Have you received harassment from others due to ESO Logs?
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JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
You missed the thread from the person who was totally outraged that the esologs would allow people to steal his ultimate perfection build. He put hard work into coming up with it, and esologs would allow everyone to duplicate his build......3 -
x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok, so haven't messed with eso logs really but for everyone doubting people about stopping to upload logs in the middle of raids, it does have a feature to do it automatically.
From the eso log site:
Two Kinds of Logging
There are two ways you can choose to log. The first is to upload the entire log file after your raid is over. The second way is to do what we call live logging. In this model, the client monitors the log file and whenever it sees new events tacked on to the end of the file, it sends those events up to the Web site. The live logging mode is great for when you want to study wipes right after they happened to see what went wrong.
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RogueShark✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherFrancisCrawford wrote: »RogueShark wrote: »No, but I have had to "harass" someone.
Sorc healer in a guild vSS run. They were struggling horribly on the ice boss. The healer left the run, no kill.
Group cleared the boss with another healer and officers looked over logs later to see where the issues were for improvement.
That healer who left was healing cages...
With mage's wrath.
And force pulse.
And crushing shock (nothing to interrupt on that fight...)
So of course, I tried to talk to her to make suggestions etc.
Got raged at. Guess I harassed her.
Edit: typos.
Force Pulse and Crushing Shock in the same build?
Impulse*
My b.PC NA
Will heal DPS for memes.0 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsNo. Because we don’t have them on console. Yolo0 -
Ratzkifal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtherLol, what kind of thread is that? ZOS clearly stated that the feature, due to demand, would now be set to annonymous on default. We got what we wanted and harrassement can't happen unless you allow it to.This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.1 -
AWinterWolf✭✭✭✭OtherSince I run with guildies 90% of the time, or do random normals, I just don't look, no need to.@AWinterWolf, PC EU.
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Completed:
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsCage_Lizardman wrote: »However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
I've yet to see anyone doing this in a dungeon. Horribad players are still getting kicked in harder dungeons and you don't need esologs to tell who's being bad. Also if someone wants to harass people simply for having bad dps, they don't need esologs to do it. Half of vet pugs probably have a dd doing about 10k. Harassing all of them would be a full-time job.
I'm sure this guy thought he was being harassed, but some people just can't take some polite advice. He introduces himself with a whisper after a vRoM pug was abandoned by everyone but him:
[17:17] @xxxxxxxx: u stupid?
[17:18] Cage_Lizardman: nope
[17:21] Cage_Lizardman: i'd recommend 20k dps for vet dlc dungeons btw
[17:21] @xxxxxxxx: Want to *** me at least be good im pulling 40% of grp dmg ***
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: this is a necro, i'm still learning to play
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: still had twice the damage you had
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: Go on chat some more ***
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: nah kid
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: https://www.esologs.com/reports/DRVWZzvA6T3KJQX8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=2
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: you cant pull 80% grp dmg if im pulling 40
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: dumb *** do the math
[17:23] Cage_Lizardman: shouldn't you go back to school and learn what math means before using such words?
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: Oh im sorry i didn't relise you cant do simple maths. 40 = 80 = 120
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you weren't doing double
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you cant do 120% dmg
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: if i was 40% healer and tank make up myb 30 between that means you did 30%
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: So yh i do know maths now stfu kid
[17:25] Cage_Lizardman: those aren't exactly the numbers i'm seeing
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: cause your stupid
I'm guessing combat metrics is less accurate than Esologs and that's what he was looking at when he thought he was doing 40%? Mine was saying about 60%.
I really like the data you get from esologs. I've been uploading just about everything to compare, try to understand it and see what I can learn from it. I don't have the best dps, but I'm not worried about what someone else thinks about my skill at a game and think the transparency is interesting.
As the tank I won’t have a clue, and i saw this too often, srsly zos, just display it all the time already.1 -
rootimus✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsThere is a difference between "you could try X, Y, and Z to improve performance" and "fkn noob, git gud, l2p :kicked from superuberleetgodsgroup". Granted some players don't want to hear it, so any advice offered will be considered by them to be harassment/bullying, but how its delivered can effect how it is perceived.
