Should normal dlc dungeons drop monster set head piece?

RodneyRegis · June 2019

No

Erelah wrote: »

Personally I run a healer when I monster helm farming. That way I know I pass the DPS check I may also tank for faster Vet dungeons. As another poster pointed out the monster helms are able to be obtained from a vendor.

The objections to it seems to be it must be earned. To that I have two answers. It was someone earned the money to purchase a video game which sole purpose is to be enjoyed in the ways the game developers have stated we may which is compliance with the terms of service which we agreed upon when installing and after several updates.

The second objection of why else would someone run a dungeon ignores the fact that a monster helm is a 100% drop. The shoulders however are not. The other armor sets are not. People may run the vet dungeons for the keys (two rather than one). Or people may simply like the harder challenge (some people like overcoming challenges just for fun). Another reason is Dungeons are fun. I love Running banishing Cells I and II simply because I love Relis' comments to the Keepers.

Earned when you paid for the game? Lol.

Why put it on normal? Why not just have all items automatically in your infinite inventory?

I was disgusted when I first played mariocart that I actually had to race to win. After all, I paid for the game, so I earnt it.

HappyLittleTree · June 2019

No

No and yes only as cosmetic no effects

Shantu · June 2019

Other

First let me say I have my Zaan, Velidreth, etc. and earned them the hard way. That being said, I think there's far to much stigma placed on this gear like it's some kind of elitist badge of honor. ZOS could sell them for a few pieces of gold for all I care. None of this gear makes you a better player. Let the 99% of players who will never complete a vet DLC have their fun. So you got Zaan and your 3k dps boost on a dummy and feel good about yourself. What's the harm? Most of the vMA weapons are baloney. Guess what? Your non-perfected gear works just fine. But one thing I do take pride in is my Stormproof title. I don't use a single Master's weapon from vDSA, yet I enjoy my group that worked hard to master that content with ease immensely. Attaching a false sense of importance to gear by hiding it behind content most players will never complete is just silly.

There is one guy in one of my guilds who is schizophrenic (no I'm not kidding). He knows all the game's gear inside and out and is obsessed with it. He corrects us all the time if we make the slightest mistake talking about it. But you know what? Because of his condition and the medication he needs to deal with it, he couldn't master 15k dps for all the money in the world. He gets carried through a lot of content so he gets his gear. It makes him feel like a million bucks. If you "You gotta earn it!" types would come down off your high horse for a second, there's a message there.

Numerikuu · June 2019

Other

If they ever did, it should be a lesser variant.

karekiz · June 2019

Shantu wrote: »

"You gotta earn it!" types would come down off your high horse for a second, there's a message there.

You are right. Lets vendor all gear for 0 gold and make this a "PLAY FOR FUN!" game.

There is a reason that games still do gear as an incentive. There is a reason they added "Perfected" tags to items. Slogging through a dungeon should have fun rewards, yes its fun to down hard content, but I want a prize too.

Starlock · June 2019

Yes

It would incentivize me to run DLC dungeons, though not as much as getting rid of bind-on-pickup for all 4-person dungeons. As it stands currently, I pretty much ignore DLC dungeons and their gear.

Darkenarlol · June 2019

No

if you can't complete vet you are not just not deserving that gear

but actually don't need it yet because with your poor performance due

to bad build/sets/rotation/skill/whatever some monster set that can

improve your build for 0.5-2% is one of the last things to concern

Erelah · June 2019

Yes

RodneyRegis wrote: »

Erelah wrote: »

Personally I run a healer when I monster helm farming. That way I know I pass the DPS check I may also tank for faster Vet dungeons. As another poster pointed out the monster helms are able to be obtained from a vendor.

The objections to it seems to be it must be earned. To that I have two answers. It was someone earned the money to purchase a video game which sole purpose is to be enjoyed in the ways the game developers have stated we may which is compliance with the terms of service which we agreed upon when installing and after several updates.

The second objection of why else would someone run a dungeon ignores the fact that a monster helm is a 100% drop. The shoulders however are not. The other armor sets are not. People may run the vet dungeons for the keys (two rather than one). Or people may simply like the harder challenge (some people like overcoming challenges just for fun). Another reason is Dungeons are fun. I love Running banishing Cells I and II simply because I love Relis' comments to the Keepers.

Earned when you paid for the game? Lol.

