BG MagDK Build Advice

Vermethys · June 2019

Hiya,

I intend on building a MagDK soon mainly for Battlegrounds PvP. I've honestly very little experience playing magicka characters in PvP -- I'm used to playing heavy 2h+S&B StamDK, Stamden, and StamSorc -- and I would love some input from any MagDK players regarding the way you build in a no-CP environment. I have played a bit of MagDK in below 50 BGs, but I doubt that taught me much about the class or playstyle.

Anyway, I was theorycrafting on the UESP Build Editor the past couple of days and I put together a build that seems comfortable to play (slightly similar to my StamDK) and might have good stats, but I'd love to get some opinions on the proposed gear, monster set, resistances, recovery, max stamina, Ward vs Wings, Resto vs S&B, etc. I went with Rattlecage because target-based self-buffs (Entropy) are too alien for me tbh.

Link to the build I'm thinking about: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=163458

Thanks!

JumpmanLane · June 2019

Edited: forgot I ain’t giving out build but spinners 😜

Kadoin · June 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Edited: forgot I ain’t giving out build but spinners 😜

But you gave it out already before in another thread like 3 days ago...

ChunkyCat · June 2019

Shacklebreaker. Spinners. Bloodspawn or Pirate Skeleton.

I’ve found that Mist Form works better than Wings.

Have fun.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

Kadoin wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Edited: forgot I ain’t giving out build but spinners 😜

But you gave it out already before in another thread like 3 days ago...

Crap...busted. Bright Throat’s Spinners. SnB Frost staff.

Embers, flame lash, Fossilize, wings (snare removal morph), engulfing, Leap.

Cauterize, Coagulating, Structured Entropy, Ele Drain, volatile armor, Undo.

Poisons on nirn Sword, defending on the Frost staff.

Apprentice, arcane, spell damage, all Max Magicka, sturdy shield of course (maybe sturdy waist gloves boots).

1 Domihaus 1 Chudan (or similar) or 1 Chudan 1 Pirate Skeleton, or 1 Domi 1 kena

Witchmother’s

I unno.

Mop fools.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Shacklebreaker. Spinners. Bloodspawn or Pirate Skeleton.

I’ve found that Mist Form works better than Wings.

Have fun.

SnB wings blocking’s like 91% mitigation vs projectiles plus you can heal and Regen, AND you can block cast on a MagDk...I unno, mist is just running and I’d rather be fighting. (Plus vamp? Fire burns lol)

Use speed pots for expedition lol

ChunkyCat · June 2019

I don’t use SnB.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I don’t use SnB.

You should THIS patch. Wings is NOT a Nerf. 50% mitigation from blocking, 50% , mitigation from projectiles from wings, 20% damage reduction from just using a shield, another 15% from projectiles for using a shield. MULTIPLICATIVE. Hmm

That's a lot of mitigation. This patch wings SnB.

brandonv516 · June 2019

I'm gonna go Bright Throat and Crafty Alfiq for sure - not sure about monster set (Pirate, Bloodspawn, Zaan, Skoria all seem okay choices).

JumpmanLane · June 2019

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm gonna go Bright Throat and Crafty Alfiq for sure - not sure about monster set (Pirate, Bloodspawn, Zaan, Skoria all seem okay choices).

No cp Spinners over crafty. PENETRATION. LOL.

Aurielle · June 2019

Can’t go wrong with BSW/BTB/Zaan. It’s soooo trolly to gapclose to someone with chains (which can proc BSW), LA, Zaan proc, and hit Fossilize. You can almost see their salty tears.

NinchiTV · June 2019

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

Run undo for minor protection and the lil damage shield. Run snb with wings just cuz. You can get really tanky in light armor.

What most folks tend to forget is BLOCKING. Block as much as you can. SnB front bar. Ice staff defending back bar. Is tank af. Run 2 piece slimecraw or 1 Domi 1 Kena or something if you like damage. Crafty is good and 1love axiom. But no cp Spinners SOMETHING. Brightthroats unless you a Breton and can get by.

