[Magicka NB] Idea for out of stealth playstyle build

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

I'm not sold on that necro/crafty all recovery glyph thing. Yeah your mag looks good and you have decent regen but I don't think it's the best way or only way to build. Plus why in the world are all of you talking about bloody mara. There is a better trifood to run and a better drink to run if you're using btb.

Also I'm not exactly sold on the brp resto. It's nice and buff's your heals yeah. But. It's a bar space and you have to run a front bar one bar damage set like spinner, spell strat, warmaiden, etc. You should never run brp or a arena weapon if you're pushing a max stat build. That mana loss is going to be a major annoyance on bar swap. Also it brings more bar space problems into play with having to slot 2 shields, or drop annulment and prey you don't get burst before healing ward cloak can save you. I think you're better off sticking with annulment and dark cloak it's more reliable.

All in all I guess I'm trying to say is yeah the maxmag build build can work but it's not by any means the only way to build mag blade at the moment

Seenoevil · June 2019

2 pcs Troll king,

5 Permafrost jewels all infused 2 spell dam 1 mag recov
Heavy chest and legs

5 pieces willows path flame destro front, and 2h back

Tri recovery drink with the steed mundus

Enjoy,

CaliMade · June 2019

Mag blades are low-key Busted AF right now😂

Necro-Crafty Alfiq-Pirate Skeleton

Dark Cloak Swallow soul for heals with harness magic

the mitigation of dark cloak mixed with shade minor maim and Merciless Stacks makes mag blade tanking machines and Pirate skeleton on top of that and Your playing the most broken spec in cyro.

All of you nb mains need to run this setup and Get good at it so Zeni can nerf it next patch. I haven’t played magnb in a while but im maining this until they nerf it. Magblade mitigation is really over the top

i fear when Stamnbs figure out how to stack their mitigation like this because they have access to the exact same skills with more healing and Mobility.

Iskiab · June 2019

I’m not a fan of crafty either, it’s just new so people are trying it out, Necro or BTB are more stat dense.

Reason for Mara vs spring loaded infusion, Mara gives a sizeable amount of extra health and mag. Under 23k health feels a heck of a lot more squishy then 25k.

I play no-CP so sp > max mag, maybe if I played CP I’d like spring loaded and crafty more.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I’m not a fan of crafty either, it’s just new so people are trying it out, Necro or BTB are more stat dense.

Reason for Mara vs spring loaded infusion, Mara gives a sizeable amount of extra health and mag. Under 23k health feels a heck of a lot more squishy then 25k.

I play no-CP so sp > max mag, maybe if I played CP I’d like spring loaded and crafty more.

I play cp and I run btb on body. I just remembered I actually pm you the build I'm running atm. Save myself from posting it on here but with spring loaded my stats sit at 38k mag 27k hp 17k stam

I just feel that losing that little bit of max hp is minor compared to the 5k stam you gain in return

I do only really solo in cp pvp, I play some bgs but for the most part I'm a cyro guy so that stam is huge. With phantasm snare removal and path I have to stay very mobile and sprint/roll a lot to dodge zergers, get to my Los or shade distance. That stam gained to me is a must have imo

Iskiab · June 2019

That makes sense. I think it’s no-CP where burst is moreso an issue so a low health pool can make a build unplayable.

If you’re sitting at 27k with spring loaded then yea, that would be a better choice.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

It really all comes down to play style. I have a feeling a lot of newer mag blades get the impression that you throw on that gear and get carried by annulment and dark cloak. They tried to play it like a second-tier sorc and it just doesn't work that way. The build is viable but there are many other ways to still play mag Nightblade and be very successful. One of the best magblade I know on pcna told me they were running clever alchemist. That may work very well for their style but I do not enjoy basing my burst around my potions. Mag Nightblade is not exactly the class where you throw on meta gear and play you need to experiment with different styles and fits your Gear 2 how you enjoy playing

thankyourat · June 2019

CaliMade wrote: »

Mag blades are low-key Busted AF right now😂

Necro-Crafty Alfiq-Pirate Skeleton

Dark Cloak Swallow soul for heals with harness magic

the mitigation of dark cloak mixed with shade minor maim and Merciless Stacks makes mag blade tanking machines and Pirate skeleton on top of that and Your playing the most broken spec in cyro.

All of you nb mains need to run this setup and Get good at it so Zeni can nerf it next patch. I haven’t played magnb in a while but im maining this until they nerf it. Magblade mitigation is really over the top

i fear when Stamnbs figure out how to stack their mitigation like this because they have access to the exact same skills with more healing and Mobility.

