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Critique My Build: MagSorc PVE
Ardaghion
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First off, this is just a first pass at a build loosely based on one of Alcast's Mystic PVE builds. I'm currently at 776CP but this build is for 810CP, my helm and shoulders could be replaced with a monster set but I don't play dungeons much so that might be a bit in the future. I have duo'd a number of vanilla zone dungeons and we did okay even with lesser CP and worse armor/weapons.
I went with shacklebreaker since I already have the jewelry and didn't want, at this point, to create or buy new ones. I also but more into stamina since my playstyle (I run and dodge a lot) uses more stamina and I put more into health since I'm not good at keeping my shields or rotation up and I'd like to survive longer.
Here's a link to the UESP build editor: Altmer MagSorc PVE
I went with shacklebreaker since I already have the jewelry and didn't want, at this point, to create or buy new ones. I also but more into stamina since my playstyle (I run and dodge a lot) uses more stamina and I put more into health since I'm not good at keeping my shields or rotation up and I'd like to survive longer.
Here's a link to the UESP build editor: Altmer MagSorc PVE
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.Edited by WrathOfInnos on June 14, 2019 4:36PM0 -
Ardaghion✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?0 -
Camb0Sl1ce✭✭✭@Ardaghion health recovery is a useless stat in pve, wouldnt worry about it. Besides the matriarch power surge is a pretty solid heal if you neef more.Edited by Camb0Sl1ce on June 14, 2019 10:00PM0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.Edited by WrathOfInnos on June 14, 2019 10:32PM1 -
Ardaghion✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.0 -
Evito✭✭✭You don't need monster set but you need 1 pc bonuses. 2x 1 pc crit is basically BIS now.1
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WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.0 -
Ardaghion✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.
I'm just using Necropotence for now, I don't plan on keeping it. I bought 3 purple Willpower jewelry over the weekend and crafted 4 pc of Julianos, getting rid of the Shacklebreaker and Magnus's Gift. I could have crafted a 5th Julianos to get the extra spell damage but then I'd lose the 5th perk from Necropotence and about 3k of Magicka since I have a Matriarch on both bars. Not sure which is the better choice for now but I will work on getting the Mother's Sorrow in the future.
I'm not ready to fully upgrade but I'll be working on it as I go forward. As it is, with my CP optimized, some better gear, the bloody mara and some better skills on my bar I saw nearly 11k of DPS with a basic parse on a single bar against that Clockwork City dummy. That wasn't using any spell pots and would be about the highest DPS I've seen to date. I'm a bit on the older side and my hands are stiff and get worse the longer I play so keeping up a good rotation is difficult.0 -
WrathOfInnos✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.
I'm just using Necropotence for now, I don't plan on keeping it. I bought 3 purple Willpower jewelry over the weekend and crafted 4 pc of Julianos, getting rid of the Shacklebreaker and Magnus's Gift. I could have crafted a 5th Julianos to get the extra spell damage but then I'd lose the 5th perk from Necropotence and about 3k of Magicka since I have a Matriarch on both bars. Not sure which is the better choice for now but I will work on getting the Mother's Sorrow in the future.
I'm not ready to fully upgrade but I'll be working on it as I go forward. As it is, with my CP optimized, some better gear, the bloody mara and some better skills on my bar I saw nearly 11k of DPS with a basic parse on a single bar against that Clockwork City dummy. That wasn't using any spell pots and would be about the highest DPS I've seen to date. I'm a bit on the older side and my hands are stiff and get worse the longer I play so keeping up a good rotation is difficult.
Give up the 3rd Willpower for the 5th Julianos.0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭If struglle to survive instead race against time just use the major socery buff that heals you when doing crit. With your wall up and Lighting Flood you are grand.
Then switch you jewerly enchants to spell damage and bamm, for the stuff you do, you will melt everything.
I hope you have loads of fun with the build!!Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.
I'm just using Necropotence for now, I don't plan on keeping it. I bought 3 purple Willpower jewelry over the weekend and crafted 4 pc of Julianos, getting rid of the Shacklebreaker and Magnus's Gift. I could have crafted a 5th Julianos to get the extra spell damage but then I'd lose the 5th perk from Necropotence and about 3k of Magicka since I have a Matriarch on both bars. Not sure which is the better choice for now but I will work on getting the Mother's Sorrow in the future.