In 1v1's you can get a good sense of when a fool drop ulti so duel all you can to get familiar with such patterns from the classes you face.

The most important thing any magdk can do is buff maintenance. Keep yours up and your debuffs on the target. Volatile, cauterize, structured entropy, ele drain, engulfing, embers, such and the like. If you got those up and on magdk is a breeze to play.

You'll be tanky with great heals and hit like a truck.

AverageJo3Gam3r · June 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Shacklebreaker. Spinners. Bloodspawn or Pirate Skeleton.

I’ve found that Mist Form works better than Wings.

Have fun.

SnB wings blocking’s like 91% mitigation vs projectiles plus you can heal and Regen, AND you can block cast on a MagDk...I unno, mist is just running and I’d rather be fighting. (Plus vamp? Fire burns lol)

Use speed pots for expedition lol

You can pop mist early. It’s for the snare removal.

StShoot · June 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

Run undo for minor protection and the lil damage shield. Run snb with wings just cuz. You can get really tanky in light armor.

What most folks tend to forget is BLOCKING. Block as much as you can. SnB front bar. Ice staff defending back bar. Is tank af. Run 2 piece slimecraw or 1 Domi 1 Kena or something if you like damage. Crafty is good and 1love axiom. But no cp Spinners SOMETHING. Brightthroats unless you a Breton and can get by.

In 1v1's you can get a good sense of when a fool drop ulti so duel all you can to get familiar with such patterns from the classes you face.

The most important thing any magdk can do is buff maintenance. Keep yours up and your debuffs on the target. Volatile, cauterize, structured entropy, ele drain, engulfing, embers, such and the like. If you got those up and on magdk is a breeze to play.

You'll be tanky with great heals and hit like a truck.

Havnt tested it for a long time but does undo work on a dk these days ? last time i tested it didnt worked with battleroar

i like runing a blackrose restro on my backbar, so you have a littlebit of group support besides cauterize

md3788 · June 2019

5/1/1 Light
BSW front bar and Jewelry.
Shacklebreaker body
Front bar BSW inferno nirn, back bar Deaths Wind Sword and Shield
Bloodspawn
All Impen body
2x protective 1x arcane
Tri-stat food
Atronach mundus
Dark Elf

Skills:
Ele drain, cauterize, whip, fossilize, embers, leap
Wings, volatile armor, engulfing flames, (Major sorcery skill), coagulated blood, flex ulti

This has been my build for a while, though feels much weaker this patch. I think I'm focusing too much on getting that big seething fury whip and it's throwing off how I play and getting me killed. Might switch back to flame lash. Wings feels like a nerf, might switch to race against time.

ccmedaddy · June 2019

md3788 wrote: »

5/1/1 Light
BSW front bar and Jewelry.
Shacklebreaker body
Front bar BSW inferno nirn, back bar Deaths Wind Sword and Shield
Bloodspawn
All Impen body
2x protective 1x arcane
Tri-stat food
Atronach mundus
Dark Elf

Skills:
Ele drain, cauterize, whip, fossilize, embers, leap
Wings, volatile armor, engulfing flames, (Major sorcery skill), coagulated blood, flex ulti

This has been my build for a while, though feels much weaker this patch. I think I'm focusing too much on getting that big seething fury whip and it's throwing off how I play and getting me killed. Might switch back to flame lash. Wings feels like a nerf, might switch to race against time.

If you can find a way to accomodate both RAT and dragon fire scale I highly recommend that you give it a shot. Wings don't feel as impactful as before to be sure, but the new DFS still counters ranged classes pretty hard since anyone throwing projectiles at you will end up taking more dmg than you do.

md3788 · June 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

md3788 wrote: »

5/1/1 Light
BSW front bar and Jewelry.
Shacklebreaker body
Front bar BSW inferno nirn, back bar Deaths Wind Sword and Shield
Bloodspawn
All Impen body
2x protective 1x arcane
Tri-stat food
Atronach mundus
Dark Elf

Skills:
Ele drain, cauterize, whip, fossilize, embers, leap
Wings, volatile armor, engulfing flames, (Major sorcery skill), coagulated blood, flex ulti

This has been my build for a while, though feels much weaker this patch. I think I'm focusing too much on getting that big seething fury whip and it's throwing off how I play and getting me killed. Might switch back to flame lash. Wings feels like a nerf, might switch to race against time.

