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Molten Whip

MellowMagic
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So i went on my magdk today and i noticed molten whip isnt using up the seething fury buff anymore, the buff remains and allows you to use the special whip animation multiple times in a row. it does not reapply the buff but it seems like you can keep it up indefinitely with the right rotation while still using the whip.
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  • JamesDX
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    shhhhh, we might actually be relevant again :3
  • MellowMagic
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    JamesDX wrote: »
    shhhhh, we might actually be relevant again :3

    Haha I just wanted to know if it was a bug or not, I would definitely start playing my magdk again if it wasnt a bug that whip animation is so good.
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  • StShoot
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    Would be interesting if the same happendn to the power lash morph^^
  • Plasma_Elf
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    Did they do this on purpose or not? Either way, I can conclusively say that this is wayyyy too powerful.

    Hitting a guy with three 10k+ whips in a row during a duel is NOT fair.....although goliath bash is a thing so who knows..
  • susmitds
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    Molten Whip at max hits harder than Bow Proc. This can't be intended.
  • Cadbury
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    Dear ZOS,

    Please allow this "feature" to come to the consoles before you fix it.

    Sincerely yours,
    Definitely not a DK
    "If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."
  • jan.denaanb16_ESO
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    Lol this might actually make us a viable dps spot.... Please dont revert it!. Way better like this
  • reprosal
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    Same thing happening with maelstrom DW bonus :wink:
  • jan.denaanb16_ESO
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    It's just ... Playing with it right now. It feels 100 times better as a dps class... not getting broken numbers.
    I understand this might be so broken in pvp. But this cld get mag dk the boost they actually needed for a long time.
    The elseweyr buffs werent enough
  • MellowMagic
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    It's just ... Playing with it right now. It feels 100 times better as a dps class... not getting broken numbers.
    I understand this might be so broken in pvp. But this cld get mag dk the boost they actually needed for a long time.
    The elseweyr buffs werent enough

    Yeah I was blown away at first and I checked the patch notes right away to see if they changed it. Super bummed it seems to be a bug .
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  • ecru
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    Plasma_Elf wrote: »
    Did they do this on purpose or not? Either way, I can conclusively say that this is wayyyy too powerful.

    Hitting a guy with three 10k+ whips in a row during a duel is NOT fair.....although goliath bash is a thing so who knows..

    definitely not on purpose, it's like having a spammable nb bow proc, a 3 stack whip does more damage than shalks/blastbones too.
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  • Mesoz
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    Yeah this can't be intended, feels pretty busted lmao
  • Qbiken
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    I'll enjoy this week lmao
  • zParallaxz
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    So if you know it was strong why would you say anything. You’ve ruined it for console players now. You got to have a lot of time on your hands for you to play the game, find something that makes your class stronger, and then report it to the bug section for it to get nerfed.
  • MellowMagic
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    So if you know it was strong why would you say anything. You’ve ruined it for console players now. You got to have a lot of time on your hands for you to play the game, find something that makes your class stronger, and then report it to the bug section for it to get nerfed.

    Cool, I wanted to see if it was a bug or not. I dont main magdks so I really dont care. It would have been noticed in pvp very quickly anyways.
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    By the Divines...
  • Plasma_Elf
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    So if you know it was strong why would you say anything. You’ve ruined it for console players now. You got to have a lot of time on your hands for you to play the game, find something that makes your class stronger, and then report it to the bug section for it to get nerfed.

    Some of us don't want a stupid OP unfair advantage. Some might also play other classes and don't want to be stomped out by these bugs.
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    While I play all classes- I can say that I tend to play more toward my mDK. That being said... they need to get rid of the bug. I like the Elsywer changes to Molten Whip and I don't want this bug to cause a knee-jerk reaction by ZOS.
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  • brandonv516
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    Imagine if the Assassin's Will proc from Merciless Resolve remained even after firing the arrow. Then it happened after the second arrow. And again...

    Of course when it benefits your main class (if you have one) it's cool and maybe even fun for a few hours, but if you really care about balance as a whole then you'd pray for a speedy fix.
  • Asgari
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    So i went on my magdk today and i noticed molten whip isnt using up the seething fury buff anymore, the buff remains and allows you to use the special whip animation multiple times in a row. it does not reapply the buff but it seems like you can keep it up indefinitely with the right rotation while still using the whip.

    Are you sure you didnt miss and just hit again while the buff is still active?