Why put it on normal? Why not just have all items automatically in your infinite inventory?

I was disgusted when I first played mariocart that I actually had to race to win. After all, I paid for the game, so I earnt it.

The purpose of the Mario Cart is to race in a cart. Are you saying that the purpose of Elder Scrolls online is to run Vet Dungeons for a monster helm? Otherwise your counter argument is nothing more than a straw man attack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Neyane · June 2019

No

No get it in vet or wait for it to appear at the golden. I’ve seen velidreth in the golden quite a few times. Just an example.

DarkShadowFax · June 2019

No

You dont need any of the vDLC monster sets to hit 40k. In a similar way, you dont need any of the chapter gear to hit 40k either. And certainly not the perfected gear.
If you're at the level where you can clear vDLC content without being carried then you're at the level where the monster sets are going to help you score push or progress mid-late game content, which the vast majority of the eso population isn't doing. And if you were doing such content then you wouldn't be having issues clearing vDLC dungeons.

And to the people saying they paid for the content: no one is stopping you from clearing vDLC dungeons but yourself. Everyone starts out as a scrub, and almost everyone is capable of learning to play a role with enough proficiency to clear a vDLC dungeon. If you are unable or otherwise unwilling to put in the effort needed to pull your own weight then you can still pay for a carry.

SoLooney · June 2019

MorganaLaVey wrote: »

I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.

How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket

You dont need zaan to hit 40k dps

gronoxvx · June 2019

No

no.

if this was implemented who would even step foot in a vet dungeon other than achievement hunters?

HappyTheCamper · June 2019

No

This is literally a participation trophy question but for ESO.

You do not need those helms to have vet dungeon quality dps. Those helmets do, however, help people achieve max levels for dps, and should very much so be locked behind veteran only.

Normal dungeons take mechanics completely out sometimes. You can’t award helmets for that’s stuff.

Itzmichi · June 2019

No

What's the point of playing the game if not the way towards the gratification? 🤔

LordGavus · June 2019

No

Nah. If you want the helm you should work towards getting it. If you cant complete the vet dungeons, you really dont need the helm anyway.

Example, my zaan (scalecaller peak) does 2k dps, my ilambris (crypt of hearts 1) does 1.5k dps.

One is from a dlc dungeon, the other is one of the easiest dungeons.

The dps difference is not going to make or break a build.

If you are unable to complete vscp then that 500 difference not going to matter

Grandma · June 2019

No

1) you only need the monster sets for hard content to begin with, if you don't have any motivation to do any hard content why do you need monster sets?

2) they show up on the weekend golden vendor very frequently. the BiS stamina set- velidreth- was on just last weekend.

3) a lot of the good ones aren't even from dlc dungeons. it's seriously not that bad.

Robo_Hobo · June 2019

No

I think it's fine as is, there's still the golden vendor where you can buy the helm you want when it shows up there. Just bought a Velidreth helm myself from her. Never did Vet Cradle of Shadows.

Maybe a small chance of getting a helm on normal could work, but nothing more than that - need to save some things for Vet non-HM incentives.

DocFrost72 · June 2019

Imperfect monster helms: no 1 piece bonus (they disable the 1 piece of the shoulders) and the effects are slightly mitigated.

That could drop from normal imho.

highkingnm · June 2019

No

Whether it’s trials, dungeons or arenas I use same rule. If you can’t do the content, you don’t need the helm. If vCoS is a nightmare or something you dread, you are not in a position where Velidreth will do you much good. If you only need it for PvP, get it from vendor when up.

gimpdrb14_ESO · June 2019

Yes

Since you can buy them from the pvp vendor I say why not.

Starlock · June 2019

Yes

highkingnm wrote: »

Whether it’s trials, dungeons or arenas I use same rule. If you can’t do the content, you don’t need the helm. If vCoS is a nightmare or something you dread, you are not in a position where Velidreth will do you much good. If you only need it for PvP, get it from vendor when up.

You and anyone else who believes this overlooks other reasons people use sets. Have you heard of people who... you know... play this game for FUN? Who are not into the competitive junk and just want something because it has a cool visual effect or complements their character concept? Sorry, but these people need stuff too.

Agenericname · June 2019

No

gronoxvx wrote: »

no.

if this was implemented who would even step foot in a vet dungeon other than achievement hunters?