If you can find a way to accomodate both RAT and dragon fire scale I highly recommend that you give it a shot. Wings don't feel as impactful as before to be sure, but the new DFS still counters ranged classes pretty hard since anyone throwing projectiles at you will end up taking more dmg than you do.

Sadly bar space is a premium. The only skill that I'd sacrifice is my major sorcery skill and just run spell power pots

Koensol · June 2019

Aurielle wrote: »

Can’t go wrong with BSW/BTB/Zaan. It’s soooo trolly to gapclose to someone with chains (which can proc BSW), LA, Zaan proc, and hit Fossilize. You can almost see their salty tears.

I'm at work atm, but reading this triggers my left little finger to press Ctrl over and over...

NinchiTV · June 2019

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

Run undo for minor protection and the lil damage shield. Run snb with wings just cuz. You can get really tanky in light armor.

What most folks tend to forget is BLOCKING. Block as much as you can. SnB front bar. Ice staff defending back bar. Is tank af. Run 2 piece slimecraw or 1 Domi 1 Kena or something if you like damage. Crafty is good and 1love axiom. But no cp Spinners SOMETHING. Brightthroats unless you a Breton and can get by.

In 1v1's you can get a good sense of when a fool drop ulti so duel all you can to get familiar with such patterns from the classes you face.

The most important thing any magdk can do is buff maintenance. Keep yours up and your debuffs on the target. Volatile, cauterize, structured entropy, ele drain, engulfing, embers, such and the like. If you got those up and on magdk is a breeze to play.

You'll be tanky with great heals and hit like a truck.

No flame staff huh, ok. I'll try slimecraw S&b/ice, I can already see how successful this will be, thanks for the tips

thedude33 · June 2019

Always wanted to make this work but fear I would get two shot by stealthers.

What is RAT? ( acronyms give me a headache)

Vermethys · June 2019

Thanks all for your valuable insight and suggestions, I greatly appreciate it. I've been lurking around here, giving awesome's and picking up ideas ^^

@thedude33 RAT is Race Against Time: https://eso-skillbook.com/skill/race-against-time

Master_Kas · June 2019

I'm running 5x bright throat, 5x spinner, 2x slimecraw atm in BG's.

2 protective spelldmg, 1 infused reduce spell cost, atronach mundus.

Darkelf, 5 light 1m/1h.

Bloody mara as food/drink.

Seems decent enough for now atleast considering its the gear I run in cp aswell. Just added the reduce spell cost glyph instead of a third spelldmg glyph.

Edit: Is there a bug with molten whip since yesterdays patch? I literary get 5-6 molten whip heavy hitting procs in a row sometimes without casting AF skills in between

thedude33 · June 2019

Going to be a farming session to try and get Bright Throat. Too expensive on traders.

Would Spinners or War Maiden be a decent replacement combined with Crafty?

mursie · June 2019

thedude33 wrote: »

Going to be a farming session to try and get Bright Throat. Too expensive on traders.

Would Spinners or War Maiden be a decent replacement combined with Crafty?

i think bright is a bit garbage now due to the nerf to withmother's brew. I feel shacklebreaker paired with tri-stat or clockwork is a far better option.

Vermethys · June 2019

@mursie I think people are mainly pairing Bright-Throat's Boast with Doubly Bloody Mara after the buff it got in Elsweyr. It's currently the strongest Max Magicka + Max Health buff, and it's a drink.

Since I've gone with Breton instead of Dark Elf, I think I can skip out on Bright-Throat's, but I have to make up the stamina lost elsewhere. So maybe Shacklebreaker + Tristat food. Is 14k-15k Stamina ideal for non-cp, or is still safe to go with lower?

md3788 · June 2019

Vermethys wrote: »

@mursie I think people are mainly pairing Bright-Throat's Boast with Doubly Bloody Mara after the buff it got in Elsweyr. It's currently the strongest Max Magicka + Max Health buff, and it's a drink.

