mikeabboudb14_ESO wrote: »

I am starting to feel a bit stagnate. I don't have the feeling that i am progressing in strength anymore and consequently i am beginning to look around for other forms of gaming. I only reached the cap a month or so ago so I cant imagine how others who have been stuck at 810 for years must feel.

People have mentioned a new system but i don't see that in the near or mid term future. So how about it ZOS a nice big CP increase so i have something to work toward.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

mikeabboudb14_ESO wrote: »

I am starting to feel a bit stagnate. I don't have the feeling that i am progressing in strength anymore and consequently i am beginning to look around for other forms of gaming. I only reached the cap a month or so ago so I cant imagine how others who have been stuck at 810 for years must feel.

People have mentioned a new system but i don't see that in the near or mid term future. So how about it ZOS a nice big CP increase so i have something to work toward.

Nope cut CP in half to make the game harder just like wow is wanting to do with their level system. When a game gets too easy then people leave out of boredom not leave because they can't get stronger.

Edziu wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Already proven cp isn’t the cause of powercreep. I can understand why it’s an issue in PvP but in pve, no logical argument whatsoever to cry about cp. I’d rather them just change cp to all flat bonuses rather than percent and continue increasing.

cp was reason to many many nerfs in game...
cp was reason why they removed from basic more crit chance because its additional crit chance in cp...
thanks to cp they raised cost of most abilities if not every
thank to cp there was many just damage, regen etc nerfs to many different things
thanks to cp additionally was nerfed sustain skills like dk helping hand, nb siphoning attacks etc, I dont belive they nerfed it all because it was jsut op...
nobody was complaining for dk helping hand, nobody was complaining for nb sipho attacks and nb wasnt in the best spot with old sipho attacks

we could have write even more things nerfed because of just cp which to late itself was nerfed but still giving enough power to not unnerfs some things

Kadoin wrote: »

I think it is time too! One more increase so the CP system implodes and finally gets removed. With 30 more CP I can make a build far worse than anything in One Tamriel.

frostz417 wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

Already proven cp isn’t the cause of powercreep.

EDIT: This is not a Rant at you per say but just generally, kinda needed to vent a bit. So dont take the "wall" as me "attacking" you in any way thats not the intent.

Thats not entirely accurate.

Each incremental increase in CP allows for incremental damage increases, sustain increases and mitigation. With each increase in the short term there is no real visible effect beyond slightly higher numbers but this creates a scenario where content continuously becomes more and more redundant which would force the devs to increase the stats across the board in many trials and dungeons and arenas on top of the scaling that exists this would lead to mechanics specifically DPS race mechanics being near impossible due to the damage mitigation being amplified on certain bosses making PvE endgame unsustainable in the long run. It would also effect certain mechanics which require full group coordination such as the twins in vMoL due to the fact that if that fight goes on for too long it will fatigue the group and someone will make a mistake this is true even for the best groups. Group fatigue should never be a reasonable risk when creating content as it can burn a lot of endgame players out the game. The CP would eventually start forcing reworks to a majority of boss mechanics forcing them to recreate the raids over and over and over.

Short term increases are a non-issue, its the implication of the long term with incremental increases. The power creep exists it just isn't visible until you consider the larger implications and impact on gameplay and mechanics in the long haul so it very much does effect PvE and not for the better.

Should also note that if the increases continued we would reach a point where CP would cease to be useful either way due to there being a limited amount of passives that are actually relevant to any real end-game. Making the whole system redundant. Stopping the CP and overhauling all of it was one of the best decisions ZoS have made in a very long time.

Diminishing returns only reinforces this position as eventually the increases would come to a stand still in terms of any real stats but this is kind of the point, they had no choice but to add diminishing returns because infinite sustain was a very large issue as it created a "easy content" loop which was destroying both end-game and PvP. On top of this they were forced to rework any and all cost reduction even sets were hit as a result.

This is all of course assuming they are overhauling it in its entirety. A rework would not suffice and would be just a band-aid fix to a much larger issue.

Building the game around CP has done the game more harm than good IMO.

Cp isn’t the cause of pve content being so easy. Whoever told you that is extremely daft and ignorant.
Pve content is so easy because of constant introduction of powerful sets such as spell stagetist, relequen, siroria, zaan, earthgore. List goes on.
Not to mention buffing of light attacks in summerset as well as making 2h weapons such as staves count as 2 pieces.
Also buffing food in U21 saw a massive damage increase.
Funny how you blame cp for damage increase when the last 2 patches damage has still gone up significantly and there hasn’t been any cp change.
But “MUH CP HURRR”
The damage increase through cp each patch was almost nonexistent since you got your damage from sets and a perfect rotation.
People are melting through content because they have vast knowledge of said content and mechanics and have mastered their rotations. Therefore it’s a joke to them.
If you’re so insistent on cp being the cause then get a bunch of inexpirenced playes to do vet maw on one side, and a bunch of expirienxed players on the other side. Both with same sets, cp allocation, and classes and see who had an easier time.
So many people blame content being too easy on cp when cp is the least cause of it.
Al Cast even did a veteran maw of Lorkaj run without any cp in his group. Did it relatively easily and got a good score.
It’s the sets and constant buffs zos gives us along with experience and rotations is why content is so easy.
That’s why when people do Veteran maelstrom arena the second time it’s practically a breeze because they know what’s to expect. It’s not because the cp increase somehow made it easier.
Want to make pve content harder? Then go after the sets and buffs we’ve received over time. Or in fact just make the content not as repetitive. You won’t even touch any of the hard content if you don’t have experience. You can have the same amount of cp allocation, sets, and a decent rotation but without knowledge of mechanics and expirience you won’t do crap.
Honestly it’s annoying when people blame cp for pve content when it’s fhe furthest thing from. If zos decides to rework cp to a point where they just nerf everyone’s power because of cry baby cp 500 jimmy who’s too much of a lazy ass to grind cp and actually aquire knowledge of mechanics&rotation and farm sets, you’ll end up seeing a lot of people quitting just like in morrowind, because of zos’s Incompetence and constant catering to lazy casuals who don’t want to work for their accomplishments like us veteran players have.