Maintenance for the week of April 6:
• PC/Mac: No maintenance – April 6

About spying in cyrodiil

Xarc
Xarc
✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭
  • Without faction lock :
    "X" is a spy.
    He 's EP and wants to spy DC.
    He has a DC char, logs in and joins a LFG group in cyrodiil.
    Now he knows everything and follows the group, telling everyting in vocal/text chat to their EP guildmates the other side
  • With Faction lock :
    "X" is AD and wants to spy EP.
    He has a friend in AD named "Y". "Y" doesnt care about war, he only wants to get AP and fights, and can't no longer play with his friend "X"...
    "Y" will say everything to his friend "X" in vocal/text chat.

So, guys, please stop with "spies".

Edited by Xarc on June 3, 2019 9:48AM
@xarcs FR-EU-PC -
"Death is overrated", Xarc
Xãrc -- breton necro - DC - AvA rank50
Xarcus -- imperial DK - DC - AvA rank50 - pureclass DK
Xärc -- breton NB - DC - AvA rank49 - pureclass NB
Elnaa - breton NB - DC - AvA rank50 - healer
Isilenil - Altmer NB - AD - AvA rank41 - pureclass NB
Felisja - Bosmer NB - DC - AvA rank43 - pureclass NB
Sarah Cénia - Bosmer DK - DC - AvA rank23
Glàdys - redguard templar - DC - AvA rank40 - pureclass Templar
Xaljaa - breton NB - now EP - AvA rank40
Coquelìcot - breton NB - EP - AvA rank26
+ 10 other characters
* in game: since April 2014
* forum: since December 2014
  • Alex_Lex
    Alex_Lex
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    2nd account lets ignore that "locks" easily.
    EU: Beatrice gra-Brog, Rebellie, Yshterie, Jearra , Lirielline
    Christess, Fleuretta, Jubilee Cake, Braviliana, Onyxette
    M'adjirra, Dances-around-Nirn, Nerieth, Estrice, Ann der Wood
    Éternelle, Burns-all-the-babies, Jyggurag
    NA: Dice Twice, Nikka from the barrel
  • RedTalon
    RedTalon
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah it didn't solve the "problem, who would have guessed
  • Morgul667
    Morgul667
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    It seriously reduces the quantity of trolls and spies though

    Yes it is still possible but less, which is overall a good thing in my book

    Im all in for faction lock and most people are, except for a minor vocal population
  • Xarc
    Xarc
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    I like faction lock too. That's not the question here.

    It's for all the people talking about spying in cyrodiil, when I see "we dont say in zone chat where LFG group is going because of spies", this is absurd.
    We can't do anything against them.
    Maybe the faction lock reduced the amount of spies but they will still be and we have to play with theses people.
    After all, spying is a part of the war... (i'm against it but can't ignore it).
    @xarcs FR-EU-PC -
    "Death is overrated", Xarc
    Xãrc -- breton necro - DC - AvA rank50
    Xarcus -- imperial DK - DC - AvA rank50 - pureclass DK
    Xärc -- breton NB - DC - AvA rank49 - pureclass NB
    Elnaa - breton NB - DC - AvA rank50 - healer
    Isilenil - Altmer NB - AD - AvA rank41 - pureclass NB
    Felisja - Bosmer NB - DC - AvA rank43 - pureclass NB
    Sarah Cénia - Bosmer DK - DC - AvA rank23
    Glàdys - redguard templar - DC - AvA rank40 - pureclass Templar
    Xaljaa - breton NB - now EP - AvA rank40
    Coquelìcot - breton NB - EP - AvA rank26
    + 10 other characters
    * in game: since April 2014
    * forum: since December 2014
  • Mr_Walker
    Mr_Walker
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭
    RedTalon wrote: »
    Yeah it didn't solve the "problem, who would have guessed

    Only... *drum roll please* ... everyone who predicted it.
  • jcm2606
    jcm2606
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    Faction locking isn't meant to prevent spying, as you've pointed out, there's nothing stopping someone from spying, especially if they have a second account.

