[Spoiler] How is Sai Sahan back?

Ratzkifal · June 2019

Everyone is talking about the hype for the DLC and the new trailer and I am just thinking about how and why Sai Sahan is returning. At the end of the main quest of the base game

You get to choose either Lyris, Varen or Sai as a sacrifice - as Abnur conveniently needs to perform the ritual. It makes sense for Abnur to be in Elsweyr, but all the other characters are not certain to still be alive.

Of course if you don't play those quests in order of release, then everything works fine, but ZOS usually took the stance that you can play in whatever order you like and it would supposedly still make sense. So how will your player choice be addressed and will we potentially not see Sai Sahan again if we chose differently in the past?

VaranisArano · June 2019

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

ChunkyCat · June 2019

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HorrorShow · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

Have not been to Elsweyr yet. So if it takes place prior to end of main quest does it have dolmens?

ArchMikem · June 2019

I always chose Varen, so Sai Sahan returning is no issue.

DaveMoeDee · June 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

I always chose Varen, so Sai Sahan returning is no issue.

I think I chose Sai Sahan on an alt. I just don't know which alt.

ChunkyCat · June 2019

I chose Lyris.

Then Varen.

Then Sai.

Then Sai.

Then Sai.

Then Lyris.

Then Varen.

Then Lyris.

Then Sai again.

MattT1988 · June 2019

It’ll probably be explained away in one line of dialogue when you first speak to him.

SilentRaven1972 · June 2019

Dragon Break.

PrinceShroob · June 2019

Considering that the anniversary event hyped up the major players of the main quest, perhaps Sai is replaced by Lyris if you sacrificed Sai.

Lyris doesn't have a celebrity voice actor and isn't canonically dead like the Prophet, so it's possible she could return.

Ratzkifal · June 2019

"No, you don't understand. I am El Senior Sa'i Sahanos. Not Sai Sahan. You must have me confused." Maybe that's going to be his reply.

JobooAGS · June 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

I chose Lyris.

Then Varen.

Then Sai.

Then Sai.

Then Sai.

Then Lyris.

Then Varen.

Then Lyris.

Then Sai again.

Varen Varen Varen Varen... I wonder who I will sacrifice next...

Dagoth_Rac · June 2019

Upon meeting Sai Sahan in Dragonhold:

if you did not sacrifice Sai Sahan in main quest then:
    "Wow, Sai!  Glad I did not sacrifice you at end of planemeld!"
    "You and I both, vestige!"
else if you sacrificed Sai Sahan in main quest line:
    "Whoa, Sai!  Aren't you dead?"
    "No, vestige.  It was an illusion created by Meridia!"
else:
    "Sai who?  What is a main quest?"

allahdine · June 2019

Duh he just res at a wayshrine.

Jarndyce · June 2019

Make the destroy ending canon. Stay in the Milky Way!.......oh crap! Wrong game.

Vizikul · June 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

That order doesn't make sense either. Elsweyr must be set after the main quest. At the elsweyr proloque quest you get to talk with Abnur that it has been a while since the last contact between him and the vestige (referring to the entire plane meld scenario.) After the main quest he flees to the imperial city with the broken amulet of kings that he stole. Most likely he used the time that had passed since then, to figure out his plan to end the three banners war.

In the main quest Abnur used to be one egoistic prick, in Elsweyr he has suddenly turned into an altruistic hero who wants to stop all the pointless killing. And let's not forget his new shiny armor. All of this suggests that he had some character development since the events of the main quest.

Elsonso · June 2019

Everyone knows that the Vestige sacrificed the Prophet. Sheesh.

JobooAGS · June 2019

Vizikul wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

That order doesn't make sense either. Elsweyr must be set after the main quest. At the elsweyr proloque quest you get to talk with Abnur that it has been a while since the last contact between him and the vestige (referring to the entire plane meld scenario.) After the main quest he flees to the imperial city with the broken amulet of kings that he stole. Most likely he used the time that had passed since then, to figure out his plan to end the three banners war. In the main quest Abnur is one egoistic prick, in elsweyr he is suddenly an altruistic hero who wants to stop all the pointless killing. And let's not forget his new shiny armor. All of this suggests that he had some character development since event of the main quest.

Yeah the order of quests are
Main (DC for me)
Cadwell's Silver (AD for me)
Cadwell's Gold (EP for me)
Craglorn
Imperial City
Orsinium
Thieves Guild/Dark Brotherhood
Morrowind
Clockwork City
Summerset
Murkmire
Elsweyr

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2019

Vizikul wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

That order doesn't make sense either. Elsweyr must be set after the main quest. At the elsweyr proloque quest you get to talk with Abnur that it has been a while since the last contact between him and the vestige (referring to the entire plane meld scenario.) After the main quest he flees to the imperial city with the broken amulet of kings that he stole. Most likely he used the time that had passed since then, to figure out his plan to end the three banners war. In the main quest Abnur is one egoistic prick, in elsweyr he is suddenly an altruistic hero who wants to stop all the pointless killing. And let's not forget his new shiny armor. All of this suggests that he had some character development since event of the main quest.

There is no order. Tuttle confirmed that everything that has happened, somehow including Orsinium which has dates in books placing it in 583, as happening in 582. Every Chapter, every DLC, every Dungeon Pack has occurred in 582 and its all up to the players choice of what content they decide to do in what order they decide.

So there is no canonical order and there is no sense arguing over how all of this plays out because for ZOS. All that matters is that when they want to hype something up they can throw some nostalgia or favorite character at us and we will jump on it.

heaven13 · June 2019

PrinceShroob wrote: »

Considering that the anniversary event hyped up the major players of the main quest, perhaps Sai is replaced by Lyris if you sacrificed Sai.