That’s really because pirate skeleton is broken. There are some good possible build combinations for magblade this patch which is good because last patch the class was pretty bad. I wouldn’t say it’s broken though. Magsorc, Magdk, magplar, stamblade, stamdk, and stamden are all still better than magblade. They all are capable of being more tanky due to having better healing. Even with dark cloak and merciless all the classes I listed will still be much more difficult to kill.

Insco851 · June 2019

NightAngel690 wrote: »

You’re kind of way behind of the “meta” aka the build everyone uses..Armor master bright throats has been the way to go since murkmire dropped tbh. But, lately, you don’t really need to run a defensive set like armour master anymore. It’s now switched to crafty Alfiq and necro or craft and btb. Basically, here’s the build almost everyone is running:
5 crafty alfiq (body or jewelry and weapons)
5 necro (for shade/shadow rend builds) or 5 bright throats boast (no shade)
Either 2 blood spawn or 2 shadow rend depending on the other 5 set you’re running.
1 blackrose resto back
All damage glyphs.

The armour master build is simple as well:
5 Armour Master back bar
5 necro body
1 will power infused inferno with shock glyph
2 shadowrend/bloodspawn/engine guardian

Necro gives the highest amount of damage for magtoons and AM makes you stupid tanky but again, you can get away with not running it especially if you stack magic.

Alfiq basically gives me an additional 3600 resists compared to spinners for the same pen.

It’s nice but hardly a game changer.

brandonv516 · June 2019

thankyourat wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Mag blades are low-key Busted AF right now😂

Necro-Crafty Alfiq-Pirate Skeleton

Dark Cloak Swallow soul for heals with harness magic

the mitigation of dark cloak mixed with shade minor maim and Merciless Stacks makes mag blade tanking machines and Pirate skeleton on top of that and Your playing the most broken spec in cyro.

All of you nb mains need to run this setup and Get good at it so Zeni can nerf it next patch. I haven’t played magnb in a while but im maining this until they nerf it. Magblade mitigation is really over the top

i fear when Stamnbs figure out how to stack their mitigation like this because they have access to the exact same skills with more healing and Mobility.

That’s really because pirate skeleton is broken. There are some good possible build combinations for magblade this patch which is good because last patch the class was pretty bad. I wouldn’t say it’s broken though. Magsorc, Magdk, magplar, stamblade, stamdk, and stamden are all still better than magblade. They all are capable of being more tanky due to having better healing. Even with dark cloak and merciless all the classes I listed will still be much more difficult to kill.

I don't mean any offense but this is not helpful to people reading this.

Pirate Skeleton is not broken. It is working exactly like it has worked through many updates (as intended).

Overperforming might have been the word you were looking for (though I disagree).

The only bug associated with it is the need for a costume so it prevents bar swapping from losing fluidity.

Major Protection as a whole is more valuable this patch because damage has increased, but is definitely not broken.

Insco851 · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, I used the race change tokens to check out different races for how they felt.

Went high elf -> Nord -> Breton
Have a khajit magblade alt

High elf sp was good but felt squishier along with khajit. Nord was a bust because the racial passive doesn’t proc from healthy Offering. It felt like Breton let me use one less protective, or all protective and be tankier then other races, plus I primarily heal so left my main Breton and alt Khajit.

In BGs people cc like crazy so I do miss the stamina recovery as a Breton, but am pretty sure if I changed I’d miss the good parts of Breton. I’d say my deaths are 50/50 burst from Ult dumps or executes, with the other half from running out of stam.

Yea in 1vX situations I’m getting cc’d on cooldown and leveling a Stam toon has me dodge rolling more than I should lol. Might be trying those broken Lingering+Stam pots soon! Lol

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, I used the race change tokens to check out different races for how they felt.

Went high elf -> Nord -> Breton
Have a khajit magblade alt

High elf sp was good but felt squishier along with khajit. Nord was a bust because the racial passive doesn’t proc from healthy Offering. It felt like Breton let me use one less protective, or all protective and be tankier then other races, plus I primarily heal so left my main Breton and alt Khajit.

In BGs people cc like crazy so I do miss the stamina recovery as a Breton, but am pretty sure if I changed I’d miss the good parts of Breton. I’d say my deaths are 50/50 burst from Ult dumps or executes, with the other half from running out of stam.