    Faction locking is meant to prevent faction hopping (playing on the winning faction, and when that faction inevitably starts losing, jump over to the new winning faction), keep flipping (AP farming), scroll flipping/trolling, and emp feeding (if a faction wants a particular person to be emp, they all log onto an opposing faction and let themselves be farmed by that person to push their leaderboard ranking up).
  • Zer0_CooL
    Zer0_CooL
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    I dont see any reason for "spying". Tactics in cyro are limited and predictable. Just need to know how to read the map.
    Edited by Zer0_CooL on June 3, 2019 10:33AM
  • Xarc
    Xarc
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    jcm2606 wrote: »

    Faction locking is meant to prevent faction hopping (playing on the winning faction, and when that faction inevitably starts losing, jump over to the new winning faction).

    this is the point of faction lock.

    Zer0_CooL wrote: »
    I dont see any reason for "spying" tactics in cyro are limited and prdictable. Just need to know how to read the map.

    Ye but for some people, cyrodiil is full of spies you know.
    Paranoïa, maybe because they're spies themselves and believe everyone is doing like them -_-
    Edited by Xarc on June 3, 2019 10:32AM
    @xarcs FR-EU-PC -
    "Death is overrated", Xarc
    Xãrc -- breton necro - DC - AvA rank50
    Xarcus -- imperial DK - DC - AvA rank50 - pureclass DK
    Xärc -- breton NB - DC - AvA rank49 - pureclass NB
    Elnaa - breton NB - DC - AvA rank50 - healer
    Isilenil - Altmer NB - AD - AvA rank41 - pureclass NB
    Felisja - Bosmer NB - DC - AvA rank43 - pureclass NB
    Sarah Cénia - Bosmer DK - DC - AvA rank23
    Glàdys - redguard templar - DC - AvA rank40 - pureclass Templar
    Xaljaa - breton NB - now EP - AvA rank40
    Coquelìcot - breton NB - EP - AvA rank26
    + 10 other characters
    * in game: since April 2014
    * forum: since December 2014
  • probabkyravi
    probabkyravi
    ✭✭✭
    lol xarcs, you are the salty king of spies

    hush

    you are complaining about not being able to spy

    RIPerooni
  • Tommy_The_Gun
    Tommy_The_Gun
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Xarcus wrote: »
    • Without faction lock :
      "X" is a spy.
      He 's EP and wants to spy DC.
      He has a DC char, logs in and joins a LFG group in cyrodiil.
      Now he knows everything and follows the group, telling everyting in vocal/text chat to their EP guildmates the other side
    • With Faction lock :
      "X" is AD and wants to spy EP.
      He has a friend in AD named "Y". "Y" doesnt care about war, he only wants to get AP and fights, and can't no longer play with his friend "X"...
      "Y" will say everything to his friend "X" in vocal/text chat.

    So, guys, please stop with "spies".

    Simple way to fix it rly. Just like other games have disabled between teams chat, same could be done in eso Cyro PvP.

    So you will be able to talk only to ppl that are in the same zone as you (Cyrodiil) and are the same faction as yours.
    If some one who is in other zone than cyro will try to whisper / message you, he/she will be also blocked.
  • Xarc
    Xarc
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    lol xarcs, you are the salty king of spies

    hush

    you are complaining about not being able to spy

    RIPerooni

    lol raviour.
    I wont start to discuss with you, i know what you did in sothasil with your ep friends .


