This might be a big mistake, but I really want to say respect to ZOS for representation in this game
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Yeah, writing this here, I am pretty sure this is going to be a big mistake, but I will do it anyway...
ZOS, your way of representation in this game is really awesome. Normaly I roll my eyes when games include homosexuality or transsexuality, because... its mostly rubbed in your face and a big deal is made about it.
A good recent example is Mass Effect Andromeda, where the character in question just goes "Oh yeah, i am so Transgender, so much, do you get it?" for no reason at all... terrible made...
But in ESO, you just make these people exist. Thats it. No big deal made about it, no forced moral lesson, hell, in many cases you can miss it if you dont listen carefully. Its just a part of life in ESO, as it should be. And you never have the feeling that these Characters were created with their sexuality as a primary character trait. They are just characters who happen to be that way.
I wish every game/movie etc. would handel the subject as good as you did in ESO. Great job on that front, keep up the good work.
@Everyone else: Please dont leave any hate here. Whether you like it or not, people of all sexualities exist and they all have a right to exist, and exist openly! If you disagree with that, that is your opinion and you have every right to have that opinion, just pls stay civilised about it.
ZOS, your way of representation in this game is really awesome. Normaly I roll my eyes when games include homosexuality or transsexuality, because... its mostly rubbed in your face and a big deal is made about it.
A good recent example is Mass Effect Andromeda, where the character in question just goes "Oh yeah, i am so Transgender, so much, do you get it?" for no reason at all... terrible made...
But in ESO, you just make these people exist. Thats it. No big deal made about it, no forced moral lesson, hell, in many cases you can miss it if you dont listen carefully. Its just a part of life in ESO, as it should be. And you never have the feeling that these Characters were created with their sexuality as a primary character trait. They are just characters who happen to be that way.
I wish every game/movie etc. would handel the subject as good as you did in ESO. Great job on that front, keep up the good work.
@Everyone else: Please dont leave any hate here. Whether you like it or not, people of all sexualities exist and they all have a right to exist, and exist openly! If you disagree with that, that is your opinion and you have every right to have that opinion, just pls stay civilised about it.
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DeathStalker_X✭✭✭Certainly the best representation in any video game so far. Seamless integration and very natural.
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Dinokstrun✭✭✭Absolutely dead right. It's not forced in your face like you see in tv shows and movies these days. Too much forced agenda makes it feel unbearable.15 -
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✭✭✭✭✭One of the things I like about the approach in ESO is this.
When you come across it, it is just natural and every day. Exactly like it would be in real life if these things weren't a social issue.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Zathras✭✭✭✭✭I agree, but I also see this thread becoming a cesspit soon. It always happens, then it gets locked.For a moment, nothing happened. Then, after a second or so, nothing continued to happen. - Douglas Adams
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✭✭✭✭Totally agree.
I really like the way this is done. It is both subtle and full of deep meaning. I like the way that in a world of war, constant slaughter and dragons, there are little pockets of love hidden away.
My personal favourite is The Flower of Youth
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AlboMalefica✭✭✭✭Yeah I agree OP, as a "gaymer" I do like how it's just a part of the world & not thrown down everyone's throat. We are not special, we're people just like everyone else.
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✭✭✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »But in ESO, you just make these people exist. Thats it. No big deal made about it, no forced moral lesson, hell, in many cases you can miss it if you dont listen carefully. Its just a part of life in ESO, as it should be. And you never have the feeling that these Characters were created with their sexuality as a primary character trait. They are just characters who happen to be that way.
I've always thought that was an awesome thing about ESO, well said!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ESO's come a long way from Skyrim, which had same-sex PC-only marriage and two dead gay NPCs.
My favorite is the two Bosmer husbands in Greenshade, but I also really like Velsa and Narahni in the Thieves Guild.
The House of Revelries quest in Rellenthil was very well done.I loved that it expands what magic can do with gender, and that the conflict is more about how the siblings deal with their dreams than the actual gender change.7 -
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That one hit me right in the feels.Totally agree.
I really like the way this is done. It is both subtle and full of deep meaning. I like the way that in a world of war, constant slaughter and dragons, there are little pockets of love hidden away.
My personal favourite is The Flower of Youth
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I like the way that in a world of war, constant slaughter and dragons, there are little pockets of love hidden away.
One of my favorites is actually not even a quest, its just dialoge on two NPCs in Coldharbour that most poeple most likely didnt even see.
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Rukia541✭✭✭✭✭Agree'd, can't stand it in other games just feels like SJW cancer. In ESO it feels natural.6
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Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Agree'd, can't stand it in other games just feels like SJW cancer. In ESO it feels natural.
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Rain_Greyraven wrote: »
I am in Summerset right now, I didnt see anything that felt forced here... actually, a quest in Summerset gave me the final push to make this Thread3 -
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✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »
I am in Summerset right now, I didnt see anything that felt forced here... actually, a quest in Summerset gave me the final push to make this Thread
Yeah, I don't recall anything being forced there either. Forced is Andromeda's "Nice to meet you I'm gay. Did I mention I'm gay? I came to this other galaxy because I'm gay and my home galaxy where half the population was gay not including an entire race of gay people hated gay people and I'm gay so I came here to be gay. Did I tell you I was gay yet?" Sad to say that's not the only or even the worst SJW sin that game committed.
