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You call this balanced? Necro bash.
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Not only do necros have full access to their arsenal of snares and gap closers - many take an immovable pot before transforming. Also, it does not obey the GCD whatsoever so even just a second or two in their deadly aoe can prove fatal to even the tankiest of players.Bouldercleave wrote: »Can you not just roll dodge out of the AoE?
Not being snarky - asking a legitimate question. Is it avoidable to get hit EVERY time?
This. And even if I could move out of the AoE, even Eye of the storm int the worst times wasnt so bad as this, there is absolutley no reason why someone should be able to deal so massive damage in such short time. This is beyond OPnes. You may disagree but this will prove only one thing, guess what?
Then can we nerf bombers while we're at it?CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuff
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
When you see the transformation coming then move away, roll dodge, block, streak, cloak, heal, move behind the player since it's an AOE CONE time stop, fear, stun.... damn sounds like there's ALOT of counterplay as I said before L2P issue nothing more
If the player using it is terrible then yeah this will work. If they actually know what they're doing then no. I feel like you haven't actually encountered this yet but you've seen clips so you think you know what you're talking about.
Nope I have encountered it ALOT and have seen someone kill 20+ ppl and I still live and kill the basher just because I dont stand in front of the cone and I CC them cloak roll thought them and so on it's an extremely easy ult to miss1 -
Zevrro✭✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuffhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
When you see the transformation coming then move away, roll dodge, block, streak, cloak, heal, move behind the player since it's an AOE CONE time stop, fear, stun.... damn sounds like there's ALOT of counterplay as I said before L2P issue nothing more
If the player using it is terrible then yeah this will work. If they actually know what they're doing then no. I feel like you haven't actually encountered this yet but you've seen clips so you think you know what you're talking about.
Nope I have encountered it ALOT and have seen someone kill 20+ ppl and I still live and kill the basher just because I dont stand in front of the cone and I CC them cloak roll thought them and so on it's an extremely easy ult to miss
So basically you live because you're a stamblade.@Zevrro PC-EU
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Magicka Nightblade
AD | Zevrro | Magicka Nightblade | AR43 |
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AD | Zevrro XII | Magicka Warden | AR22 |
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Necro: "Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru""Never go in, miss. Never say a prayer at its door. If you are angry, do not seek revenge by the Laughing Maiden Stone, or at the threshold of the Tombs. There be those who listen for oaths and vows...What may be said in innocence and ire becomes flesh and blood in such places."
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✭Every time I get killed by the Goliath bash I just log out of eso. I have nothing but salty thoughts when I just been hit with a I win skill 😑3 -
Unfadingsilence✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuffhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
When you see the transformation coming then move away, roll dodge, block, streak, cloak, heal, move behind the player since it's an AOE CONE time stop, fear, stun.... damn sounds like there's ALOT of counterplay as I said before L2P issue nothing more
If the player using it is terrible then yeah this will work. If they actually know what they're doing then no. I feel like you haven't actually encountered this yet but you've seen clips so you think you know what you're talking about.
Nope I have encountered it ALOT and have seen someone kill 20+ ppl and I still live and kill the basher just because I dont stand in front of the cone and I CC them cloak roll thought them and so on it's an extremely easy ult to miss
So basically you live because you're a stamblade.
Or a sorc or a healer or a meta pvp tank0 -
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✭✭✭✭MentalxHammer wrote: »Needs 1 sec gcd on bash plz
Yeah, and screw PvE tanks, right.
2018: Great Sloads Whingefest
2019: Great Necrobash Whingefest
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✭✭✭✭✭fastolfv_ESO wrote: »those are low numbers, a good build will net bashes around 10-12k a hit, and lets not forget immovable speed pots so they cannot be cced or slowed down while they spam bash off a gcd
Yeah thats nonCP
I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Master_Kas wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuffhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
I just copy pasted this build (or very similar) on a unfinished character. Totally balanced
Warning for *** quality and music:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk1QDdZfzOg&feature=youtu.be
Lol
Great music selection! I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭#Balance by ZOS
Can you show me where ZOS ever said the necromancer was balanced?
Of course you can't. Threads, videos, and zone/guild chat about this only pushes people on the fence about buying Elsweyr even closer to opening their wallets. Low skilled PvPers are foaming at the mouth at a chance to dominate and move up the ranks.
Love it or hate it, you can't deny that it's a brilliant marketing strategy.
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭#Balance by ZOS
Can you show me where ZOS ever said the necromancer was balanced?
Of course you can't. Threads, videos, and zone/guild chat about this only pushes people on the fence about buying Elsweyr even closer to opening their wallets. Low skilled PvPers are foaming at the mouth at a chance to dominate and move up the ranks.
Love it or hate it, you can't deny that it's a brilliant marketing strategy.
aaand youre making upset anyone who doesn't want to play necro, you know the ones who spent years on creating their toons. Is it so brilliant? Im one of those that like to buy finished products, not some alpha tested stuff, so I didn't bought Elsweyr and wont do it till it get some fixes. Ive really lost my hope when it goes to EU servers performance it will get better only when people will start to leave because of it, but this? It doesnt require a lot to fix.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People defending bash ult makes me laugh.