    @xarcs FR-EU-PC -
    "Death is overrated", Xarc
    Xãrc -- breton necro - DC - AvA rank50
    Xarcus -- imperial DK - DC - AvA rank50 - pureclass DK
    Xärc -- breton NB - DC - AvA rank49 - pureclass NB
    Elnaa - breton NB - DC - AvA rank50 - healer
    Isilenil - Altmer NB - AD - AvA rank41 - pureclass NB
    Felisja - Bosmer NB - DC - AvA rank43 - pureclass NB
    Sarah Cénia - Bosmer DK - DC - AvA rank23
    Glàdys - redguard templar - DC - AvA rank40 - pureclass Templar
    Xaljaa - breton NB - now EP - AvA rank40
    Coquelìcot - breton NB - EP - AvA rank26
    + 10 other characters
    * in game: since April 2014
    * forum: since December 2014
  • probabkyravi
    probabkyravi
    ✭✭✭
    AD said to me complaining about spies in early 2015, "it's war, what do you expect", i had to agree.

    Faction lock just reduces the troll spies and thats good.
  • killahsin
    killahsin
    ✭✭✭
    RedTalon wrote: »
    Yeah it didn't solve the "problem, who would have guessed

    the 'problem' was groups switching chars and trading maps for ap, + 15 char reward farming. Spies, politics, all of that sort are always going to be issues in territory control pvp games.
    Edited by killahsin on June 3, 2019 10:41AM
  • Isojukka
    Isojukka
    ✭✭✭
    Xarcus wrote: »
    • Without faction lock :
      "X" is a spy.
      He 's EP and wants to spy DC.
      He has a DC char, logs in and joins a LFG group in cyrodiil.
      Now he knows everything and follows the group, telling everyting in vocal/text chat to their EP guildmates the other side
    • With Faction lock :
      "X" is AD and wants to spy EP.
      He has a friend in AD named "Y". "Y" doesnt care about war, he only wants to get AP and fights, and can't no longer play with his friend "X"...
      "Y" will say everything to his friend "X" in vocal/text chat.

    So, guys, please stop with "spies".

    Simple way to fix it rly. Just like other games have disabled between teams chat, same could be done in eso Cyro PvP.

    So you will be able to talk only to ppl that are in the same zone as you (Cyrodiil) and are the same faction as yours.
    If some one who is in other zone than cyro will try to whisper / message you, he/she will be also blocked.

    Discord, TeamSpeak etc.
    Eso since Xbox launch and switched over to pc 1/2019.
  • Indoril_Nerevar
    Indoril_Nerevar
    ✭✭✭
    One large simple thing overlooked here is the main issue that WE AS PLAYERS ARE GIVEN THESE OPTIONS BY DESIGN.

    BETHESDA/Zos literally made it so this can be done at ease.


    So Uhhh

    Good luck controlling that. This is just as equal as the following issues that I have seen - This Cyrodiil pvp community is so small. It's a lost cause and the people who play it like controlling the battlefield from all pacts. It's hopeless if you don't all make changes but its doubtful given the circumstances:

    Everyday I see players join and never come back. They get fed up, realizing they cant join a group or even a pvp guild no matter how hard they try or nicely they ask.

    These pvper's like to be around their own people. They dont want their scores ruined or taken from them or their spotlight removed because they take it that extra mile as if its no longer a game.

    No. These are real life achievements, and goals for them. So, the following states the facts, despite any disfavor of it from the players Im talking about; these are true and will only be denied by those who do not want this to be "exposed" and those who like to bug, ofcourse.

    For the record, Im here to help and observe, or seek info. I dont reply or debate nonsense in the compliments nor do I read them. I know what is what, and this statement is for the sake of others knowing the truth and for the DEVS to know, as well. You're better off knowing this rather than running circles in Cyrodiil, frustrated and ranting in zone chat;


    "X" plays for AD. Joins large groups or small elitist groups
    always.
    Apart of Pvp Guilds.

    "Y" Plays for EP. Joins large groups or small elitist groups
    always.
    Apart of Pvp Guilds.

    "Z" Plays for DC. Joins large groups or smaĺl elitist groups
    always.
    Apart of Pvp Guilds.
    -
    The problem?
    "X," "Y" and "Z" are all the same people. And most players are like this in general. So yes, have fun facing your own team at times and knowing the people who make plays on the battlefield also play for the enemies, too.