Since I've gone with Breton instead of Dark Elf, I think I can skip out on Bright-Throat's, but I have to make up the stamina lost elsewhere. So maybe Shacklebreaker + Tristat food. Is 14k-15k Stamina ideal for non-cp, or is still safe to go with lower?

I like the stamina pool which is why I run dark elf, tri-stat food, and shackle. Having around 18k Max stam on a magicka character is very helpful

JumpmanLane · June 2019

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Shacklebreaker. Spinners. Bloodspawn or Pirate Skeleton.

I’ve found that Mist Form works better than Wings.

Have fun.

SnB wings blocking’s like 91% mitigation vs projectiles plus you can heal and Regen, AND you can block cast on a MagDk...I unno, mist is just running and I’d rather be fighting. (Plus vamp? Fire burns lol)

Use speed pots for expedition lol

You can pop mist early. It’s for the snare removal.

Nah, don’t run vamp just for mist. Dawnbreakers and MagDk’s will eat you alive. Especially the way engulfing is hitting. Use wings or even RAT but wings is way better on a MagDk.

StShoot wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

Run undo for minor protection and the lil damage shield. Run snb with wings just cuz. You can get really tanky in light armor.

What most folks tend to forget is BLOCKING. Block as much as you can. SnB front bar. Ice staff defending back bar. Is tank af. Run 2 piece slimecraw or 1 Domi 1 Kena or something if you like damage. Crafty is good and 1love axiom. But no cp Spinners SOMETHING. Brightthroats unless you a Breton and can get by.

In 1v1's you can get a good sense of when a fool drop ulti so duel all you can to get familiar with such patterns from the classes you face.

The most important thing any magdk can do is buff maintenance. Keep yours up and your debuffs on the target. Volatile, cauterize, structured entropy, ele drain, engulfing, embers, such and the like. If you got those up and on magdk is a breeze to play.

You'll be tanky with great heals and hit like a truck.

Havnt tested it for a long time but does undo work on a dk these days ? last time i tested it didnt worked with battleroar

i like runing a blackrose restro on my backbar, so you have a littlebit of group support besides cauterize

Nah, don’t USE Undo. Just slot it for the 8% damage reduction of minor protection. I think if you use it and aren’t moving you get battle roar; but again, really don’t use it lol.

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Bumi Rockafella wrote: »

Im new to magDK too but im having a good time with bloodspawn/craft alfiq/axion (front bar flame staff) and maelstrom restro(which is decent (going to start playing with S&B soon) it has plenty of dmg/sustain only thing i have a problem with is having to recov from a ult and combo (which TBH is probably a learn to play issue) but if any vet magdks wanna throw me a bone i welcome it.

Run undo for minor protection and the lil damage shield. Run snb with wings just cuz. You can get really tanky in light armor.

What most folks tend to forget is BLOCKING. Block as much as you can. SnB front bar. Ice staff defending back bar. Is tank af. Run 2 piece slimecraw or 1 Domi 1 Kena or something if you like damage. Crafty is good and 1love axiom. But no cp Spinners SOMETHING. Brightthroats unless you a Breton and can get by.

In 1v1's you can get a good sense of when a fool drop ulti so duel all you can to get familiar with such patterns from the classes you face.

The most important thing any magdk can do is buff maintenance. Keep yours up and your debuffs on the target. Volatile, cauterize, structured entropy, ele drain, engulfing, embers, such and the like. If you got those up and on magdk is a breeze to play.

You'll be tanky with great heals and hit like a truck.

No flame staff huh, ok. I'll try slimecraw S&b/ice, I can already see how successful this will be, thanks for the tips

Hey np. I got every kind of flame staff you can think of; but this patch SnB with wings up is like 91% damage mitigation on ALL projectiles and your a MagDk lol you can block cast.

Think about this. You Fossilize some fool and animation cancel the whips with whip block whip block to get a powerlash or a few quick molten off (while it’s bugged), the worst that could happen is you mistime it and end up BLOCKCASTING lol. Gotta love it