    I messed around a bit with it after i saw this post and it wasnt keeping the buff
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  • zParallaxz
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    Oh I fully understand in a balanced game every bug should get reported and fixed. However, magdk has been playing the longest without an execute, engulfing flames still not landing even though it’s a cone, hard to land burning embers since it’s roll dodgeable, a sustain passive that requires burning yet multiple classes have access to a purge not to mention an an entire race, wings getting nerfed over 3 times, etc... I’m all for balance but it goes both ways, if Zos wants to take their time fixing the bugs to make dk play better, they can take that same time with (1) bug that makes them op.
    Edited by zParallaxz on June 11, 2019 2:32AM
  • evoniee
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    dev always messed everything and not trying to fixed it
    i expect shade and psijic ult will never be fixed
    dont mention game balance because they clearly dont play their game
  • Savos_Saren
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    Asgari wrote: »
    So i went on my magdk today and i noticed molten whip isnt using up the seething fury buff anymore, the buff remains and allows you to use the special whip animation multiple times in a row. it does not reapply the buff but it seems like you can keep it up indefinitely with the right rotation while still using the whip.

    Are you sure you didnt miss and just hit again while the buff is still active?

    I messed around a bit with it after i saw this post and it wasnt keeping the buff

    Actually, I'm going to double check this on a test dummy. That may be the case. But as a DK- I definitely realize that spamming the buffed whip would be completely unbalanced... I wouldn't want a Sorc to be able to spam me with buffed Crystal Frags. :/
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  • Savos_Saren
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    UPDATE:

    I just tested it. Yes, once you get three stacks of skills up- you can spam Molten Whip until it "degrades" down. From my testing- I could get at least four "empowered" (I know that's not the right term) whips off in a row before it degraded down. While I'm sure it'd be fun to mess around with in PVP- I'm not going to exploit a bug like this. I'll be running around on my non-DKs until it's fixed.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno could you please look into a hotfix for this?
    Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.

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  • Sleep724
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    susmitds wrote: »
    Molten Whip at max hits harder than Bow Proc. This can't be intended.

    Annnddd why not?
  • HappyLittleTree
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    So buff my whip whip, but they say nay nay
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  • zParallaxz
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    Sleep724 wrote: »
    susmitds wrote: »
    Molten Whip at max hits harder than Bow Proc. This can't be intended.

    Annnddd why not?

    I would expect a skill with a harder condition to proc ( 3 skills have to be used and slotted on the same bar vs 4 consecutive light attacks on any bar), fire based ( if your using a destro , and requires being in melee range should hit harder.
  • zParallaxz
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    UPDATE:

    I just tested it. Yes, once you get three stacks of skills up- you can spam Molten Whip until it "degrades" down. From my testing- I could get at least four "empowered" (I know that's not the right term) whips off in a row before it degraded down. While I'm sure it'd be fun to mess around with in PVP- I'm not going to exploit a bug like this. I'll be running around on my non-DKs until it's fixed.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno could you please look into a hotfix for this?

    Ask yourself this, would you rather have this as a unintended buff or would you rather wait 4+ months for a chance at a rework of dk skills ( engulfing still not hitting every time, lack of an execute or execute passive, a sustain passive which can be countered by purges or dark elf race, etc..
    Tbh I’ve played this game for a while and this bug is as close to what we dk needs and can use effectively rather than wait for the chance for devs to make the right choices in terms of buffs and nerfs.
  • Lord_Eomer
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    zParallaxz wrote: »
    UPDATE:

    I just tested it. Yes, once you get three stacks of skills up- you can spam Molten Whip until it "degrades" down. From my testing- I could get at least four "empowered" (I know that's not the right term) whips off in a row before it degraded down. While I'm sure it'd be fun to mess around with in PVP- I'm not going to exploit a bug like this. I'll be running around on my non-DKs until it's fixed.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno could you please look into a hotfix for this?

    Ask yourself this, would you rather have this as a unintended buff or would you rather wait 4+ months for a chance at a rework of dk skills ( engulfing still not hitting every time, lack of an execute or execute passive, a sustain passive which can be countered by purges or dark elf race, etc..
    Tbh I’ve played this game for a while and this bug is as close to what we dk needs and can use effectively rather than wait for the chance for devs to make the right choices in terms of buffs and nerfs.

    MagDK are hitting 6k+ per whip hit and you are saying its ok?

    Exploiting bug is definitely not ok,

    It's ruining PVP, seema like given new ultimate without any cost!
    Edited by Lord_Eomer on June 11, 2019 3:12PM
  • Davadin
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    magDK can already stand their ground in Cyrodiil since Elswyr buff, even without wings. Keeping Seething Fury to stay for 3, 4, or even 5 whip is WAY too much.

    I say somewhere in middle would be ok = instead of clear it off completely after 1st usage as intended, but NOT keeping it for few sec as of today's bug, why not keep it for 5 sec but degrade it one level when u use whip. So if u spam a fully powered whip 3x, the 4th would be normal un-powered.

    Then maybe we can have a way to BUILD it up again with Ardent, without waiting for it to get to zero.
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  • Asgari
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    Yeah 3-4 hits of empowered molten whip. Zos wth where you doing to break this??
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