    Another issue;

    When "Castle A" is currently owned by "This Guild Name" for AD, and then it gets taken over by "This Guild Name" for DC or EP.

    Related: Seeing your faction leaders and teammates, on other pacts or generally other players who play on your team on another pact but in the same guild as one that plays for your faction/pact.

    Another problem;

    Why is everybody a Dragonknight or Nightblade 90% of the time in Cyrodiil? Yes. That was rhetorical.

    But, since it was rhetorical - thus shows how common it is that these overpowered classes need more debuffs than what the next patch offers. Simple mafs (math)

    Lastly;

    Burning Effect.

    I am tired of players exploiting junk or cheating. Please, stop adding a Burning Effect to players that will last 47061 Days.
    It prevents health regeneration and lowers your healing recieved. It does not get removed on death. This is not a glitch, either.


    P.S
    Quit openly talking about how you are running bots while you do some PvP on this character or finish off some work at home.

    Sometimes, I wish I volunteered/worked for Bethesda or Zos. You guys need to start making

    PLAYER MODERATORS
  • Chaos2088
    Chaos2088
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    Spies exist in real life, why not in video game? It happens adapt.

    Before people squeal at me that I’m in favour or done it myself. Answer is no on that front.

    It’s part of pvp, deal.
    @Chaos2088 PC EU Server | AD-PvP
  • Beardimus
    Beardimus
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    jcm2606 wrote: »
    Faction locking isn't meant to prevent spying, as you've pointed out, there's nothing stopping someone from spying, especially if they have a second account.

    Faction locking is meant to prevent faction hopping (playing on the winning faction, and when that faction inevitably starts losing, jump over to the new winning faction), keep flipping (AP farming), scroll flipping/trolling, and emp feeding (if a faction wants a particular person to be emp, they all log onto an opposing faction and let themselves be farmed by that person to push their leaderboard ranking up).

    Spot on. But folks have been trying to devalue all that but the sarky comments focusing on spying (not this thread, but its been a common response)
    Xbox One | EU | EP
    Beardimus : VR16 Dunmer MagSorc [RIP MagDW 2015-2018]
    Emperor of Sotha Sil 02-2018 & Sheogorath 05-2019
    1st Emperor of Ravenwatch
    Alts - - for the Lolz
    Archimus : Bosmer Thief / Archer / Werewolf
    Orcimus : Fat drunk Orc battlefield 1st aider
    Scalimus - Argonian Sorc Healer / Pet master

    Fighting small scale with : The SAXON Guild
    Fighting with [PvP] : The Undaunted Wolves
    Trading Guilds : TradersOfNirn | FourSquareTraders

    Xbox One | NA | EP
    Bëardimus : L43 Dunmer Magsorc / BG
    Heals-With-Pets : VR16 Argonian Sorc PvP / BG Healer
    Nordimus : VR16 Stamsorc
    Beardimus le 13iem : L30 Dunmer Magsorc Icereach
  • kpittsniperb14_ESO
    kpittsniperb14_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭

    Xarcus wrote: »
    jcm2606 wrote: »

    Faction locking is meant to prevent faction hopping (playing on the winning faction, and when that faction inevitably starts losing, jump over to the new winning faction).

    this is the point of faction lock.

    Zer0_CooL wrote: »
    I dont see any reason for "spying" tactics in cyro are limited and prdictable. Just need to know how to read the map.

    Ye but for some people, cyrodiil is full of spies you know.
    Paranoïa, maybe because they're spies themselves and believe everyone is doing like them -_-


    The faction hopping to the winning side can be done just as easily with a second account so, in reality, faction locking prevents nothing.

