[POLL] 4 months after Update 21: How do you now feel about the Racial Passive changes?
Zathras
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The PTS feedback is over, the Update has been Live for 4 months, and now everyone has seen for themselves how their characters have changed. This cake has had some time to bake, and I'm wondering how palatable it is to the community.
Have you changed your race? Are you finding that the changes were beneficial to your preferred race? Or, maybe the changes were so negligible to how you play, that it didn't leave any impact.
For myself, I have always preferred a stealthy magic-user type character. So, after the Update, the Khajiit became (for me) the better alternative for that. I didn't nuke my old toons, or use a Race Change token, rather I simply re-rolled.
Edited by Zathras on June 18, 2019 8:20PM Have you changed your race? Are you finding that the changes were beneficial to your preferred race? Or, maybe the changes were so negligible to how you play, that it didn't leave any impact.
For myself, I have always preferred a stealthy magic-user type character. So, after the Update, the Khajiit became (for me) the better alternative for that. I didn't nuke my old toons, or use a Race Change token, rather I simply re-rolled.
For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams
[POLL] 4 months after Update 21: How do you now feel about the Racial Passive changes? 256 votes
Changed my race. Did not agree with the changes to my main at all. (explain why)
4%
12 votes
Changed my race. I'm a min/maxer and the bonuses of another race are now preferred.
9%
24 votes
Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.
5%
15 votes
Did not change my race. The changes were so minimal to me that there was no need to switch.
16%
42 votes
Did not change my race. The race I was playing got even better in some way.
14%
38 votes
Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.
28%
73 votes
Changed my race, but went back. The grass didn't end up being greener on the other side.
0%
1 vote
Other (please explain)
19%
51 votes
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Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)I don't care about the bosmer losing stealth, I care about the fact that the changed racial isn't any better. It would have been fine to give us a racial that all playstyles would benefit from, but It is very impractical to roll dodge for extra penetration.Edited by Aliyavana on June 18, 2019 6:25PM12 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. The changes were so minimal to me that there was no need to switch.Very satisfied with 99% of the changes, no complaining here. Great job, ZOS.PS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -4 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (please explain)Other. It has been out for one month on Xbox.
Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"0 -
ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.I want my khajiit crit chance back. Crit damage doesnt matter at all when youre below 50% because of the change.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
Quest Objective: OMG Go Talk To That Kitty!0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)Did not change my race, but also did not agree with the changes at all. I just retired my guy.4 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (please explain)Other:
I have 4 Bosmer 50+. 0 points wasted in Hunter's Eye. It is a garbage passive. Bosmer need their stealth back. Other than that (said Mrs. Lincoln) the remaining passives were good.
Argonians ought to have poison resistance in addition to their Disease resistance/effect immunity.
Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.5 -
Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)I do think that racial rebalance was a failure. It did not delivered what it promised to do. It was just a meta - shift, with some races becoming BIS at more or less all roles & type of content, some being forced to play specific role (often without being even bis or close to bis) and other races became totally useless in all type of eso content at pretty much all roles in eso.
Note: I did not changed race, I almost only play my main and changing a race is not an option.Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on June 18, 2019 6:36PM5 -
Irfind✭✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. The race I was playing got even better in some way.Stam Dunmer since day 1
PC EU no CP PVPEP Irfind - Stam NB DunmerEP Iswind - Mag Warden DunmerEP Ko'runa Silberklaue - Mag Temp KhajiitEP Eldrid Hagal - Mag DK DunmerEP Feyne R'is - Stam Sorc Dunmer ...with BowEP Wynn Loraethaine - Mag NB DunmerAD Runare Loraethaine - Stam Sorc AltmerAD Skadi Hagal - Stam DK Khajiit1 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭Changed my race. I'm a min/maxer and the bonuses of another race are now preferred.I play more than my main, though, and I really don't like the changes to Khajiit. I turns out that I am barely playing my Khajiits anymore.1000+ CP
PC/EU Ravenwatch Daggerfall Covenant
Give me my wings back!0 -
Custos91✭✭✭Other (please explain)I barely play my Bosmers, but the new passive is stupid.
I don't care about the stealth thing, I do care about the fact that the new passive is highly situational, only usefull in pvp and only to damage builds.
With the other things Bosmer got, you can only make use of this passive with a stamDPS and probably even more so only in a CP campaign.
The abbility to passively throw a mudbal at your enemy every 10 seconds would be more useful, interesting and fun.
Useful because I would not get triggered by the useless passive Bosmer got currently.
Come on, Bosmer have TONS of lore they can use, I wrote it down somewhere...
among my ideas was:
Falinesti themed passive
Silvenar and green lady themed passive
Green pact passive
Spinner passive
Founder of the first Era
I had some more somewhere....
Warden Main apparently... 7 Wardens currently, otherwise a healer of every class.
Mostly active in No CP PVP on EU, blaming the buffbot meta in pve.
I want to feel like I am saving somebodies life, not like I am carrying amunition for them...8 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)The choices were to complicated for me to the point there was not a good response.