What you describe sounds a fair bit like being a jerk, but that's not harassment. In fact, being kicked from the group prevents it from turning into harassment, unless said jerk then continually follows up with whispers in a similar vein, and makes a point of unloading on the other player every time they wind up in a group together.
Words have meaning. Video game forums (this one in particular) like to resort to words like "harassment", "toxic", etc without any regard for what actually constitutes those things. Why? I don't know.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.2 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsI was been kicked out of nHRC for being anonymous in the logging, the third week after the patch. The group did the first set of trash mob and then, the lead called a wait, then after a few minutes I was told to enable it or I would be kicked. This was a PUG in Craglorn, and not any guild event. I was the 4th player to join the group, in the LFG chat and the group chat and prior to the first mob there was no mention the logging needed to be not anonymous. I asked if it was guild event, was told no, the lead was insistent that it be on. I left.
*** players will be *** no matter how many or few of these sorts of things are in the game tbh.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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rootimus✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »Lol, the government argument is even worse.
Yikes, I missed that comment. It makes for a good objective lesson, though: it's not harassment to tell someone they're an idiot for deputising Joseph Goebbels into their argument, it's calling a spade a spade.
If I trigger a dungeon boss too soon and wipe the whole group out because I'm a dumbshmuck, calling me a dumbshmuck it perfectly warranted and is no way any kind of harassment.
Edit: typographical error.Edited by rootimus on June 22, 2019 7:48PMEven on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »Lol, the government argument is even worse.
Yikes, I missed that comment. It makes for a good objective lesson, though: it's not harassment to tell someone they're an idiot for deputising Joseph Goebbels into their argument, it's calling a spade a spade.
If I trigger a dungeon boss too soon and wipe the whole group out because I'm a dumbshmuck, calling me a dumbshmuck it perfectly warranted and is no way any kind of harassment.
Edit: typographical error.
What you quote me for? I don’t care about ppl get harassed one bit. I care about information symmetry, i care for letting tank know if any damage dealer is way too noob.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.4 -
rootimus✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »What you quote me for?
Because I was directly replying to you. You're the one that spotted the really silly argument that, as I made clear in my post, I completely missed when reading the thread.
Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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MojaveHeld✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsIt's actually been really useful for my vet trials guild. Nobody has gotten harassed or shamed through it, raid leads have just used it to see what areas the group needs improvement on. It's been overwhelmingly a good thing for us.0 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?
My counter argument that Zos disagrees with you and as such changed the default for opting in to off? That is a fact that they changed it after realizing the flaw in the design, that it grabbed data from any player around you even if you are not grouped.
Or is it that you are defending a fool of a raid leader who stops the group part way through NORMAL hrc to upload the logs and kicks anyone not opted in cause that is dumb. I laughed at how sad that raid leader has to be to require logs for a normal craglorn trial.
But if that is how you fly, good for you. I do vet trials and HMs and raid with people who actually know how to use the logs. I guess we just have different raiding styles and criteria for how we raid with.3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?
My counter argument that Zos disagrees with you and as such changed the default for opting in to off? That is a fact that they changed it after realizing the flaw in the design, that it grabbed data from any player around you even if you are not grouped.
Or is it that you are defending a fool of a raid leader who stops the group part way through NORMAL hrc to upload the logs and kicks anyone not opted in cause that is dumb. I laughed at how sad that raid leader has to be to require logs for a normal craglorn trial.
But if that is how you fly, good for you. I do vet trials and HMs and raid with people who actually know how to use the logs. I guess we just have different raiding styles and criteria for how we raid with.
Zos’s decision doesn’t mean it’s the best decision, and it’s subject to future changes.
I do dlc hm trials as a tank, i don’t even check the logs, i am here to support transparency and information symmetry. I could not care less about how such raid lead treat ppl. I am not in it.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?
My counter argument that Zos disagrees with you and as such changed the default for opting in to off? That is a fact that they changed it after realizing the flaw in the design, that it grabbed data from any player around you even if you are not grouped.
Or is it that you are defending a fool of a raid leader who stops the group part way through NORMAL hrc to upload the logs and kicks anyone not opted in cause that is dumb. I laughed at how sad that raid leader has to be to require logs for a normal craglorn trial.
