June 2019

Illuvatarr wrote: »

One of the best Class specs in game. Speak to @DarkGottbeard for builds and strategy. Dude is an absolute hoss on the class.

I second this -- gott is an expert

lassitershawn · June 2019

katorga wrote: »

Mystic Siphon vs Nothing. Sorc has no single target dot except twilight. But siphon is the only dot in the game you can run away from, LOS, or avoid. All other dots stick to the target and must be purged. Plus siphon requires a condition (corpse at right location) to cast, bye bye rotation.

WTF? Siphon is a ground AoE, albeit tied to a corpse. You can also run out of Twisting Path, Elemental Blockade, Liquid Lightning/Flood, Eruption, etc... None of these stick to the target.

lassitershawn · June 2019

While magcro may have it worse than other mag classes, the problem with PvE balance in this game rn is how ridiculously overtuned stamina is. Melee stamblades/stamcros hit waaaay higher than even the highest mag DPS specs (sorcs and templars atm). You could make the "oh but ranged" argument previously even though in a *** ton of content mag just stacks in melee anyways but now that doesn't even work because you can easily match/exceed magicka ranged DPS with bow/bow.

Sets:
Lok - Way better than FGD in optimized groups even though FGD is extremely nice if you need sustain, stamina doesn't even need something like this for sustain in the first place. Because this set has replaced WM, it is much harder to optimize for mag and stam in the same group and mag can't get major slayer access near as easily.
Relequen - Crazy good if you can use it, and if you can't just slot Tzogvin, a ridiculously overloaded set with no magicka counterpart.
Velidreth - Maybe a hair less than Zaan on a target dummy but soooo much better in raid. Ridiculously easy to proc, ridiculously easy proc condition. Barely any limitations on positioning besides facing the target. I've seen it hit nearly >4k single target on the dragons in SS because multiple balls can hit which is more than Zaan could do even if Zaan could proc on them (which it can't). For some reason it has MORE range than the "best" magicka monster set.

Skills:
Reverse Slash - Broken af scaling on the cleave, I've seen nearly 30k aoe just from this ability on the ice dragon and round 4 BRP boss round. Insane on trash. Skills like this (steelnado included) also make it so already very strong specs (stamcro) have access to an execute that synergizes CRAZY well with their passives that the magicka counterpart cannot get. This and steelnado (and carve) also give stamina ridiculous AoE (better than mag outside of a destro being down and honestly even then its close).
EVERYTHING is high damage - Literally the only thing mag does better in general is light attacks buffed with a vMA staff. That is pretty much it. Some of this is the skills themselves, some of it is overtuned sets like Lok/Tzog with no mag counterpart.

With regards to survivability, stam doesn't even have it much worse, and I'd honestly say maybe better than anything but magsorc because it gets good HP and the pet heal (which I've completely replaced shield with for bar space at least). Shields are kind of trash now and vigor is easily as good or almost as good as any mag heal (plus leads to a lot of cross healing with a lot of stam). Major evasion is almost exclusively only accessible to stamina and is crazy powerful mitigation if you want it. And now, as I previously mentioned, stam can go ranged without less DPS than mag. Stam may be slightly less survivable, but in my opinion this does not justify the HUGE disparity in DPS between stam/mag (or at least stamblade/stamcro and all mag).

ChunkyCat · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Damage.

Massacre_Wurm · June 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Damage.

Lie. Sorc do not have 10x damage of magcro.

Nostrabar · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Damage.

Lie. Sorc do not have 10x damage of magcro.

Wurm, you have built a straw man and then used an ad-hominem to knock it over. Accusing someone of lying means you believe they intended to deceive. Do you have any such evidence? Or are you simply calling opinions you disagree with "lies" as a form of argument?

Sorcs being able to "do damage" 10x easier and faster does not mean Sorcs do 10x the damage, and the OP is clearly not saying that. He is clearly saying that when a sorc wants to do the same amount of damage, it requires 1/10th the effort of a Necro.

lassitershawn · June 2019

Nostrabar wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Damage.

Lie. Sorc do not have 10x damage of magcro.

Wurm, you have built a straw man and then used an ad-hominem to knock it over. Accusing someone of lying means you believe they intended to deceive. Do you have any such evidence? Or are you simply calling opinions you disagree with "lies" as a form of argument?

Sorcs being able to "do damage" 10x easier and faster does not mean Sorcs do 10x the damage, and the OP is clearly not saying that. He is clearly saying that when a sorc wants to do the same amount of damage, it requires 1/10th the effort of a Necro.

While I agree that this is subjective, I don't think most people will agree with the sentiment. I haven't played magcro yet but I learned and played a lot of magblade after first learning and playing magsorc (one pet/caster, double persorc/HA sorc is a joke) first. I thought magblade was about twice as hard to learn, and after learning it, felt that magsorc took about 75% of the effort as magblade to play well. Magblade is generally considered the hardest mag spec so unless magcro is REALLY hard, 10x just seems like a huge exaggeration at face value. I imagine this is what others are thinking when they accuse the guy of lying without really thinking about it too much.

That said, magcro is ridiculously undertuned, stamina in general is ridiculously overtuned atm (endgame PvE, raiding specifically before anyone takes this out of context), and it is a bit absurd that magcro can be a hard-to-play class with little reward (same can be said to some extent of magblades too after recent nerfs).

Ixilith · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

How is it a lie that I have a 10x easier time on my magsorc than my magcro? I have both classes, I love both classes, not even entitled to say one is clearly easier and more efficient over the other for me?

Are you honestly that easily triggered? Don't worry they're not about to nerf sorcerer and not enough people read the forums so your big e-peen ingame is safe too, *** hell.