I'm not ready to fully upgrade but I'll be working on it as I go forward. As it is, with my CP optimized, some better gear, the bloody mara and some better skills on my bar I saw nearly 11k of DPS with a basic parse on a single bar against that Clockwork City dummy. That wasn't using any spell pots and would be about the highest DPS I've seen to date. I'm a bit on the older side and my hands are stiff and get worse the longer I play so keeping up a good rotation is difficult.
Give up the 3rd Willpower for the 5th Julianos.
Yes do this, willpower 2 piece set bonus is used on many occasions I do this in PVP. However never not go for a 5th piece bonus.Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
Ardaghion✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.
I'm just using Necropotence for now, I don't plan on keeping it. I bought 3 purple Willpower jewelry over the weekend and crafted 4 pc of Julianos, getting rid of the Shacklebreaker and Magnus's Gift. I could have crafted a 5th Julianos to get the extra spell damage but then I'd lose the 5th perk from Necropotence and about 3k of Magicka since I have a Matriarch on both bars. Not sure which is the better choice for now but I will work on getting the Mother's Sorrow in the future.
I'm not ready to fully upgrade but I'll be working on it as I go forward. As it is, with my CP optimized, some better gear, the bloody mara and some better skills on my bar I saw nearly 11k of DPS with a basic parse on a single bar against that Clockwork City dummy. That wasn't using any spell pots and would be about the highest DPS I've seen to date. I'm a bit on the older side and my hands are stiff and get worse the longer I play so keeping up a good rotation is difficult.
Give up the 3rd Willpower for the 5th Julianos.
Thanks, I didn't think of that. Alcast's beginner's build has 3 Willpower, 5 Julianos, and 4 Magnus so went with the 3 jewelry. I'll gain another 100 spell damage if I swap the Willpower for the 5th Julianos, although I'll then have to craft the Jewelry myself and that will be costly to make purple. I'll look into the cost.0 -
WoppaBoem✭✭✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »WrathOfInnos wrote: »Have you considered other races? IMO Altmer is underpowered and Breton is best at the moment. If you’d like more stamina then you could go with Dunmer or Khajiit, which would allow you to replace Shacklebreaker with a better PVE damage set.
Your skill bars and Mundus Stone look good. For food I’d recommend Bloody Mara, which will give you more health. Then you can drop the Healtht trait from your ring and add more damage there. Try to get all 3 Jewelry enchants to Spell Damage if you can sustain it (False Gods set helps a lot here and is easy to get in nSS). For jewelry traits, Bloodthirsty or Infused are better than Arcane, but the gain is relatively small, so low priority.
You should also work toward getting a Maelstrom Staff, that build looks capable of clearing vMA and the staff will help your damage.
Edit: You’ll definitely need a couple monster sets, like Slimecraw, Ilambris, and maybe Iceheart for some extra survivability. All 3 of those are easy to obtain in non-DLC vet dungeons. Until then, you could use 2pc Willpower (either your staff, or 2 jewelry pieces) since it can be bought from guild stores for cheap, and gives a stronger 2pc bonus than other sets.
I can see what you mean about changing to a Breton, with the same build but using a Breton I get higher Magicka, Magicka Recovery and Spell Resistance.
I'll can also see that Bloody Mara is better than the blue or purple foods I've been using and I have plenty of Frost Mirriam.
I'll look into the Willpower set but I'd hate to give up the 2000 Magicka from the Shacklebreaker 5 pc set, although for now I could forego the Magnus hat and shoulders and make them Shacklebreaker.
Should I be concerned about having what looks like a low health recovery of 383? I'm going to assume that with the matriarch I should be able to restore my health while attacking but are there other mechanisms in this build to restore health?
Yeah, the 5 piece bonus on Shacklebreaker is not bad, it’s mainly the 129 Weapon Damage on the 2 piece that make it weaker than other options for PVE. In PVP it’s very popular for the 2k Stamina and the extra 129 Stam Recovery on the 4pc.
If you’re looking for something to run instead of Shackle, the best options would be Mother’s Sorrow (all around good damage), False Gods (damage, sustain and mobility), or Siroria (highest damage if you stay in one spot). If you want to maintain a higher Magicka pool then you could go with something like Bright Throat (https://eso-sets.com/set/bright-throats-boast), which would also give enough sustain that you would not need to be a Breton. If you do end up Breton then you would not need Bright Throat and could get more damage out of Destruction Mastery or Necropotence. All of these sets are available from guild stores except for FG and Siroria which must be obtained from Sunspire and Cloudrest.
