It's time to raise the cap on bank space

stitchesofdooom · June 2019

As far as I know, the bank space cap has never been raised. Over the last 5 years, more and more items have been added.
And yes, I appreciate that chests have been introduced, which is helpful, but with the miriad of new items, bank space is still lacking.

This is the part where someone tells me to "just subscribe".

In response to any comments of that regard, I will say this:
We all know that supporting the Games-as-a-Service model is bad for gaming and bad for the gamer.
We all know that massive profits are made without microtransactions or loot boxes.
We all know that it costs, at the absolute most, $0.15/active player/month to run servers.
We all know that the more we support this greedy model: the worse games will be, the more agressive the predatory monetizations will be, the more pay to win games will become.

I don't sub (unless I need crowns for DLC - coz then I'm just buying DLC) because I know that not buying into GaaS means fighting anti consumerism. I support the game just fine.

So yeah, we need the cap on bank space raised please.

Dojohoda · June 2019

It'd be nice to have some more space.

disintegr8 · June 2019

I think that bank space should have increased over time in line with the addition of new items. Aside from using storage chests, the bank storage cap has not risen in line with the increase in new items which take up inventory space, such as:
Poison ingredients/reagents, new recipes, introduction of furniture, furniture recipes/diagrams.
Jewelry crafting and materials, new motifs and style pages, additional sets and monster sets.

And for the record, I'm a subber.
(at least we can now stack motifs and recipes, which should have been there at the start)

kargen27 · June 2019

I wouldn't mind more bank space but really it will not fix anything. We will have the new space filled in a few days and then want more space.

"We all know that supporting the Games-as-a-Service model is bad for gaming and bad for the gamer."

Nah, it helps keep games fresh. One time purchase stand alone games no matter how good after a while get stale and that ends your playing that game. It allows companies to put much more money into development at the starting stages of designing a game when they know the as a service model will extend the life of the game.

We don't know any of that other stuff either. At best you may suspect.

russelmmendoza · June 2019

Yes please!

Since eso is already 5 years young, raise bank and carrying capacity to 500.

What? Too much?

SoLooney · June 2019

I would like to have access to storage chests from the bank, like additional tabs in the bank interface

Dark_Lord_Kuro · June 2019

stitchesofdooom wrote: »

As far as I know, the bank space cap has never been raised. Over the last 5 years, more and more items have been added.
And yes, I appreciate that chests have been introduced, which is helpful, but with the miriad of new items, bank space is still lacking.

This is the part where someone tells me to "just subscribe".

In response to any comments of that regard, I will say this:
We all know that supporting the Games-as-a-Service model is bad for gaming and bad for the gamer.
We all know that massive profits are made without microtransactions or loot boxes.
We all know that it costs, at the absolute most, $0.15/active player/month to run servers.
We all know that the more we support this greedy model: the worse games will be, the more agressive the predatory monetizations will be, the more pay to win games will become.

I don't sub (unless I need crowns for DLC - coz then I'm just buying DLC) because I know that not buying into GaaS means fighting anti consumerism. I support the game just fine.

So yeah, we need the cap on bank space raised please.

The space is there with the sub but you dont want it so its your problem

idk · June 2019

Bank space has been doubled since the game launched. Zos tied that into ESO+ and I think we would be correct to assume that was a well thought out business decision Zos made.

kargen27 · June 2019

idk wrote: »

Bank space has been doubled since the game launched. Zos tied that into ESO+ and I think we would be correct to assume that was a well thought out business decision Zos made.

And if you play the game three hours a month it is cheaper entertainment than going to see a movie. Added bonus you don't have to sneak snacks in.

Emma_Overload · June 2019

Bank space needs to be about 1000 (2000 with ESO+). Many people on these forums are in denial about how many sets have been added to the game. Even with all chests and personal guild bank, I'm finally out of space. Deconstructing sets is not an option. Many of them were hard to obtain or cost a lot of gold. Deconning some of those sets would be like throwing away weeks of my life!

Prof_Bawbag · June 2019

No idea about PC, but I have eso+ on console and going through the bank when you have 480 spaces available is nothing short of a pain at times. Takes waaaay too long to scroll through. I'm all for more storage, but adding even more slots to the bank isn't the way to do it. Especially if you have eso+ and with that being one of the main perks, they'd have to increase it further for subscribers too. I try to only have around 350 items in my bank due to the scrolling involved. Used to use the 480 spaces but I barely used any items out of those 480 spaces.

Obviously non subscribers have to contend with having no craft bag, so I can see both sides.

sho_nuff · June 2019

I’d prefer a furniture bag to increased bank space.

idk · June 2019

sho_nuff wrote: »

I’d prefer a furniture bag to increased bank space.

Zos specifically stated there is a technical challenge with a furniture bag due to the volume of furnishings available. It is not like the crafting bag where there is much fewer items. It seems to be about the number of different items in play and the limits with how they designed the db involved.