As for your question, I have about 10x an easier time doing my sorcerer's rotation. 10x easier time in veteran dungeons with my shield and my slot-and-forget matriarch and familiar. I also have 10x easier time running overland public dungeons and etc, slot boundless storm and my power surge and run from start to finish damaging and healing without having to worry.

Yeah, 10x easier than my magicka necromancer which I still find FUN but 10x easier and faster for me. But yeah my -opinion- and my -own experience- is a 'lie'.

"Lie" is my statement about your statement. Having both classes , loving both classes and entitlement is irrelevant. Only arguments and examples matter.

I am triggered ? Nice projection.

10x easier time doing public dungeons ?
So you talking about subjective , feelings based things ? Ok , no more questions.

And yes your "opinion" and "expirience" is a lie. Because sorc cant do WHATEVER you doing 10x easier/faster. You cant clear dungeon 10x faster , you cant get 10x more dps, etc.

You feel 10x better playing sorc ? You should said that. Not making false statements.

I’m confused to the hell your going on about.

Magsorc is easier to play then magecro, it also doubles magnecros dps, which in turn makes it easier to do the same dps as one as a mag Necro needs to be good to pull it off where the bad sorc is already at his numbers.

Your complete focus over the fact he said 10x is ridiculous, it was clearly a overexaggeration to make his point, anyone could see that a mile away.

Anhedonie · June 2019

Magden #2
Blame class designers.

Seraphayel · June 2019

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

tried just playing it for the 'fun of it' but there comes a point where it's NOT fun knowing whatever I'm doing on my magcro my magsorc can do 10x easier/faster.

Lie. What exactly can magsorc do 10x easier and faster ?

Pet Sorc. You basically have to do barely anything to achieve the highest Magicka DPS in game. Magcro is the exact opposite.

ImSoPro · June 2019

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Seraphayel · June 2019

80k DPS where, a stationary dummy where corpses land 100% of the time and you doesn’t have to move the slightest?

And I‘m still not convinced that giving 150% while getting out an effective 75% can be considered as “l2p/not so easy to play“.

leokafilyeb17_ESO · June 2019

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

ImSoPro · June 2019

leokafilyeb17_ESO wrote: »

ImSoPro wrote: »

I really don’t understand everyone’s gripe with magcro. My magcro is a beast. Yes Magcro will not out DPS magsorc or even magplar but that doesn’t mean it’s weak overall. Also doesn’t mean you can’t win vs a stronger class. You can still hit 80k + on a magcro. I think a lot of people just need to learn the class and rotation. Magcro has a very dynamic rotation which I think is what puts people off, and can be built a variety of ways. I’m currently still working on the best/easiest possible roto. Sounds like people just want an easy to use class. Personally I like the challenge of mastering a tough class. Magsorc is very effective with a very basic rotation also. Toooo much complaining on here.

Dynamic =/= buggy. Don't call the rotation dynamic because you have to mess it up 50% of the time due to blastbones bugging out or an animation getting stuck.

Furthermore, what is this stupid arguement of 'you guys don't like a challenge/its too hard for you'? Lol if you have so much fun making things difficult for yourself, play without a weapon or something, EXTRA CHALLENGE! Right? The point is, if I enjoy being able to dish out a lot of damage, I'll pick Sorcerer because yes, I get to do just that or 50% of the effort, it's a breeze.

It's just a shame because I prefer the Necromancer thematically. That's what the 'complaining' is all about for you people who don't seem to understand. Yeah, your fine with the class, you wanna do an awkward buggy rotation and give yourself carpal tunnel to do the same damage I do on my pet sorc while having shields and a free heal slot you'll never have. Kay, great, go back to playing?

Meanwhile, other people I think are allowed to voice they feel disheartened because they want to play Necromancer but not suddenly feel like they're playing a class that's difficult to play with but offers very little in return for your effort.

P.S. Nothing said applies to stamina, we all know that's meta atm.

First off, I never said “you guys don’t like a challenge/it’s too hard for you” I simply stated that I MYSELF likes the challenge of mastering a tough class, because the class as we all know is harder to use than others. I get enjoyment out of running through cyro and BGs(mainly BGs atm)wrecking on a class the majority of people don’t like/can’t use.

Secondly, my blastbones works fine 95% of the time. Occasionally it will just follow the enemy and have a delayed explosion which is annoying cause timing is everything with these rotations. That’s rare in my case though. Most of the time it works great and does great damage. So speak for yourself as far as messing up the rotation 50% of the time goes. More like 5% for me and you also brought up shields? Yeah necro has no class shields so what. You work around it and substitute. I use harness magicka and I also have concentrated barrier when blocking to add another shield on top of that. Just because the class doesn’t offer it doesn’t mean you can’t have it in your roto.

Lastly, yes people can voice their opinions. But after reading a lot of discussions about magcro on here it really just comes down to people don’t like having to do so much with the rotation and if that’s the case then this just isn’t the class for you. I play sorc and necro btw so no bias I just enjoy different play styles.

ImSoPro · June 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

80k DPS where, a stationary dummy where corpses land 100% of the time and you doesn’t have to move the slightest?

And I‘m still not convinced that giving 150% while getting out an effective 75% can be considered as “l2p/not so easy to play“.

Well that’s true about the dummy but the dummy buffs everyone’s DPS anyway due to the reason you just stated. And I disagree with the 150% effort for 75% in return argument. I just feel like since the rotation can be built in a variety of ways it’s all about finding the right roto for yourself instead of maybe following another build from YouTube or somewhere. I still haven’t found the perfect roto yet but it’s definitely getting there.