Just an FYI; ZoS will suspend you and delete your threads if they are in any way critical of the developers. They're allowed to *** up but they wont allow customers to talk about it.

There is nothing wrong with Frostvault. If you're dying to "instant death" mechanics, then maybe it's time to try something new. Vault Protector can be a bear, but there's nothing game-breaking, or earth-shattering about how the mechanics work. Find the first beam and then work your way clockwise or counterclockwise to avoid the beams.

'I cant do this content even though others easily can, its the dungeon that's at fault!'


All I heard because if you are complaining about the difficulty of ANY 4 man dungeon vet or normal then its YOU that's the problem!

Well the rest of us have no issues...should point out what the problem is. In the IT world, this is known as a Layer 8 issue.

It depends if that boss is still bugged. When it first launched the boss wouldn’t always protect from the beams, sometimes it spawned four beams before he even hit 60% hp, sometimes he would get stuck in place standing up while the beams went off, sometimes you’d get 6 beams at 50%

I haven’t don’t much since getting the pet, it’s just a pain to hope that fight will be functional. Honestly everything else in there is fine, it’s just the Vault Protector boss

abigfishy wrote: »

Hey thanks to everyone that responded to the thread I read all of your feedback. It is two days later and I feel much more positive. I do like that there is difficult content in the game and big props to whoever designed Frostvault for achieving that but here is my suggestion.

Vet - keep it difficult. Put in multiple instant kill mechanics - oh wait you already have - so put in even more. Make it difficult, make it so the hardcore people have a real challenge. The people that complain the game is too easy will have nothing to complain about. Awesome!

Normal - make it achievable if you are going to keep it in the daily random rotation. Lots of people like to do these for the lore, for the story, to see the amazing look of the place and for fun. I do not really want to have ask everyone to wait while I study a tutorial in order to complete my daily random normal dungeon.

As said above for some, "This is easy I just get on my CP810 character with all gold BIS gear and three CP810 friends and we actually find it too simple." That is not the average player doing a daily random.

People who don't PUG forget about your typical PUG, a DPS who just spams bow light attacks, a "tank" with light armour/ destro staff who thought the DPS queue was too long, and a healer who levelled by being carried in Skyreach who has no idea what any of their skills do while still wearing their level 4 training gear for the extra XP.

PS: Sorry ESO for "bashing". You Devs do an amazing job in general. This was just a very unpleasant experience.

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but those kind of pug players shouldn’t have a great chance to clear dungeons, to be carried through, maybe, but if the whole group is 3/4 bads, well they should probably take it as a sign they need to improve when their performance is proved to be inadequate.

CGPsaint wrote: »

There is nothing wrong with Frostvault. If you're dying to "instant death" mechanics, then maybe it's time to try something new. Vault Protector can be a bear, but there's nothing game-breaking, or earth-shattering about how the mechanics work. Find the first beam and then work your way clockwise or counterclockwise to avoid the beams.

Just so you know, there are game breaking things in that boss, sometimes lasers pass through the boss. Sometimes his heavy cleave attacks are inconsistent and fire out a second or two after the animation for them is over.

I think the whole point of creating DLC dungeons is to provide something that is more challenging than regular dungeons for players of all level. Not everyone will be able to complete these the first time they try them.

In general I think the team are getting better with the design, although there are still annoying things with all of the dungeons.

Frostvault (and Depths of Malatar) in particular have the additional challenge in that they are more clearly bound to a story arc, so more less experienced/able players need to be able to finish the content.

Frostvault has some interesting bosses with lots of new-ish, often untelegraphed mechanics. So even on normal it can be confusing. Poorly worded death recaps don’t help players understand why they have died or, more importantly, how they might avoid dying in future. It should be possible for even the most unpracticed L45 team using just chat to come up with solutions to the challenges the dungeon presents, but in some cases here that’s just not the case. And that’s poor design/implementation.

When the laser boss works properly, it’s great fun. The mechanic is clear, and the trick is adapting to it. It’s not helped by the boss being buggy and by both ends of the laser beams being pretty much identical colours and shapes so it’s not immediately apparent which way the beam is going. It’s also not helped by being buggy as hell.

I enjoy the challenge of figuring out what a boss’s mechanics are and trying to devise and apply a tactic for overcoming them. I really like the first couple of weeks after a new dungeon has been released when no one is familiar with it and players are more open about working together to beat it. What I don’t enjoy is having to go through dungeon guides to ‘learn’ how to do a dungeon because the design is so bad it’s impossible to work it out.

In terms of the OP and daily randoms, it’s the nature of PUGs that they sometimes fail. I would love ESO+ subscribers to have the option of doing/not doing DLC dungeons as their random daily. It does no one any good to stuff a player into a dungeon they aren’t ready for and don’t want to do. Not every ESO+ subscriber is ready/capable/willing to do them and it seems moronic that the only way they can avoid getting a DLC dungeon as a daily is to unsubscribe.