Lyris doesn't have a celebrity voice actor and isn't canonically dead like the Prophet, so it's possible she could return.

Lol what? Lyris's voice actress is Jennifer Hale.

VaranisArano · June 2019

Vizikul wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

That order doesn't make sense either. Elsweyr must be set after the main quest. At the elsweyr proloque quest you get to talk with Abnur that it has been a while since the last contact between him and the vestige (referring to the entire plane meld scenario.) After the main quest he flees to the imperial city with the broken amulet of kings that he stole. Most likely he used the time that had passed since then, to figure out his plan to end the three banners war.

In the main quest Abnur used to be one egoistic prick, in Elsweyr he has suddenly turned into an altruistic hero who wants to stop all the pointless killing. And let's not forget his new shiny armor. All of this suggests that he had some character development since the events of the main quest.

Oh, I quite agree. That's just the closest we can get to an order that makes sense.

Season of the Dragon is terrible for anyone who wants a coherent storyline for the entire game.

Craziux · June 2019

I chose Sai since imo, he was the least interesting character the devs had created for the main-story, more of the same with Lyris, Manimarco and Molag Bal.

If it was an option, I'd rather have picked Abnur, but they weren't on the list.

Thrawniel · June 2019

I always sacrifice Varen, so no issues for me.

But probably he was resurrected by someone to serve as a protector against dragons. Stendarr or whoever.

VerboseQuips · June 2019

Thrawniel wrote: »

I always sacrifice Varen, so no issues for me.

But probably he was resurrected by someone to serve as a protector against dragons. Stendarr or whoever.

Now that you say that, the Celestial Warrior has the power to call back brave heroes from any time period in case of need...

Ratzkifal · June 2019

Thrawniel wrote: »

I always sacrifice Varen, so no issues for me.

But probably he was resurrected by someone to serve as a protector against dragons. Stendarr or whoever.

VerboseQuips wrote: »

Thrawniel wrote: »

I always sacrifice Varen, so no issues for me.

But probably he was resurrected by someone to serve as a protector against dragons. Stendarr or whoever.

Now that you say that, the Celestial Warrior has the power to call back brave heroes from any time period in case of need...

But don't you kind of have his soul trapped? I'm not sure how that ritual actually worked, but I'd imagine you can't revive someone whose soul is still in use. You can obviously raise their bodies but not bring them back for real, if that's even possible at all.

Shaie · June 2019

HorrorShow wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

Have not been to Elsweyr yet. So if it takes place prior to end of main quest does it have dolmens?

Nope. No new zones have dolmens, only the zones present at launch. That storyline ends the need for dolmens. Vvardenfell doesn't actually even have a substitute for them. Summerset has geysers & Elsweyr has dragons.

Acrolas · June 2019

It would be interesting if Akatosh nullified the terms of the Amulet of Kings sacrifice due to Abnur's persistent recklessness.
And who better to be champions for the Dragon God of Time than the people screwed over by the guy who just released dragons. So there's a possibility that Sai and Lyris are both ultimately spared from their fateful realities in exchange for service in this reality.

Thrawniel · June 2019

Ratzkifal wrote: »

But don't you kind of have his soul trapped? I'm not sure how that ritual actually worked, but I'd imagine you can't revive someone whose soul is still in use. You can obviously raise their bodies but not bring them back for real, if that's even possible at all.

Is it still in use though? Maybe it was released the moment we spent its power to defeat Molag Bal?

DaveMoeDee · June 2019

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Vizikul wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

You can't play in whatever order AND have it make sense. The AD storyline is the prime example.

I assume that the new timeline id you want everything to make sense is:
1. Start Main Quest up to rescuing Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan
2. DC questline up to Alikr Desert, then Wrathstone Dungeons
3. Elsweyr Prologue
4. Elsweyr
5. Finish up Main Quest

That order doesn't make sense either. Elsweyr must be set after the main quest. At the elsweyr proloque quest you get to talk with Abnur that it has been a while since the last contact between him and the vestige (referring to the entire plane meld scenario.) After the main quest he flees to the imperial city with the broken amulet of kings that he stole. Most likely he used the time that had passed since then, to figure out his plan to end the three banners war. In the main quest Abnur is one egoistic prick, in elsweyr he is suddenly an altruistic hero who wants to stop all the pointless killing. And let's not forget his new shiny armor. All of this suggests that he had some character development since event of the main quest.

There is no order. Tuttle confirmed that everything that has happened, somehow including Orsinium which has dates in books placing it in 583, as happening in 582. Every Chapter, every DLC, every Dungeon Pack has occurred in 582 and its all up to the players choice of what content they decide to do in what order they decide.

So there is no canonical order and there is no sense arguing over how all of this plays out because for ZOS. All that matters is that when they want to hype something up they can throw some nostalgia or favorite character at us and we will jump on it.

So, how many days do they have in a year? Because I have done a ton of daily quests, so it is hard to imagine it still being the same year. And I've seen a lot of day changes.

Even if their isn't a canonical order, there is a far more interesting and coherent storytelling order.

wishlist14 · June 2019

Your title warns about spoiler but then is a spoiler....since you actually mention sai sahan is back lol Maybe I am confused.
I always enjoy zos stories so im sire it will be fun and interesting.

JumpmanLane · June 2019

Only good thing about sai was his outfit. I was more disappointed that I couldn’t sacrifice ALL of them. They were more irritating than the followers in this Fallout 3 mod I played. I wanted to kill them ALL before the quests ended.

Best I could do here was skip their dialogue. I STILL don’t know what really happened in the main quest. And I ain’t doing Caldwell’s NOTHING...for a bucket hat! What!!!!