Yea in 1vX situations I’m getting cc’d on cooldown and leveling a Stam toon has me dodge rolling more than I should lol. Might be trying those broken Lingering+Stam pots soon! Lol

That's the difference between the dark cloak an shadow cloak play style imo. With stealth my goal was to never get ccd. With dark cloak you need a lot more stam and stam management because you're there in the open taking more stuns

thankyourat · June 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

CaliMade wrote: »

Mag blades are low-key Busted AF right now😂

Necro-Crafty Alfiq-Pirate Skeleton

Dark Cloak Swallow soul for heals with harness magic

the mitigation of dark cloak mixed with shade minor maim and Merciless Stacks makes mag blade tanking machines and Pirate skeleton on top of that and Your playing the most broken spec in cyro.

All of you nb mains need to run this setup and Get good at it so Zeni can nerf it next patch. I haven’t played magnb in a while but im maining this until they nerf it. Magblade mitigation is really over the top

i fear when Stamnbs figure out how to stack their mitigation like this because they have access to the exact same skills with more healing and Mobility.

That’s really because pirate skeleton is broken. There are some good possible build combinations for magblade this patch which is good because last patch the class was pretty bad. I wouldn’t say it’s broken though. Magsorc, Magdk, magplar, stamblade, stamdk, and stamden are all still better than magblade. They all are capable of being more tanky due to having better healing. Even with dark cloak and merciless all the classes I listed will still be much more difficult to kill.

I don't mean any offense but this is not helpful to people reading this.

Pirate Skeleton is not broken. It is working exactly like it has worked through many updates (as intended).

Overperforming might have been the word you were looking for (though I disagree).

The only bug associated with it is the need for a costume so it prevents bar swapping from losing fluidity.

Major Protection as a whole is more valuable this patch because damage has increased, but is definitely not broken.

Broken as in it’s too strong. I’ve been using the set for a while now on and off depending on my build and it has flat out carried me through a few situations even after being outplayed. Being able to proc major protection passively (with a very good uptime) just by taking damage is too strong and honestly not needed because I can still survive just fine without it. though I do lose the hard carry when not using it. Even when wearing a costume though your bar swap will still not work and bug out. So in my experience both from using it and fighting against it the set is too strong.

Gilvoth · June 2019

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

Insco851 · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

I mean I get the point you’re trying to make but no-cloak mnb is a real thing unlike those other monstrosities. It works fine because you gain a strong heal+mitigation from dark cloak. The same heal that invis cloak blades tend to lack. Solid return.

Gilvoth · June 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

I mean I get the point you’re trying to make but no-cloak mnb is a real thing unlike those other monstrosities. It works fine because you gain a strong heal+mitigation from dark cloak. The same heal that invis cloak blades tend to lack. Solid return.

the only reason i play nightblade is for the stealth and cloak.
everyone on this forum has been trying to destroy that for the last few years.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

I mean I get the point you’re trying to make but no-cloak mnb is a real thing unlike those other monstrosities. It works fine because you gain a strong heal+mitigation from dark cloak. The same heal that invis cloak blades tend to lack. Solid return.

the only reason i play nightblade is for the stealth and cloak.
everyone on this forum has been trying to destroy that for the last few years.

Let the people cry

Insco851 · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

I mean I get the point you’re trying to make but no-cloak mnb is a real thing unlike those other monstrosities. It works fine because you gain a strong heal+mitigation from dark cloak. The same heal that invis cloak blades tend to lack. Solid return.

the only reason i play nightblade is for the stealth and cloak.
everyone on this forum has been trying to destroy that for the last few years.

This thread is full of mnb mains. Don’t think these are the people you are after.

exeeter702 · June 2019

Gilvoth wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

awesome!
now try to make a non dead casting necromancer
a non healing templar
a non tanking dragonight
a shieldless sorc

lets just destroy eso classes completely and remove everything those classes have.

I mean I get the point you’re trying to make but no-cloak mnb is a real thing unlike those other monstrosities. It works fine because you gain a strong heal+mitigation from dark cloak. The same heal that invis cloak blades tend to lack. Solid return.

the only reason i play nightblade is for the stealth and cloak.
everyone on this forum has been trying to destroy that for the last few years.

I have over 10k hours played on magblade starting from this games beta and have never played a cloak oriented NB in pvp. No one is trying to destroy cloak playstyles but NBs have always been more than that.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2019

NightAngel690 wrote: »

You’re kind of way behind of the “meta” aka the build everyone uses..Armor master bright throats has been the way to go since murkmire dropped tbh. But, lately, you don’t really need to run a defensive set like armour master anymore. It’s now switched to crafty Alfiq and necro or craft and btb. Basically, here’s the build almost everyone is running:
5 crafty alfiq (body or jewelry and weapons)
5 necro (for shade/shadow rend builds) or 5 bright throats boast (no shade)
Either 2 blood spawn or 2 shadow rend depending on the other 5 set you’re running.
1 blackrose resto back
All damage glyphs.