Me. I have all the helms and still do them.

Starlock wrote: »

highkingnm wrote: »

Whether it’s trials, dungeons or arenas I use same rule. If you can’t do the content, you don’t need the helm. If vCoS is a nightmare or something you dread, you are not in a position where Velidreth will do you much good. If you only need it for PvP, get it from vendor when up.

You and anyone else who believes this overlooks other reasons people use sets. Have you heard of people who... you know... play this game for FUN? Who are not into the competitive junk and just want something because it has a cool visual effect or complements their character concept? Sorry, but these people need stuff too.

They desire stuff. Zaans isn't a requirement and elevating it to that status is basically doing what everyone accuses "elitists" of doing.

Starlock · June 2019

Yes

Agenericname wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

no.

if this was implemented who would even step foot in a vet dungeon other than achievement hunters?

Me. I have all the helms and still do them.

Starlock wrote: »

highkingnm wrote: »

Whether it’s trials, dungeons or arenas I use same rule. If you can’t do the content, you don’t need the helm. If vCoS is a nightmare or something you dread, you are not in a position where Velidreth will do you much good. If you only need it for PvP, get it from vendor when up.

You and anyone else who believes this overlooks other reasons people use sets. Have you heard of people who... you know... play this game for FUN? Who are not into the competitive junk and just want something because it has a cool visual effect or complements their character concept? Sorry, but these people need stuff too.

They desire stuff. Zaans isn't a requirement and elevating it to that status is basically doing what everyone accuses "elitists" of doing.

Folks are using the word “need” in this thread. I am simply adopting their terminology. I think we all know full well that no item in the game is “needed” to do anything, strictly speaking. Though not having certain items would really hamper a lot of us, so I guess that’s why somone else started with the word “need.”

Emma_Overload · June 2019

Yes

XDark_One13 wrote: »

It’s not locked behind vet mode. You can buy them from the golden vendor. I’ve purchased all of my monster helms this way and several shoulders because I don’t do vet dungeons.

ZAAN has never been at the vendor. It may not even be on the drop list!

Elwendryll · June 2019

No

DarkShadowFax wrote: »

You dont need any of the vDLC monster sets to hit 40k. In a similar way, you dont need any of the chapter gear to hit 40k either. And certainly not the perfected gear.
If you're at the level where you can clear vDLC content without being carried then you're at the level where the monster sets are going to help you score push or progress mid-late game content, which the vast majority of the eso population isn't doing. And if you were doing such content then you wouldn't be having issues clearing vDLC dungeons.

And to the people saying they paid for the content: no one is stopping you from clearing vDLC dungeons but yourself. Everyone starts out as a scrub, and almost everyone is capable of learning to play a role with enough proficiency to clear a vDLC dungeon. If you are unable or otherwise unwilling to put in the effort needed to pull your own weight then you can still pay for a carry.

I play stamsorc. I use Stormfist (Tempest Island - Base Game), Vicious Ophidian (Craglorn trials - Base Game), Veiled Heritance (Auridon Overland - Base Game), and a vMA Bow (Maelstrom Arena - Orsinium DLC). Ok I used transmutation for the jewelry (Summerset chapter), but it shouldn't matter much. And with that, I do 40k+ dps if someone provides a fracture. And in vet dungeons it can go high up to 46-52k because the fights are shorter than a solo 3M dummy and I get ton of support. New players vastly underestimate the value of practice in this game, it's easy when you struggle and hit a progression wall to blame the gear you wear, I once equipped my little brother with nearly BiS gear, and he couldn't break 15k dps.

So please, any new player willing to improve, start by correctly indentifying what's holding you back, it's not exotic monster sets locked behind vet DLC dungeons, people have been doing more dps than what you currently do even before it was released. Go beat that dummy

Ildun · June 2019

No, but make them and weapon sets tradeable,

Kolache · June 2019

Other

Maybe an "imperfect" head piece that just has slightly lower stats.

JadonSky · June 2019

No

I'm more for making the game harder not easier.

zvavi · June 2019

Other

Guys. We are forgetting something very important. Monster helms are part of the undaunted guild which are warrior fanatics that support challenge and honor fighting hard fights. Making the undaunted gear drop in normal, will hurt the game's immersion.

itehache · June 2019

No

Then why would I bother doing the dungeon in vet mode?