For sets, I wasn’t recommending running 3 piece Shackle. Definitely keep two complete 5-piece sets. I was just saying Willpower to make up the last 2 gear slots until you can get a Monster Helm set.
Funny you mention Necropotence, my character is currently running 5 pc Necropotence, 5 pc Shacklebreaker and Magnus for my staff. I had heard people had moved away from that set; add into that I was moving away from a full pet build. I'll try experimenting with the 5 pc Necropotence in combination with Breton and some other sets you've mentioned. Maybe my biggest problem is how my CP is allocated, I've put points where I thought they should go without understanding how some of these things work.
Necropotence is a strange set. It synergizes well with Sorc pet builds, especially double pet (Matriarch and Volatile Familiar). However, to make it compete with other damage sets, you need to get your Max Magicka multiplier as high as possible. This means slotting Bound Aegis and Inner Light. With these 4 skills on your bar there’s not enough room for the other abilities necessary for a damage rotation.
So running it with reasonable bars (single pet + only Bound Aegis, or double pet with No Aegis or Inner Light) unfortunately removes a lot of the effectiveness. That’s why many pet Sorcs swapped to Mother’s Sorrow. Still, if you’re set on wanting a large Magicka pool there is no set that gives more Mag, and the damage loss compared to other sets is not large.
I'm just using Necropotence for now, I don't plan on keeping it. I bought 3 purple Willpower jewelry over the weekend and crafted 4 pc of Julianos, getting rid of the Shacklebreaker and Magnus's Gift. I could have crafted a 5th Julianos to get the extra spell damage but then I'd lose the 5th perk from Necropotence and about 3k of Magicka since I have a Matriarch on both bars. Not sure which is the better choice for now but I will work on getting the Mother's Sorrow in the future.
I'm not ready to fully upgrade but I'll be working on it as I go forward. As it is, with my CP optimized, some better gear, the bloody mara and some better skills on my bar I saw nearly 11k of DPS with a basic parse on a single bar against that Clockwork City dummy. That wasn't using any spell pots and would be about the highest DPS I've seen to date. I'm a bit on the older side and my hands are stiff and get worse the longer I play so keeping up a good rotation is difficult.
Give up the 3rd Willpower for the 5th Julianos.
Thanks, I didn't think of that. Alcast's beginner's build has 3 Willpower, 5 Julianos, and 4 Magnus so went with the 3 jewelry. I'll gain another 100 spell damage if I swap the Willpower for the 5th Julianos, although I'll then have to craft the Jewelry myself and that will be costly to make purple. I'll look into the cost.
Start with blue quality. You are working towards a final build. Never upgrade to much until you are settled on the sets. (this is advice I should listen to more myself, *cries* so much gold stuff in bank doing nothing)Xbox EU & NA - PVP Only0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭My thoughts on your build: you are running meta 1-pet bars (morph of twilight is debatable) with easy to access crafted gear. I am sure it will work just fine, but there is nothing original about what you are doing. If you are struggling with damage, work on your rotation, work on your playstyle (don’t spend as much stam), and get better gear. Of course no reason you need to do any of that if you don’t care about score.0 -
Ardaghion✭✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »My thoughts on your build: you are running meta 1-pet bars (morph of twilight is debatable) with easy to access crafted gear. I am sure it will work just fine, but there is nothing original about what you are doing. If you are struggling with damage, work on your rotation, work on your playstyle (don’t spend as much stam), and get better gear. Of course no reason you need to do any of that if you don’t care about score.
Yeah, I wasn't trying to be original, my starting point was one of Alcast's builds. I didn't want to just copy his build item for item and I wanted to keep at least some of my current gear but my goal would be to get a better understanding of how certain skills, gear and CP work together. Up to this point I barely understood where to put CP, let alone how skills and gear worked together.
I don't care that much about score, I would like to get better at ESO and not worry about dying so much. I'd like to try some of the more challenging PvE content and maybe duo more dungeons.0 -
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✭✭✭Oh, there's no easy way to dying less in ESO. You just gotta learn and memorize all the mechanics. Oneshots typically remain oneshots, be it 17k health or 21. Practice is the best advice for you.
Since you're running a pet, Necropotence is an obvious recommendation. Might wanna collect it. But if your Shacklebreaker is golded out, don't worry too much about Necro.0