But if that is how you fly, good for you. I do vet trials and HMs and raid with people who actually know how to use the logs. I guess we just have different raiding styles and criteria for how we raid with.
Zos’s decision doesn’t mean it’s the best decision, and it’s subject to future changes.
I do dlc hm trials as a tank, i don’t even check the logs, i am here to support transparency and information symmetry. I could not care less about how such raid lead treat ppl. I am not in it.
Good answer trying to deflect Zos' decisions on the matter. Also, as a tank you really have no horse in the race unless you are a really bad tank. Then again, I have always taken your comments with a grain of salt considering your name.
Edit: cheerio. Off to raiding so cannot reply while raiding.Edited by idk on June 22, 2019 8:26PM2 -
Eshja✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsOnly I'm harassing myself every time I do worse than the other healer but well. At least I can see what I did wrong and what he did better.@Eshja (PC EU) Master crafter | Roleplayer | Trial scrub | Love healing ♥
My characters: Nimpys Elenmir| Narielle Telvanni | Moans-Loudly | Vivienne The Zookeeper | Zamiatająca-Ogonem | Kha'mathre | Irgret Soul-Breaker3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsLeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?
My counter argument that Zos disagrees with you and as such changed the default for opting in to off? That is a fact that they changed it after realizing the flaw in the design, that it grabbed data from any player around you even if you are not grouped.
Or is it that you are defending a fool of a raid leader who stops the group part way through NORMAL hrc to upload the logs and kicks anyone not opted in cause that is dumb. I laughed at how sad that raid leader has to be to require logs for a normal craglorn trial.
But if that is how you fly, good for you. I do vet trials and HMs and raid with people who actually know how to use the logs. I guess we just have different raiding styles and criteria for how we raid with.
Zos’s decision doesn’t mean it’s the best decision, and it’s subject to future changes.
I do dlc hm trials as a tank, i don’t even check the logs, i am here to support transparency and information symmetry. I could not care less about how such raid lead treat ppl. I am not in it.
Good answer trying to deflect Zos' decisions on the matter. Also, as a tank you really have no horse in the race unless you are a really bad tank. Then again, I have always taken your comments with a grain of salt considering your name.
Edit: cheerio. Off to raiding so cannot reply while raiding.
Take my comment anyway you want. I see you as the type of guy play with your own circle, never carry scrubs, and always tell others to do it.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I have received harassment in some form due to others looking at my logsWhen the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.2 -
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✭Anyone harassing you for that is just an insecure child to be honest.
But it does as others have said, depend on what actually constitutes harassment. Which is both subjective and perspective.
If they're just raging at you and wont stop then sure. If they're just politely telling you to improve in some way or another but you're taking it as aggression or offensive then no. But thats just my opinion.Edited by xeNNNNN on June 22, 2019 10:29PMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, I have received harassment in some form due to others looking at my logs
If they're just politely telling you to improve in some way or another
i have Never seen that happen in eso.
i strongly believe anyone other than my wife, friends, Mother, Father would be the only ones that would or even could do that.
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✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.
Lol, the government argument is even worse.
An open system is display everyone information for everyone to see, information travel both ways.
The government is the government spy on me at the same time refuse to let me spy them, information has a 1 way flow.
LOL. trying to defend your lame comment is pretty lame.
I turn mine on when I am raiding with my core team, guild or serious raid group. Outside of that I have mine off because it is none of your business as you are nothing to me.
What is laughable is you are defending the idiot raid leader the OP as with that after they stared NORMAL hrc he stopped the group, loaded up the log and then demanded people turn themselves on. Everything about that says that raid leader who formed the group from zone without telling them they had to opt in the log was not very bright.
Further, Zos disagrees with you. They changes their mind and switched the default to opt out after they discovered how poorly they designed the system. That is a fact.
Your counter argument fall flat, my point is well presented that dps meter = information symmetry, govt spying is not information symmetry.
Ofc i defend my argument unless you present good evidence and logic supporting the opposite.
You are the one trying to derail the ‘whether feature is good’, to ‘morality of such raid lead’. Maybe try focus on the topic of the poll?