Forum is pointless now, no wonder zos ignore it when it's full of people who think bash nec is actually balanced.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭#Balance by ZOS
Can you show me where ZOS ever said the necromancer was balanced?
Of course you can't. Threads, videos, and zone/guild chat about this only pushes people on the fence about buying Elsweyr even closer to opening their wallets. Low skilled PvPers are foaming at the mouth at a chance to dominate and move up the ranks.
Love it or hate it, you can't deny that it's a brilliant marketing strategy.
aaand youre making upset anyone who doesn't want to play necro, you know the ones who spent years on creating their toons.
They don't care about that. Did they care about those of us who spent years creating our stealthy Bosmer toons before they trashed 20 years of lore and made Khajiit the only viable stealth race? Nope. They're all about whatever seems to drive the most profit at the moment. So they'll force people to like playing Elsweyr beasties and release a deliberately overpowered class to move product. At some point, when sales drop off, they will nerf it, just like they hyped Summerset with OP Sloads and the Swift trait, and when the fresh wore off of that, they nerfed them both.
Not saying I agree with it, but that's just how it is.
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✭✭✭Unfadingsilence wrote: »
This^
Person dies and doesn't even bother learning how to counter the crappy ulti in anyway. They don't show their build that died, they don't show a video of them dying, they just show that they died and now want a nerf.
Tired of these cryhards threads that scream about balance when they are showing nothing. Adapt and stop asking Zos to hold your hand.Edited by Girl_Number8 on June 16, 2019 9:27PM0 -
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✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuffhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
For a build he has the wrong 2h on the back bar....If he wants that playstyle. Smh Zerglings0 -
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✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Unfadingsilence wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Hey kids come here for the good stuffhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ckU1MtZ-4Unfadingsilence wrote: »
Stop staying in the aoe huh? There is literally no way to counterplay this ult watch the video. If the 17k bashes every 0,5 seconds dont kill you instantly you only have to survive 39 more of those before the ult runs out. Sooooo balanced
When you see the transformation coming then move away, roll dodge, block, streak, cloak, heal, move behind the player since it's an AOE CONE time stop, fear, stun.... damn sounds like there's ALOT of counterplay as I said before L2P issue nothing more
I'm really starting to question your intelligence..
Did you even see the video you can't reach a point of where you are safe by rolling, you can't outheal it. It's not a Cone it's actually 8m circle like destro ult. If I want someone dead while transformed that is going to happen.
Nah, it won't happen. You just need to start playing PvP and not depending on zerglings if you can't avoid that. Get more experience.0 -
Elrond87✭✭✭how much damage would necro do with that set
Thews of the Harbringer - When you block a direct damage attack, you deal damage to your attacker equal to 4% of your current Health.
while using that ult Bone Goliath with idk plague doctor setPC|EU
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Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭how much damage would necro do with that set
Thews of the Harbringer - When you block a direct damage attack, you deal damage to your attacker equal to 4% of your current Health.
while using that ult Bone Goliath with idk plague doctor set
But they're talking about not being able to run away. A few brave Templars squaring up and popping Blazing Shield and Spiked Bone Shield could probably reflect enough damage to take him/her out. And you won't be taking them out from range if he's got Beckoning Armor activated, which chains ranged attackers every 3 seconds for 20 seconds.
Better to run Twin Sisters and Jolting Arms with Spiked Bone Shield (30%of max HP damage shield that returns 30-40% of direct damage) for maximum damage.
Edited by Jaraal on June 16, 2019 10:00PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭#Balance by ZOS
It's dumb. For sure. But so is this game's PvP generally so it'll fit right in.
This game has a very stupid PVP system. It's just a gank fest and near instant death bursts. There's no real combat, no real skill, no real fun (which is the important thing), not to mention it's laggy as hell. It's just... well, dumb like I said. Probably beyond the point of saving to be honest with you and I'll never understand what some players see in it.Edited by Jeremy on June 16, 2019 10:45PM2 -
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✭✭They are gonna nerf it for sure, just takes a bit of time.
And yeah, it has become a bit tiresome, not an issue when there is 1 of these Bash cheese builds here and there, but when it lately has become the FOTM and you get several on you at every battle, gap closing on you.. with healer supporting them, it has become mildly annoying. Many call some things cheese, this one starts to really earn it, true cheese lol.
Still, complicated issue. I do not want it to be nerfed to useless, but also i feel it cannot stay exactly like this. If it does, other classes need something in their ultimates that is exactly as powerful/cheesy. Nothing compares to it on old classes right now. Fact.
So i guess in short to the topic i would say no, no it is not balanced. Not until its toned down, or old classes also get something of this magnitude. It would be great then. It can kill zergs. A good thing. But need such for other classes too.
