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Remove silence give incap major vulnerability for 5 seconds.
Shadowasrial
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I think this would be a great change to incap. It gives us the extra damage we look for in ganking the nice 5 seconds of burst and of course it doesn’t limit the healing of the target. Now they just have to evade us for 5 seconds and if they can’t then oh well. Just give us the reave the 20% extra damage against the target on hit and the major vulnerability so they take 30% more damage for 5 seconds. No stun. This makes the incap strike very deadly if you have no ability to kite or evade. But doesn’t make it so you can’t defend yourself if you are a player who pays attention
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ccmedaddy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So you want one of the cheapest ults in the game to give you a 50% dmg buff... no.34 -
Rygonix✭✭✭✭✭Incap already grants you a unique 20% dmg increase to the target that no other class can replicate. Now you want to deal 50% more dmg to the target while letting everyone else around you nail them for 30% more? Sorry bud but I would much rather have the Silence.Edited by Rygonix on June 19, 2019 8:33PMCeres Des Mortem-Dark Elf Templar, EP
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Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok I have played nightblade since eso release on console it’s literally the only class I play. I main stamblade but I also play magblade. So I’m not against giving nb a buff but what you are asking is completely nuts and unbalanced. They should give us major defile to help against tanks and remove silence.2 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭NB is one of the best PvP class both stam and mag since wings got nerfed. I dont get all of these post asking for NB buffs and whinning about kitting the class.
Stamnb still one of the top DPS even in PvE.2 -
Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Remove the silence? Yes.
Add what you're suggesting? No that's completely insane lol
What they need to do is add the defile back and just leave the damn ability alone.2 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭Personally think they should do the following:
Death Stroke: keep as is
Incap: Remove Silence, remove reave, Increase cost to 90, add major defile, keep 20% damage buff
Soul Harvest: Keep at 70 ultimate, add reave, buff reave to 150 resources return at max level, change current ult gen mechanic to grant minor heroism, keep 20% damage buff, remove major defile
20 Extra ultimate is a big increase, and it's warranted because major defile is a strong debuff. Most who play nightblade do not want the silence. I think this is a fair trade that still leaves incap weaker than it was originally, while maintaining it's identity.
Reave moved off incap to soul harvest as another slight nerf to stamblades, while giving some strength to magblades and trying to compensate for the removal of major defile in that skill.
I think thematically, this works much better for both morphs.Knee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Make it 3 seconds, apply it to both the target AND caster, and sign me up. Haha.2 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭it already has major vuln, except as a 20% unnamed dmg buff lol.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Sanguinor2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Should we also give it a buff that kills every non nightblade in all of cyro and increases the ap gained from that by 500000%?Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
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Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don’t forget people this is against one player not 2 not 3 not a group. It is supposed to hit so hard that it makes your target say ohhhhhh shiiiiitttt all while making them *** a littleEdited by Shadowasrial on June 19, 2019 9:37PM0 -
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✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »Don’t forget people this is against one player not 2 not 3 not a group. It is supposed to hit so hard that it makes your target say ohhhhhh shiiiiitttt all while making them *** a little
So because its a single target ult its allowed to be op af? Dont see Soul assault deal 100k per tick either.Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.3 -
Shadowasrial✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Shadowasrial wrote: »Don’t forget people this is against one player not 2 not 3 not a group. It is supposed to hit so hard that it makes your target say ohhhhhh shiiiiitttt all while making them *** a little
So because its a single target ult its allowed to be op af? Dont see Soul assault deal 100k per tick either.
For good reason. 100k per second would nuke an emperor1 -
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✭✭Shadowasrial wrote: »
For good reason. 100k per second would nuke an emperor
And not giving incap Major vuln might also have a good reason.
Politeness is respecting others.
Courage is doing what is fair.
Modesty is speaking of oneself without vanity.
Self control is keeping calm even when anger rises.
Sincerity is expressing oneself without concealing ones thoughts.
Honor is keeping ones word.1 -
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✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »NB is one of the best PvP class both stam and mag since wings got nerfed. I dont get all of these post asking for NB buffs and whinning about kitting the class.
