Have you received harassment from others due to ESO Logs?
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West1389✭✭✭✭OtherWe just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.5 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.5 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsWe just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
And I still don’t believe at all that someone did such a thing. Show me some screenshots for that far fetched story and we can talk.1 -
Ohtimbar✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherThe fact that Anybody has already had to face harassment (probably more than actually said so in poll, since you made votes public) is proof that its a horrible idea to have no way to opt out. Its a very simple solution, which wont effect anyone who wants to use the addon properly.
This, precisely. Zos doesn't take harassment seriously. I haven't had any problems with this specific issue, but if experiences elsewhere in the game hold true, complaints will be ignored and shouted down by regressive forumites.
Edited by Ohtimbar on June 21, 2019 10:16PMforever stuck in combat2 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsWe just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.2 -
Cage_Lizardman✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsHowever, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
I've yet to see anyone doing this in a dungeon. Horribad players are still getting kicked in harder dungeons and you don't need esologs to tell who's being bad. Also if someone wants to harass people simply for having bad dps, they don't need esologs to do it. Half of vet pugs probably have a dd doing about 10k. Harassing all of them would be a full-time job.
I'm sure this guy thought he was being harassed, but some people just can't take some polite advice. He introduces himself with a whisper after a vRoM pug was abandoned by everyone but him:
[17:17] @xxxxxxxx: u stupid?
[17:18] Cage_Lizardman: nope
[17:21] Cage_Lizardman: i'd recommend 20k dps for vet dlc dungeons btw
[17:21] @xxxxxxxx: Want to *** me at least be good im pulling 40% of grp dmg ***
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: this is a necro, i'm still learning to play
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: still had twice the damage you had
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: Go on chat some more ***
[17:22] @xxxxxxxx: nah kid
[17:22] Cage_Lizardman: https://www.esologs.com/reports/DRVWZzvA6T3KJQX8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=2
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: you cant pull 80% grp dmg if im pulling 40
[17:23] @xxxxxxxx: dumb *** do the math
[17:23] Cage_Lizardman: shouldn't you go back to school and learn what math means before using such words?
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: Oh im sorry i didn't relise you cant do simple maths. 40 = 80 = 120
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you weren't doing double
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: you cant do 120% dmg
[17:24] @xxxxxxxx: if i was 40% healer and tank make up myb 30 between that means you did 30%
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: So yh i do know maths now stfu kid
[17:25] Cage_Lizardman: those aren't exactly the numbers i'm seeing
[17:25] @xxxxxxxx: cause your stupid
I'm guessing combat metrics is less accurate than Esologs and that's what he was looking at when he thought he was doing 40%? Mine was saying about 60%.
I really like the data you get from esologs. I've been uploading just about everything to compare, try to understand it and see what I can learn from it. I don't have the best dps, but I'm not worried about what someone else thinks about my skill at a game and think the transparency is interesting.9 -
Banana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No. But i havent done anything group related for quite a while. My preferred playstyle
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsI was been kicked out of nHRC for being anonymous in the logging, the third week after the patch. The group did the first set of trash mob and then, the lead called a wait, then after a few minutes I was told to enable it or I would be kicked. This was a PUG in Craglorn, and not any guild event. I was the 4th player to join the group, in the LFG chat and the group chat and prior to the first mob there was no mention the logging needed to be not anonymous. I asked if it was guild event, was told no, the lead was insistent that it be on. I left.
This isn’t harassment. People have every right to choose who they group with.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten3 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
And I still don’t believe at all that someone did such a thing. Show me some screenshots for that far fetched story and we can talk.
Exactly.
I wave the BS flag too.
A *NORMAL* HRC Pug stopped, after the first wave of trash, to upload a log?
By the time that was done, the first boss would have been dead.
Its absurd on the simple face of it.
Screenshot, or it didn't happen.3 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I was been kicked out of nHRC for being anonymous in the logging, the third week after the patch. The group did the first set of trash mob and then, the lead called a wait, then after a few minutes I was told to enable it or I would be kicked. This was a PUG in Craglorn, and not any guild event. I was the 4th player to join the group, in the LFG chat and the group chat and prior to the first mob there was no mention the logging needed to be not anonymous. I asked if it was guild event, was told no, the lead was insistent that it be on. I left.