Edit: Did run the Bash Goliath on my Stamcro for 2 bgs, wiping solo 4 enemy teams on objective flags over and over again and easy wins both time felt so cheesy that i changed it to the other morph and not using it anymore. It was so lame cheese that could not force myself on using it anymore lol.
(Using now the Colossus on other bar and Onslaught on 2H bar)
Edited by Moonsorrow on June 17, 2019 9:04AM3 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »They are gonna nerf it for sure, just takes a bit of time.
And yeah, it has become a bit tiresome, not an issue when there is 1 of these Bash cheese builds here and there, but when it lately has become the FOTM and you get several on you at every battle, gap closing on you.. with healer supporting them, it has become mildly annoying. Many call some things cheese, this one starts to really earn it, true cheese lol.
Still, complicated issue. I do not want it to be nerfed to useless, but also i feel it cannot stay exactly like this. If it does, other classes need something in their ultimates that is exactly as powerful/cheesy. Nothing compares to it on old classes right now. Fact.
So i guess in short to the topic i would say no, no it is not balanced. Not until its toned down, or old classes also get something of this magnitude. It would be great then. It can kill zergs. A good thing. But need such for other classes too.
When one ultimate can do what's not possible with 2 coldharbour ballistas you know something is wrong. It has to be toned down by a lot. Not any single skill in this game allows to do what this does, not even close. There was a time when multifple EoTS perfectly combined were a thing, but this? This is pure madness.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
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✭Sanguinor2 wrote: »Just run away for 20 seconds and run faster than gap Closer closes the gap /s
For example, there are 4 Necromancer teams in death match of BGs.
Necro A : Ultimate ready! I activate Goliath.
All Enemy Players: Let's all flee for 20 seconds.
Necro B : Ultimate ready! I activate Goliath.
All Enemy Players: Let's all flee for 20 seconds.
Necro C : Ultimate ready! I activate Goliath.
All Enemy Players: Let's all flee for 20 seconds.
Necro D : Ultimate ready! I activate Goliath.
All Enemy Players: Let's all flee for 20 seconds.
Necro A : Ultimate ready! I activate Goliath.
All Enemy Players: Let's all flee for 20 seconds.
...Loop forever...
Flee for 20 seconds?
No, you will continue to flee forever.1 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Moonsorrow wrote: »They are gonna nerf it for sure, just takes a bit of time.
And yeah, it has become a bit tiresome, not an issue when there is 1 of these Bash cheese builds here and there, but when it lately has become the FOTM and you get several on you at every battle, gap closing on you.. with healer supporting them, it has become mildly annoying. Many call some things cheese, this one starts to really earn it, true cheese lol.
Still, complicated issue. I do not want it to be nerfed to useless, but also i feel it cannot stay exactly like this. If it does, other classes need something in their ultimates that is exactly as powerful/cheesy. Nothing compares to it on old classes right now. Fact.
So i guess in short to the topic i would say no, no it is not balanced. Not until its toned down, or old classes also get something of this magnitude. It would be great then. It can kill zergs. A good thing. But need such for other classes too.
When one ultimate can do what's not possible with 2 coldharbour ballistas you know something is wrong. It has to be toned down by a lot. Not any single skill in this game allows to do what this does, not even close. There was a time when multifple EoTS perfectly combined were a thing, but this? This is pure madness.
I know its madness. I rarely stop using a skill when see after test how absurd it is. But i tend to avoid too strong words about things. People then think you are just exaggerating something after you died to it. But yeah, this is one of those things that look even more crazy when you are using it, when people just drop dead left and right and without no actual effort than just spamming 1 button..
it just felt wrong when i used it. No skill involved, nothing enemies could do, was easy to gap close to the few that tried to run away. Did use Immo pots.
Just that things like this is what the game needs, well a toned down version but yeah.. but for all classes. I mean super costly ultis that hit like a truck, but not last this long obviously. So that they are game changers when you use them at right time, but not broken like this. Just as said, all classes needs one "heavy hitter". One can dream.
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kerthas✭✭✭every1 told them on the pts how broken this ultimate was, every single one person who tested it. And guess what, they didn't do ***, just to get money. They don't give a damn about our feedback it seems. During 2 month we told them before it came out on live. But noo, we need to sell our chapter what do you mean, perfectly balance #Wearezenimax.2
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✭✭✭✭✭how much damage would necro do with that set
Thews of the Harbringer - When you block a direct damage attack, you deal damage to your attacker equal to 4% of your current Health.
while using that ult Bone Goliath with idk plague doctor set
But they're talking about not being able to run away. A few brave Templars squaring up and popping Blazing Shield and Spiked Bone Shield could probably reflect enough damage to take him/her out. And you won't be taking them out from range if he's got Beckoning Armor activated, which chains ranged attackers every 3 seconds for 20 seconds.
Better to run Twin Sisters and Jolting Arms with Spiked Bone Shield (30%of max HP damage shield that returns 30-40% of direct damage) for maximum damage.
Lol blazing shield! LMAO!Edited by technohic on June 17, 2019 10:45AM0