The armour master build is simple as well:
5 Armour Master back bar
5 necro body
1 will power infused inferno with shock glyph
2 shadowrend/bloodspawn/engine guardian

Necro gives the highest amount of damage for magtoons and AM makes you stupid tanky but again, you can get away with not running it especially if you stack magic.

If a magblade is running shadowrend they’re doing it wrong. You get the maim from shadow image which you’re already utilizing if you’ve got necro on. I think most magblades have caught on to pirate skeleton by now which is taking the monster set slot with bloodspawn a good alternative. I still rock skoria for BGs though, throwing debilitate and degeneration everywhere with double drain health poisons and got skoria raining everywhere ha.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2019

Also armormaster is not close to meta for magblade. Supplement your tankiness with protective jewelry and don’t waste a 5 set for that. You’re more than likely running a tanky monster set, this gives you the flexibility to run 2 damage sets such as btb/necro/alfiq/spinners and pair it up with a br resto for the healing ward nerf solution. Or just be tanky AF with fat shields.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Also armormaster is not close to meta for magblade. Supplement your tankiness with protective jewelry and don’t waste a 5 set for that. You’re more than likely running a tanky monster set, this gives you the flexibility to run 2 damage sets such as btb/necro/alfiq/spinners and pair it up with a br resto for the healing ward nerf solution. Or just be tanky AF with fat shields.

Yeah I was never sold on armor master even back bar has problems. I tried tons of builds with it and it's just....meh

Iskiab · June 2019

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

Yeah that it the best bet it has the same problems I found with armor master. I hate massive stat change in bar swap. Armor master had a big hp change and you could swap into sorcerer execute.

Insco851 · June 2019

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

Yeah that it the best bet it has the same problems I found with armor master. I hate massive stat change in bar swap. Armor master had a big hp change and you could swap into sorcerer execute.

Extra health backbar has its advantages considering dark cloak heal scales off max health. Gotta get near that 1000 per sec tick to even compete with vigor.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

That’s typically what I do. I know you like support builds you could also try out necro + trans front bar w/ BR resto. My magDK is rocking alfiq + spinners + br resto, haven’t tried yet on magblade though since necro is king.

GhostofDatthaw · June 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

Yeah that it the best bet it has the same problems I found with armor master. I hate massive stat change in bar swap. Armor master had a big hp change and you could swap into sorcerer execute.

Extra health backbar has its advantages considering dark cloak heal scales off max health. Gotta get near that 1000 per sec tick to even compete with vigor.

I'm at like 1.4 per tick but im a lizard. But still I'm sure some people get by with major stat changes just fine. It's just not my cup of tea.

Iskiab · June 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

Yeah that it the best bet it has the same problems I found with armor master. I hate massive stat change in bar swap. Armor master had a big hp change and you could swap into sorcerer execute.

Extra health backbar has its advantages considering dark cloak heal scales off max health. Gotta get near that 1000 per sec tick to even compete with vigor.

I’ve found a good way to buff it is with crit and +healing modifiers.

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

That’s typically what I do. I know you like support builds you could also try out necro + trans front bar w/ BR resto. My magDK is rocking alfiq + spinners + br resto, haven’t tried yet on magblade though since necro is king.

Think I’m going to try double weapon sets with willpower. If you had to choose one set to combine with willpower which is best do you think, necropence? I’ve been hoarding trans stones and just got the end of 30 day campaign rewards, I’ll be setting it up soon.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · June 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Insco851 wrote: »

GhostofDatthaw wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

Yeah that it the best bet it has the same problems I found with armor master. I hate massive stat change in bar swap. Armor master had a big hp change and you could swap into sorcerer execute.

Extra health backbar has its advantages considering dark cloak heal scales off max health. Gotta get near that 1000 per sec tick to even compete with vigor.

I’ve found a good way to buff it is with crit and +healing modifiers.

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

I never considered BTB plus Necro with the BRP resto staff. You’d lose a ton of magicka every time you changed bars.

In no-CP at least I’d go spinner’s front, breaking it on the back bar for the BRP resto if you use one.

That’s typically what I do. I know you like support builds you could also try out necro + trans front bar w/ BR resto. My magDK is rocking alfiq + spinners + br resto, haven’t tried yet on magblade though since necro is king.

Think I’m going to try double weapon sets with willpower. If you had to choose one set to combine with willpower which is best do you think, necropence? I’ve been hoarding trans stones and just got the end of 30 day campaign rewards, I’ll be setting it up soon.

Necro + willpower + pirate skele w/ black rose resto negating the pirate skele effect and a master destro would be pretty nasty.