Stamnb still one of the top DPS even in PvE.
have you checked stamnecro? 20k dps gap difference between them.2 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Personally think they should do the following:
Death Stroke: keep as is
Incap: Remove Silence, remove reave, Increase cost to 90, add major defile, keep 20% damage buff
Soul Harvest: Keep at 70 ultimate, add reave, buff reave to 150 resources return at max level, change current ult gen mechanic to grant minor heroism, keep 20% damage buff, remove major defile
20 Extra ultimate is a big increase, and it's warranted because major defile is a strong debuff. Most who play nightblade do not want the silence. I think this is a fair trade that still leaves incap weaker than it was originally, while maintaining it's identity.
Reave moved off incap to soul harvest as another slight nerf to stamblades, while giving some strength to magblades and trying to compensate for the removal of major defile in that skill.
I think thematically, this works much better for both morphs.
Nah.
Find a way to tweak it that doesn't wreck its utility in PvE.xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »NB is one of the best PvP class both stam and mag since wings got nerfed. I dont get all of these post asking for NB buffs and whinning about kitting the class.
Stamnb still one of the top DPS even in PvE.
have you checked stamnecro? 20k dps gap difference between them.
Huh? 20k DPS?
It's like ... 5-7k DPS difference on the raid dummy.
And about ~4k difference across all boss fights in vSS: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&metric=dps&aggregate=amount&difficulty=1212 -
J2JMC✭✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Personally think they should do the following:
Death Stroke: keep as is
Incap: Remove Silence, remove reave, Increase cost to 90, add major defile, keep 20% damage buff
Soul Harvest: Keep at 70 ultimate, add reave, buff reave to 150 resources return at max level, change current ult gen mechanic to grant minor heroism, keep 20% damage buff, remove major defile
20 Extra ultimate is a big increase, and it's warranted because major defile is a strong debuff. Most who play nightblade do not want the silence. I think this is a fair trade that still leaves incap weaker than it was originally, while maintaining it's identity.
Reave moved off incap to soul harvest as another slight nerf to stamblades, while giving some strength to magblades and trying to compensate for the removal of major defile in that skill.
I think thematically, this works much better for both morphs.
Nah.
Find a way to tweak it that doesn't wreck its utility in PvE.
Honestly wouldn't matter if ZOS had the damage for both morphs scale with your highest stat. But ZOS is inconsistent about when they decided to design with 'play as you want ' in mind vs actually balancing around healthy game design.
That being said, could easily keep the current live version of incap and just give defile at 120 instead of silence. PVE use of of the skill remains untouched, PVP'ers get their ult back in exchange for a significant ult increase.
@LiquidPonyKnee Jerk, L2P, Obtuse, Casual, Entitled, All The Best, unnecessary mention of CoD
Battle leveling for pve content defeats the idea of progression. Remove CP
"Apparently the players are more informed than we are"-Richard Lambert0 -
LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭As a NB player, I’m in favor of the OP’s suggestion
More balanced perhaps would be to put major defile back on it, or alternatively major fracture that they removed from surprise attack.
I’d be okey with the silence if it didn’t provide CC immunity.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I’d be down for Major Vul in place of the caster-only damage buff, and just put the stun back in place of silence so it at least it’s useful against stam
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Vlad9425✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »NB is one of the best PvP class both stam and mag since wings got nerfed. I dont get all of these post asking for NB buffs and whinning about kitting the class.
Stamnb still one of the top DPS even in PvE.
Stam warden, Mag Sorc and Magplar are all over Cyrodiil and I would argue are way ahead of Stam NB in the current patch. Mag NB is probably the least used class in PvP right now. Mag NB definitely needs some sort of buff but Stam Nb needs the silence removed from incap and defile added back cos right now Dawnbreaker is just way better than incap.0 -
Darkenarlol✭✭✭✭✭
✭Shadowasrial wrote: »I think this would be a great change to incap. It gives us the extra damage we look for in ganking the nice 5 seconds of burst and of course it doesn’t limit the healing of the target. Now they just have to evade us for 5 seconds and if they can’t then oh well. Just give us the reave the 20% extra damage against the target on hit and the major vulnerability so they take 30% more damage for 5 seconds. No stun. This makes the incap strike very deadly if you have no ability to kite or evade. But doesn’t make it so you can’t defend yourself if you are a player who pays attention 0 -
DarkShadowFax✭✭✭.. let's not. If they put the stun and defile back I'd be happy enough.PC-NA | vCragHM | vDSA | Flawless | vMoLHM | vHoFHM | IR | GH | Unchained | vSSHM | DB | Spirit Slayer | vRGHM | vDSR | PvP Scrub- Zookeeper Sarena | Magicka Sorcerer
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