This isn’t harassment. People have every right to choose who they group with.
Hate to say it, but I agree here. That wasn't harassment. That was poorly communicated group requirements.
Frankly speaking though, I would have left as well. Not so much because of the desire for anonymity as much as it's just generally not a good sign for group cohesion when the leader (or anyone really, but mostly the leader) is obsessing over everyone else's DPS numbers like that. Particularly on anything normal difficulty. Even trials."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."3 -
Aznarb✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsWhen the Combat Logging feature was announced many players voiced their worry that they would experience harassment due to other players being able to view their logs. They expressed concern that their names would be blacklisted on Reddit, other players would harass them after dungeons, and pug trial groups would kick them.
So out of curiosity now that the feature has been live for weeks, has anyone actually experienced any of those things?
You don't need log or mod to see if someone is bad.
And harassing someone because of it's gameplay is stupid.
Tell them they need to improve and kick, no need more.
Some will /w you to insult or crying, some have /w me to get some tips and we're now good friend.
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Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
And I still don’t believe at all that someone did such a thing. Show me some screenshots for that far fetched story and we can talk.
Exactly.
I wave the BS flag too.
A *NORMAL* HRC Pug stopped, after the first wave of trash, to upload a log?
By the time that was done, the first boss would have been dead.
Its absurd on the simple face of it.
Screenshot, or it didn't happen.
Like I said before, I wouldn't be so quick to doubt it. In the past I've seen arguments ensue over what quite literally amounted to a less than 2% difference on the damage meter numbers. Numbers that, by the way, where all so high that the boss never even got close to the first mechanic change up."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."2 -
Oliwaltony✭✭✭Okay, from a console guy, what the fu*k are we talking about? What is that log? what does it do?0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oliwaltony wrote: »Okay, from a console guy, what the fu*k are we talking about? What is that log? what does it do?
With Elsweyr, the game now allows you to log the combat statistics of your group and upload them to a website. @Cage_Lizardman has a link to an example in his post.
https://esologs.com/reports/DRVWZzvA6T3KJQX8/#fight=last&type=damage-done&phase=2"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭So are these hot logs the new try-hard pissing contest?
Pretty much.
Don't get me wrong. Logs like this can be useful tools. But yeah, in my experience they're usually just used as pissing contests more than anything."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."4 -
MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsI can't even see how you'd be harassed over this. Are we sure people claiming it know what the word actually means?
Player X tries to get a free carry through vSS dealing 12k DPS.
Run is not going smoothly.
Team checks the logs, and sees player X isn't contributing.
Team approaches player X and suggests ways they can improve their DPS.
Player X gets defensive and runs to the forums to start a thread about being harassed.Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 22, 2019 2:00AM12 -
rotaugen454✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, I have not received harassment in any form due to others looking at my logsI just tried this and I love it! I soloed Blessed Crucible on my pet sorc solo build. Its all about survival, not massive DPS since solo, but it is great at showing all the stats. Now I need to try it with a pure DPS, tank or healer and see how it looks."Get off my lawn!"1 -
witchdoctor✭✭✭✭✭
✭witchdoctor wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
And I still don’t believe at all that someone did such a thing. Show me some screenshots for that far fetched story and we can talk.
Exactly.
I wave the BS flag too.
A *NORMAL* HRC Pug stopped, after the first wave of trash, to upload a log?
By the time that was done, the first boss would have been dead.
Its absurd on the simple face of it.
Screenshot, or it didn't happen.
Like I said before, I wouldn't be so quick to doubt it. In the past I've seen arguments ensue over what quite literally amounted to a less than 2% difference on the damage meter numbers. Numbers that, by the way, where all so high that the boss never even got close to the first mechanic change up.