My counter argument that Zos disagrees with you and as such changed the default for opting in to off? That is a fact that they changed it after realizing the flaw in the design, that it grabbed data from any player around you even if you are not grouped.
Or is it that you are defending a fool of a raid leader who stops the group part way through NORMAL hrc to upload the logs and kicks anyone not opted in cause that is dumb. I laughed at how sad that raid leader has to be to require logs for a normal craglorn trial.
But if that is how you fly, good for you. I do vet trials and HMs and raid with people who actually know how to use the logs. I guess we just have different raiding styles and criteria for how we raid with.
Zos’s decision doesn’t mean it’s the best decision, and it’s subject to future changes.
I do dlc hm trials as a tank, i don’t even check the logs, i am here to support transparency and information symmetry. I could not care less about how such raid lead treat ppl. I am not in it.
Good answer trying to deflect Zos' decisions on the matter. Also, as a tank you really have no horse in the race unless you are a really bad tank. Then again, I have always taken your comments with a grain of salt considering your name.
Edit: cheerio. Off to raiding so cannot reply while raiding.
Take my comment anyway you want. I see you as the type of guy play with your own circle, never carry scrubs, and always tell others to do it.
LOL. This comment has about as much wisdom as if you have nothing to hide type of excuse.
I run from competitive raiding to what would be a training group to a group of old friends in a social guild that only runs normal trial.
And with that diverse experience I have yet to think a raid leader as is described in the OP is smart or wise when they hold up an in progress raid as they did. I would give that fool a piece of my mind just for the fool they are wasting my time and holding up the raid. idc if they or you think they need logs to steer a group through normal HRC. All you are doing is defending a dumb raid leader.2 -
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Oh I dont know I mean some people can see someone under performing and ask if they would like tips or something like that. I've asked a few people not because I think I am better than anyone or anything but because I know what its like to play the game and have absolutely no clue and nobody willing to help you. I consider myself fortunate for coming across the people I have and still play with. I only usually do it with low CP players though and give 810 players the benefit of the doubt because theres a lot of instances where boss fights are just crappy as your DPS drops for silly reasons in a lot of instances.
Honestly I just listed a possibility, because people are really over-sensitive these days. Some people feel like taking in oxygen within 5 meters of them constitutes harassment these days and honestly cant say if what was said was harassment without actually seen a screen or something myself. Context, what was said vs what was interpreted and all that.
Once upon a time I struggled DPS wise in the game (years ago now) and I actually did randomly get a message from someone offering to help me if I needed it because it was clear I wasn't exactly "aware" initially. I didn't think of it as negative I thought of it as genuinely kind. But some people would take that as being all arrogant because their own pride prevents them from admitting help from more experienced players would benefit them.Edited by xeNNNNN on June 23, 2019 12:22AMAh, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsWhen the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
I've seen it happen a couple of times.
Is there any evidence of those Reddit blacklists? Or anything more serious that occasional hate whispers?Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 23, 2019 12:43AMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
You can just anonymize yourself from logs.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsJayman1000 wrote: »When the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
You can just anonymize yourself from logs.
This is obviously an illusion. Class-resource-role-cp is shown in log, so even if you anonymous in majority of cases it is elementary to tell who is who. So people with who you did dungeon/trial can easily figure out who was possible weak point points for improvement, it's not about basic things like dps or number of deaths - eso logs shows everything.Edited by MartiniDaniels on June 23, 2019 1:23AM2 -
Apox✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logs
Well, he wouldn't shut up about it for the whole trial, so I guess in a sense. I'd rather call it a small annoyance, but still.
So he was uploading the log after every fight? Calling BS yet again.
Hi @reprosal . Personally I love esologs, but Id like to introduce you to the live log feature.
Continuous with its name, it logs and uploads data to the website in real time, aka as soon as you exit combat, that combat encounter is uploaded.
esologs has been an outstanding tool, but we should all strive to not be ignorant on these things. You obviously havent even opened the esologs uploader, because its right there. Like how can you miss it
So try not to be an *** unless youre 100% certain how things work. Hell, just try not to be an ***.Edited by Apox on June 23, 2019 5:16AM6