No

shhhhh no negy nells
we need some progression

mikeabboudb14_ESO wrote: »

shhhhh no negy nells
we need some progression

Cp isn't progression. It's an illusion of progression. You creep up the power scale then every few months, they come and apply nerfs to compensate for the power creep.

TBois wrote: »

Do you have a copy of the proof? I'm curious to see it.

Well I dont have a link to older threads where this got discussed, while CP is part of the power creep in PvE it is not the only offender and with diminishing Returns additional cp contribute less and less.
Very big reasons for power creep in PvE are changes like the summerset light attack changes and for magicka the Change for 2handed weapons to Count as 2 set pieces and increasingly stronger sets like relequen which adds 7k dps on the 5 piece alone, siroria in static fights, lokkestiiz which imo is the most broken dps set to ever be released with a potential 100% Major Slayer uptime.
Elsweyr is actually a patch that Shows power creep in PvE very well, CP did not increase so CP cannot be the culprit, but Group dps in the top guilds that stack stamcros still went through the Roof because they farm sets like lokkestiiz and relequen which add insane value in single target (and lokke in aoe too), they got the buffed light attacks from summerset and the new class which can Keep a very high uptime on a 30% increased Damage taken debuff.

So yeah, CP Plays a part in power creep, especially so in survivability with red cps and blue cps also add quite some Damage but cp is far from being the only Thing increasing power creep, ZoS Gameplay changes and set inventions Play a bigger role imo.

No no no! I’m cp802 and ready for max. Only like 1-2 more nights of playing for me at my pace!

Do not start that damn treadmill again until I have a little more underneath my belt!

frostz417 wrote: »

Already proven cp isn’t the cause of powercreep.

EDIT: This is not a Rant at you per say but just generally, kinda needed to vent a bit. So dont take the "wall" as me "attacking" you in any way thats not the intent.

Thats not entirely accurate.

Each incremental increase in CP allows for incremental damage increases, sustain increases and mitigation. With each increase in the short term there is no real visible effect beyond slightly higher numbers but this creates a scenario where content continuously becomes more and more redundant which would force the devs to increase the stats across the board in many trials and dungeons and arenas on top of the scaling that exists this would lead to mechanics specifically DPS race mechanics being near impossible due to the damage mitigation being amplified on certain bosses making PvE endgame unsustainable in the long run. It would also effect certain mechanics which require full group coordination such as the twins in vMoL due to the fact that if that fight goes on for too long it will fatigue the group and someone will make a mistake this is true even for the best groups. Group fatigue should never be a reasonable risk when creating content as it can burn a lot of endgame players out the game. The CP would eventually start forcing reworks to a majority of boss mechanics forcing them to recreate the raids over and over and over.

Short term increases are a non-issue, its the implication of the long term with incremental increases. The power creep exists it just isn't visible until you consider the larger implications and impact on gameplay and mechanics in the long haul so it very much does effect PvE and not for the better.

Should also note that if the increases continued we would reach a point where CP would cease to be useful either way due to there being a limited amount of passives that are actually relevant to any real end-game. Making the whole system redundant. Stopping the CP and overhauling all of it was one of the best decisions ZoS have made in a very long time.

Diminishing returns only reinforces this position as eventually the increases would come to a stand still in terms of any real stats but this is kind of the point, they had no choice but to add diminishing returns because infinite sustain was a very large issue as it created a "easy content" loop which was destroying both end-game and PvP. On top of this they were forced to rework any and all cost reduction even sets were hit as a result.

This is all of course assuming they are overhauling it in its entirety. A rework would not suffice and would be just a band-aid fix to a much larger issue.

Building the game around CP has done the game more harm than good IMO.

redspecter23 wrote: »

mikeabboudb14_ESO wrote: »

shhhhh no negy nells
we need some progression

Cp isn't progression. It's an illusion of progression. You creep up the power scale then every few months, they come and apply nerfs to compensate for the power creep.

exactly it is a false Alternate advancement system that does nothing ,defines nothing and has very little impact on your character progression or direction

Sry but CP System is anyway broken and ppl deal too much dps.
Would make the Raids/Dungeons even more a joke....

Sylvermynx wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

I like it to stop at 900 so I'm not looking at an odd number.

Actually, 1k is the "round number".

lokulin wrote: »

I recon it would be cooler if they introduced some other way of progressing like multiclassing or mult-role loadouts. I'm ~cp1200, my main has nearly every skillpoint in the game unlocked and has most skills fully leveled after respecing multiple times. Some extra cp doesn't really interest me but a way to build even more flexibility in to the character does. I would like to see overlevel rewards introduced for every extra CP you earn at least. Extra gold, crowns, telvar or AP would be good.

"reckon"....

Beyond my seriously ancient and silly need to spell-correct.... I fully agree that there needs to be some other options for progression. I'm looking forward to getting the other 15 CP so my highest level girl is at 160 cp finally. After that.... well hell - I don't have a clue.

A comma after "spell-correct", rather than an ellipsis would probably be correct grammar...

:-p

cp1000+ here and not caring one tiny bit whatever they increase CP cap or not, especially when they are planning to redo it. And I have friends trying to climb for 3000+ cap for the chase. Start hunting!