But yes, I have suggested a furnishing bag for all and an armory for ESO+.

RodneyRegis · June 2019

I cannot imagine what console inventory management is like without filters, item saver, sort and all inventory add-ons. I'd stop playing if those became unavailable.

blnchk · June 2019

I don't get the argument regarding ESO+. People run out of space even with ESO+, and with the ever-increasing number of items this game throws at you, that's completely unsurprising. Raising the bank capacity would not be detrimental to subscribers – in fact it would benefit them more than non-subscribers.

And sure, there are ways to be smart about storage, but you don't need to be a hoarder to be bothered by the way bank space never seems to be reviewed, DLC after DLC. All you need to do is value your time, your nerves and your peace of mind.

Even ten more slots per expansion would be something. Some sort of official acknowledgment, at the very least. Honestly, it's about time.

Tommy_The_Gun · June 2019

Just do a simple calculation: how many crafting items there are in ESO.

Even if you would keep just one stack of top tier crafting materials and rare motif style materials, curently, you will end up with something like 270, while bank has 240 max slots.
I did similar calculation when Summerset chapter came out, and back then it was something like 237 items.

So during a year we get more or less 33 new crafting materials. Granted, many of those were jewelry crafting materials, but that still leves about 10 - 15 new crafting materials per year. This issue needs to be adressed ASP. The longer it is ignored, the more problematic it will be to solve.
Adding new crafting skill line (spell crafting ?) would have a catastrophic results for vast majority of players.

I can understand ESO+ craft bag being a "convenience" , but I will never understand it being a necessity in a b2p game.

Deep_01 · June 2019

L2Manage_space

MLGProPlayer · June 2019

They increased it for subscribers. They also added housing storage.

Some tips:

Use mules
Use housing storage
Don't hoard

I don't subscribe anymore and have no issues with inventory.

vesselwiththepestle · June 2019

Add sieges (!!!!!!) and potions/poisons bag please.

Increase bank space by 100 (200 for subbers).

Make more items stackable (glyphs, intricates, sieges).

I am a subber and Inventory space isn't enough. I am still spending lots of time just for inventory management. If I were to unsub I had to delete entire build options from my characters to have free bank space again (I'm nearly always at 400+ bank slots filled and 100-150 inventory slots filled on characters).

Add more base game inventory management features. Especially for console. On Pc we've got at least Inventory Insight...

Easily_Lost · June 2019

If you are talking about crafting mats, why not buy from Guild Traders when you need to make more food / drinks or potions / poisons. instead of hording them.

bmnoble · June 2019

Won't happen, a lot of players sub for the craft bag, they have kept the storage space small to make people subscribe for the convenience of extra storage space.

If it did happen it would probably just be an expansion of the bank space of those using ESO plus, eg going from double to triple slots with sub.

If you don't want to subscribe, use storage chests or max out the inventory on alts, you don't need to hold everything in your bank all the time.

I have ESO plus and have plenty of stuff stored on alts that I don't use but want to hold onto for later.

Be thankful there is no currency cap for gold, in SWTOR free to play players can only store 300K of credits, the rest gets held onto until they subscribe, they are basically excluded from the in game auction house, lucky if they can afford to buy anything off other players in the game, when some items sell for millions and in some cases billions of credits.

Hell in SWTOR you have to pay their equivalent of crowns just to unlock the in game storage option, before you can start using credits to increase storage space.

Darkenarlol · June 2019

not needed (15 chars, lots of sets,

all monster sets in all weights,

lot of housing items, still have space)

but if limit increase happens make it for ESO+ only

idk · June 2019

blnchk wrote: »

I don't get the argument regarding ESO+. People run out of space even with ESO+, and with the ever-increasing number of items this game throws at you, that's completely unsurprising. Raising the bank capacity would not be detrimental to subscribers – in fact it would benefit them more than non-subscribers.

And sure, there are ways to be smart about storage, but you don't need to be a hoarder to be bothered by the way bank space never seems to be reviewed, DLC after DLC. All you need to do is value your time, your nerves and your peace of mind.

Even ten more slots per expansion would be something. Some sort of official acknowledgment, at the very least. Honestly, it's about time.

My comment about ESO+ is directly about Zos had clearly made a conscious decision to add bank storage behind ESO+.

While I am all for more storage, your points about storage issues do not hold water. When Zos added the crafting bag that opened up a lot of storage for me yet that filled really fast. Faster than Zos added items to the game. Same thing happened when Zos doubled the bank storage. I ended up getting smarter about what I stored stopped hording stuff just because It happened to drop and go through inventory twice a month to make sure I keep it under control.

No matter how much storage Zos gives me I will still have to be smart about my storage so suggesting Zos adding more gear to the game that I will never use is not a strong argument. There are better arguments that could be made.