The passives are in the best place they have been since the game launched. They should be left alone and most of the threads I have seen asking for a change just want to make their race stronger which goes against the whole idea of the passive change Zos made.2 -
Acharnor✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. The changes were so minimal to me that there was no need to switch.I just keep playing change after change, some good some bad and overall its still the same game to me! Long Live ESO!Celebrate for life is short but sweet for certain.1
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KurtAngle2✭✭✭✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.We just need a minor tuning of most underpowered/op races and we're finally good to go. Looking at you Bosmers/Redguards/Argonians and Orcs1
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Greystag✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.I actually did change my race, but not because of the balance. I just got tired of being an Altmer and wanted to be a Khajiit, so I swapped. I did wait for the balance changes to arrive on the PTS, but that was just in case they made Khajiit super bad at healing, which didn't happen and I heal fine still. I would've changed race anyways, so this is IMO the answer that best fits me.| PC / EU |
| Aspen Greystag, Khajiit Warden |
| Healer, Tank |
| CP: 2500 |
| Guilds: Officer at Meridia's Light |1 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.and at all I didnt like this change...some changes in some races was good but for many it was to bad1 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.see sig. the fact argonian hasn't been brought up a notch by now should be a warcrime.skingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other (please explain)See, here’s the thing. They don’t care if you’re happy with the changes or not. They posted a feedback thread on the PTS, got resounding disapproval, but did whatever they wanted to anyway.9 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (please explain)Vowed to not use race change before patch even happened and kept vow...
Though I might use it to edit how one of my characters look!1 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.I sometimes miss the crit chances, but I just changed my builds accordingly, and now... I can play magicka. It's priceless. I can just have all my characters be khajiit without feeling like anything is wrong.PC - EU - France - AD
Main character: Qojikrin - Khajiit Sorcerer Tank/Stamina DD - since March 25, 2015.
Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.Did not change my race, but also did not agree with the changes at all. I just retired my guy.
Did you re-roll something else in another class? Or are you on a vacation until some changes are re-visited?For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams0 -
Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Other:
I have 4 Bosmer 50+. 0 points wasted in Hunter's Eye. It is a garbage passive. Bosmer need their stealth back. Other than that (said Mrs. Lincoln) the remaining passives were good.
Argonians ought to have poison resistance in addition to their Disease resistance/effect immunity.
Are you still playing the Bosmer as a race, but without the passive? Or did the changes move you into another class (or build) to get the stealth?For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams0 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other (please explain)Changed my race only because I wanted to change the GENDER of my character. I never chase the meta as it is constantly changing.2 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Did not change my race. The changes were so minimal to me that there was no need to switch.Nothing changed for me.
I am not at the level of play where the racial bonuses are going to make a difference.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."3 -
MooseKnuckles88✭✭✭✭I switched from High Elf to Breton not because I wanted to but because the sustain on the High Elf was nearly unplayable after the race change update.6
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Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.I actually did change my race, but not because of the balance. I just got tired of being an Altmer and wanted to be a Khajiit, so I swapped. I did wait for the balance changes to arrive on the PTS, but that was just in case they made Khajiit super bad at healing, which didn't happen and I heal fine still. I would've changed race anyways, so this is IMO the answer that best fits me.
I am pretty much in the same position, except for me it was Breton. The passive changes made the Khajiit a little more magicka friendly, which gave me the excuse to give them a more serious try.For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams0 -
Urvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Did not change my race. I'm loyal to a particular race, and won't change regardless.I like the extra stam regen on Altmer since it helps when playing with low stam pools. However, I would have liked at least a bit of mag regen still.1 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.I think the racial changes were ABSOLUTELY a step in the right direction. They managed to balance them pretty well, while maintaining a good sense of flavor.
For me, the best part was changing many of the percentages to flat values. I wish they'd do this for other areas of the game.
P.S.: I'd STILL love to see the addition of well-balanced racial ultimates. I think that'd be a fun thing.0 -
Cundu_Ertur✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other (please explain)Cundu_Ertur wrote: »Other:
I have 4 Bosmer 50+. 0 points wasted in Hunter's Eye. It is a garbage passive. Bosmer need their stealth back. Other than that (said Mrs. Lincoln) the remaining passives were good.
Argonians ought to have poison resistance in addition to their Disease resistance/effect immunity.
Are you still playing the Bosmer as a race, but without the passive? Or did the changes move you into another class (or build) to get the stealth?
Still playing Bosmer, despite the changes. I refuse to change to Khajiit to be a thief because I shouldn't have to. I've adjusted my builds, to the worse, to keep some stealth. But I am worse at being a thief now than I was before.Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.5 -
Zathras✭✭✭✭✭Changed my race. A race that was underperforming in an area was improved, and now appeals to me.MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »I switched from High Elf to Breton not because I wanted to but because the sustain on the High Elf was nearly unplayable after the race change update.I like the extra stam regen on Altmer since it helps when playing with low stam pools. However, I would have liked at least a bit of mag regen still.
I agree with that. I have a (retired) MagWarden that was an Altmer, that I switched to Breton for the sustain alone.For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
It is a rare mind indeed that can render the hitherto non-existent blindingly obvious. The cry 'I could have thought of that' is a very popular and misleading one, for the fact is that they didn't, and a very significant and revealing fact it is too. - Douglas Adams1