What I *specifically* doubt in this story is a random PUG, in a *NORMAL* HRC, all bothered to wait whilst someone uploaded a log, off the *FIRST* trash pull. When, in that same time, the first boss would have already died.1 -
Glurin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭witchdoctor wrote: »witchdoctor wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
And I still don’t believe at all that someone did such a thing. Show me some screenshots for that far fetched story and we can talk.
Exactly.
I wave the BS flag too.
A *NORMAL* HRC Pug stopped, after the first wave of trash, to upload a log?
By the time that was done, the first boss would have been dead.
Its absurd on the simple face of it.
Screenshot, or it didn't happen.
Like I said before, I wouldn't be so quick to doubt it. In the past I've seen arguments ensue over what quite literally amounted to a less than 2% difference on the damage meter numbers. Numbers that, by the way, where all so high that the boss never even got close to the first mechanic change up.
What I *specifically* doubt in this story is a random PUG, in a *NORMAL* HRC, all bothered to wait whilst someone uploaded a log, off the *FIRST* trash pull. When, in that same time, the first boss would have already died.
I've seen all kinds of PUGs. Sure, many wouldn't have that kind of patience. Although, patience may not be the right word for it. But I have seen others that would wait."He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster...when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes into you..."0 -
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✭✭✭✭RogueShark wrote: »No, but I have had to "harass" someone.
Sorc healer in a guild vSS run. They were struggling horribly on the ice boss. The healer left the run, no kill.
Group cleared the boss with another healer and officers looked over logs later to see where the issues were for improvement.
That healer who left was healing cages...
With mage's wrath.
And force pulse.
And crushing shock (nothing to interrupt on that fight...)
So of course, I tried to talk to her to make suggestions etc.
Got raged at. Guess I harassed her.
Edit: typos.
Force Pulse and Crushing Shock in the same build?2 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nobody really cares about the logs to be honest. Only using them in our raid group. And there is no point to harass. Well. If DD a does a bad job, of course we will troll him for it for a little while. But that is just normal within friends
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »We just need to take it as criticism. It helps us get better as players. Sure some could be harsh but deep down they have good intentions. When im.told to just die I say thanks I'll work on my tank.
What OP is pointing out is not criticism but a sign that this new feature can and will be abused.
In fact OP does not mention any criticism. He mentions someone was not smart enough to tell people when forming a group they needed to not be set to anonymous and stopped the group while they uploaded the logs.
All this for a normal HRC which is completely laughable.
However, as I pointed out above, some of the raiders that were circling the wagons to protect these logs said people would not be stopping in the middle of a run to upload the logs so it is not something that will be an issue and they have not been proven wrong. If they will do it for normal craglorn trials we will find some doing it in dungeons. It is silly to think otherwise.
Working as intended, don’t hide information if you have nothing to hide.
LOL. This is always a lame argument. Right up their with the absurdity that you should have no issues with government snooping in on all your calls and communication if you have nothing to hide.
But that is exactly the how those raiders were. They could care less how it impacted the game as long as they got their toys. You seem to not care either.8 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »RogueShark wrote: »No, but I have had to "harass" someone.
Sorc healer in a guild vSS run. They were struggling horribly on the ice boss. The healer left the run, no kill.
Group cleared the boss with another healer and officers looked over logs later to see where the issues were for improvement.
That healer who left was healing cages...
With mage's wrath.
And force pulse.
And crushing shock (nothing to interrupt on that fight...)
So of course, I tried to talk to her to make suggestions etc.
Got raged at. Guess I harassed her.
Edit: typos.
Force Pulse and Crushing Shock in the same build?
Good catch. That does not make sense. Either they do not know what they are looking at or that person is making things up as they go.1 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭In my raid group, our tank called me and the other healer plebs, because he had higher HPS on Fire Boss HM than both of us.....Most OwOrated healer of all time2 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »
There is a difference between "you could try X, Y, and Z to improve performance" and "fkn noob, git gud, l2p :kicked from superuberleetgodsgroup". Granted some players don't want to hear it, so any advice offered will be considered by them to be harassment/bullying, but how its delivered can effect how it is perceived.
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