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✭That's indeed well done, and it's actually been well done since at least my first Elder Scrolls game, Morrowind, back in 2002. It's simply part of that universe and, as you say it, just a part of it, not a big deal made to be noticed.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I rather enjoyed talking to an Argonian NPC in Murkmire who explained that some Argonians can and do change gender via the Hist. I thought that was both clever and intriguing.
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »I rather enjoyed talking to an Argonian NPC in Murkmire who explained that some Argonians can and do change gender via the Hist. I thought that was both clever and intriguing.
Didnt even knew that yet^^0 -
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✭✭✭✭I have to say, the same thing is true about Dr Who -- now female. I thought (even though the writing in general let the series down plot-wise) it was well handled and very well done, precisely because it wasn't dealt with. He's just a she now, no biggie -- no explanation, no big whoop -- still got a who lot of running to do
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✭✭✭✭✭Dinokstrun wrote: »Absolutely dead right. It's not forced in your face like you see in tv shows and movies these days. Too much forced agenda makes it feel unbearable.
I may not be understanding you correctly. But why is it considered "forcing" someone's sexuality when it's presented in an overt way only when it comes to homosexuality?
I don't recall this same argument being made during the thousands (perhaps millions) of shows and movies that have heterosexual relationships thrust on the screen in graphic detail. So I've never understood the logic behind this argument that in order to represent homosexuals you have to be subtle with how you present it - otherwise you are "forcing" it.Edited by Jeremy on June 9, 2019 8:29PM5 -
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✭✭✭✭Dinokstrun wrote: »Absolutely dead right. It's not forced in your face like you see in tv shows and movies these days. Too much forced agenda makes it feel unbearable.
I may not be understanding you correctly. But why is it considered "forcing" someone's sexuality when it's presented in an overt way only when it comes to homosexuality?
I don't recall this same argument being made during the thousands (perhaps millions) of shows and movies that have heterosexual relationships thrust on the screen in graphic detail.
He's referring to the way it's forcefully dealt with -- artificially through unnecessary exposition and weird dialog instead of just being. Arthur, a kids programme, had a same sex marriage earlier this year -- there was no sit down and talk about 2 men who were so deeply in love that they tied the the knot, it just happened, organically and naturally in the same way a heterosexual marriage would be screened. Clarence, another kids program, sees one child with 2 moms, again, handled without question or slanted looks, just normal -- most LGBTQ representation is done via tokenised representation, awkwardly inserted into media and a whole song and dance is thrust up around it, like it has to be justified -- truth is, it doesn't. Handled well == it just is, no need to explain to your audience why you're doing it...Edited by mairwen85 on June 9, 2019 8:34PM9 -
mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Dinokstrun wrote: »Absolutely dead right. It's not forced in your face like you see in tv shows and movies these days. Too much forced agenda makes it feel unbearable.
I may not be understanding you correctly. But why is it considered "forcing" someone's sexuality when it's presented in an overt way only when it comes to homosexuality?
I don't recall this same argument being made during the thousands (perhaps millions) of shows and movies that have heterosexual relationships thrust on the screen in graphic detail. So I've never understood the logic behind this argument that in order to represent homosexuals you have to be subtle with how you present it - otherwise you are "forcing" it.
The main problem about this, and why it feels really force, is that most times the sexuality is the main character trait, and its also often paired with over the top virtue signaling.
The point isnt that you have to be subtle, the point is that you should present these characters naturally. A Character that reminds you every 5 minutes how homosexual or transexual he is really defeats the purpose here. And before you ask, yes, heterosexual characters whos main characteristic is their sexuality are just as bad.10 -
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✭✭✭I'll give them that for credit for sure those homosexual characters are just there no one questions it just role with it. They don't explode into rainbows and glitter to announce it they mention wife or husband with all the seriousness of a straight couple without batting an eye. Props to it4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »Dinokstrun wrote: »Absolutely dead right. It's not forced in your face like you see in tv shows and movies these days. Too much forced agenda makes it feel unbearable.
I may not be understanding you correctly. But why is it considered "forcing" someone's sexuality when it's presented in an overt way only when it comes to homosexuality?
I don't recall this same argument being made during the thousands (perhaps millions) of shows and movies that have heterosexual relationships thrust on the screen in graphic detail. So I've never understood the logic behind this argument that in order to represent homosexuals you have to be subtle with how you present it - otherwise you are "forcing" it.
The main problem about this, and why it feels really force, is that most times the sexuality is the main character trait, and its also often paired with over the top virtue signaling.
The point isnt that you have to be subtle, the point is that you should present these characters naturally. A Character that reminds you every 5 minutes how homosexual or transexual he is really defeats the purpose here. And before you ask, yes, heterosexual characters whos main characteristic is their sexuality are just as bad.
Well as you suggest, that's true of a lot of characters. James Bond for example: his sexuality is certainly one of his main character traits. Yet I never remember anyone making the argument that the Bond Movies are "forcing" his heterosexuality on everyone else because those films like to remind you ever 5 minutes he likes to have sex with woman. Nor are his relationships with woman presented in a "natural" way.
It just seems to me like this whole "forcing their sexuality" thing on you is reserved for homosexuality in particular - while heterosexual characters are free to be as overtly sexual as they want without having to deal with this criticism.Edited by Jeremy on June 9, 2019 8:39PM4
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