Tommy_The_Gun · June 2019

Most ppl here seem to overlook one important thing. Bank space, aside from your inventory is the ONLY storage that is visable by crafting stations.

Curently, if you decide to keep only top tier crafting + motif style materials you will end up with something like 270 slots vs 240 max bank space (if you would keep all crafting materials of all tiers then it would be something like 390 slots).

If you want to do crafting dailies on more than one character without eso+... You are more or less fu**ed.
And did I mention that once ZOS adds spell crafting it may even be hard to do on just ONE character ?

And what about ppl who dont use ESO+ , but have bought all the DLCs and Chapters ? Should they be fu**ed as well ?

blnchk · June 2019

idk wrote: »

blnchk wrote: »

I don't get the argument regarding ESO+. People run out of space even with ESO+, and with the ever-increasing number of items this game throws at you, that's completely unsurprising. Raising the bank capacity would not be detrimental to subscribers – in fact it would benefit them more than non-subscribers.

And sure, there are ways to be smart about storage, but you don't need to be a hoarder to be bothered by the way bank space never seems to be reviewed, DLC after DLC. All you need to do is value your time, your nerves and your peace of mind.

Even ten more slots per expansion would be something. Some sort of official acknowledgment, at the very least. Honestly, it's about time.

My comment about ESO+ is directly about Zos had clearly made a conscious decision to add bank storage behind ESO+.

While I am all for more storage, your points about storage issues do not hold water. When Zos added the crafting bag that opened up a lot of storage for me yet that filled really fast. Faster than Zos added items to the game. Same thing happened when Zos doubled the bank storage. I ended up getting smarter about what I stored stopped hording stuff just because It happened to drop and go through inventory twice a month to make sure I keep it under control.

No matter how much storage Zos gives me I will still have to be smart about my storage so suggesting Zos adding more gear to the game that I will never use is not a strong argument. There are better arguments that could be made.

Of course people will always have to make decisions about what to keep. Since this game monetises storage, it would be unrealistic to expect otherwise. I don't subscribe, so I don't hoard by default. My bank space is for materials. Note that I wrote about acknowledgement, not enablement.

It doesn't seem unreasonable to expect bank space to bear relation to the number of items in the game. I assume that the current maximum capacity was originally calculated with this in mind, but it's never been updated to keep up with expansions and DLCs. Housing storage doesn't make up for that.

DLM · June 2019

sho_nuff wrote: »

I’d prefer a furniture bag to increased bank space.

That would be the most clever choice. All furnitures would be considered collection like trophies and whatnots at the moment, thus freeing inventory space.

Nestor · June 2019

With the load on the server increasing with bag space upgrades, they could probably only add more Offline Storage, which is what our housing storage is. Online storage is loaded and tracked with each player.

Even then bag space increases of any kind are needed.

zaria · June 2019

Nestor wrote: »

With the load on the server increasing with bag space upgrades, they could probably only add more Offline Storage, which is what our housing storage is. Online storage is loaded and tracked with each player.

Even then bag space increases of any kind are needed.

Would be happy enough with more and larger storage chests.

jcm2606 · June 2019

Nestor wrote: »

With the load on the server increasing with bag space upgrades, they could probably only add more Offline Storage, which is what our housing storage is. Online storage is loaded and tracked with each player.

Even then bag space increases of any kind are needed.

Increasing inventory size wouldn't worsen the load on the servers. The servers are just storing more data, not doing more calculations, and even then, the data used by the game's inventory system could probably be made more efficient. I imagine each stack in a given container (character inventory, bank, chest, etc) is stored as a single entry, so 10 full stacks would be stored as 10 separate entries.

If we assume the stack size is stored in a variable called "stackSize", they could make it more efficient by adding a new variable called "fullStacks" which stores the amount of full stacks of this item is stored in this container, and renaming "stackSize" to "partialStack", which stores the amount of items in the top-most partial stack.

Say we had 3 full stacks of rubedite ingot, and a partial stack of, say, 37. Under how I think the current inventory system works, we have 4 separate entries of rubedite ingot, 3 of which have "stackSize" set to "200", and 1 has it set to "37". Under this new system, you have a single entry of rubedite ingot, where "fullStacks" is set to "3", and "partialStack" is set to "37". When "partialStack" reaches the max stack size, add "1" to "fullStacks", and reset "partialStack" to "0". We've added a new variable to each entry, but we've removed three entire entries, so overall we need to store less data.

Switching to a more efficient inventory system could allow them to add more slots, while reducing the amount of data stored.

Thrawniel · June 2019

I sub, and even I would love more banking space.

I passed up on couple of recent furnishing packs because I did not have time to decorate right away, and had no space to store it.

Or maybe just add more storage chests. Or something. Furniture is a relatively new feature and is a major space-eater. So basic system needs to get updated to accommodate it.

CambionDaemon · June 2019

Increase bank space to 500, and give ESO+ tabs for furniture. That would solve the problem, in my opinion.