    Edited by kpittsniperb14_ESO on June 3, 2019 1:52PM
    Magicka DK-Rowsdowerr
    Tertiary Meat GM
    "they're going to say, there's Daniel and he has 20 people with him, I want to kill him and there's
    40 more behind me."
    "I'm tired of the BS excuses, if you're going to do what you do at least admit what you're doing"
    YEEEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!
  • therift
    therift
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Xarcus wrote: »
    • Without faction lock :
      "X" is a spy.
      He 's EP and wants to spy DC.
      He has a DC char, logs in and joins a LFG group in cyrodiil.
      Now he knows everything and follows the group, telling everyting in vocal/text chat to their EP guildmates the other side
    • With Faction lock :
      "X" is AD and wants to spy EP.
      He has a friend in AD named "Y". "Y" doesnt care about war, he only wants to get AP and fights, and can't no longer play with his friend "X"...
      "Y" will say everything to his friend "X" in vocal/text chat.

    So, guys, please stop with "spies".

    This is what all the spies say.

    :smiley:
  • bulbousb16_ESO
    bulbousb16_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    The faction hopping to the winning side can be done just as easily with a second account so, in reality, faction locking prevents nothing.
    This is typical of the faction-flopper mentality - "Can't win, don't try". First of all, if you think buying the game again and creating a new account is "just as easy" as using an alternate character on your main account, then you are not well and should seek help.

    No one said that faction lock would ELIMINATE this kind of behaviour, but it absolutely will cut down on it. Few people are going to pay good money to create a second account just to mess with Alliance Wars. In fact, the very idea is just silly.

    Police services don't eliminate crime, does that mean we should disband them?
    Lethal zergling
  • Thogard
    Thogard
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    People that faction hop to play the winning faction tend to be new players / PvE players who are inconsequential.

    People that faction hop to play the losing faction tend to be vet PvPers / small scalers / ball groups that actually matter.
    PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo

    Stream: twitch.tv/THOGARDvsThePeasants
    YouTube: http://youtube.com/c/thogardpvp


  • Katahdin
    Katahdin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    A second account costs $10.
    It's hardly cost prohibitive to get one just to spy.
    Beta tester November 2013
  • josiahva
    josiahva
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Spies are a non-existent problem. Its game...if people want to waste their time "spying"...who cares? That person loses valuable playtime they could be fighting to do so...there are no "secrets" in a MMO when it comes to large groups...no one has to log into any other faction to spy...they can just stealth and follow a group around to the same effect.
  • SidraWillowsky
    SidraWillowsky
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭
    Pretty sure it's not the spies who are the problem, it's the players who faction-hop to whatever faction is winning to rake in the AP. Rarely do I see the "but spies!!!!!" argument...
  • bulbousb16_ESO
    bulbousb16_ESO
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Katahdin wrote: »
    A second account costs $10.
    It's hardly cost prohibitive to get one just to spy.
    Where can you get ESO for $10? In any case, even if that were true, very few people would waste their time and money just to screw with the Alliance War.
    Lethal zergling
  • Katahdin
    Katahdin
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Katahdin wrote: »
    A second account costs $10.
    It's hardly cost prohibitive to get one just to spy.
    Where can you get ESO for $10? In any case, even if that were true, very few people would waste their time and money just to screw with the Alliance War.

    ESO store Base game + Morrowind was $10 a couple of months ago. They may have removed when Elsweyr went live though. Can't seem to find it now.
    Edited by Katahdin on June 3, 2019 6:43PM
    Beta tester November 2013
  • SkoobySnaxx
    SkoobySnaxx
    ✭✭✭
    Lmfao
  • Lylith
    Lylith
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭
    Chaos2088 wrote: »
    Spies exist in real life, why not in video game? It happens adapt.

    Before people squeal at me that I’m in favour or done it myself. Answer is no on that front.

    It’s part of pvp, deal.

    in real life, spies are tortured and killed or turned, when caught.

  • Sylianwe
    Sylianwe
    ✭✭✭
    Spying is an expensive method of acquiring information.
    They walk around like everything is fine, but deep down, inside their boots, their socks are sliding off.
    Edited by Sylianwe on March 29, 2021 7:20AM
    The mind is a walled garden, even death can not touch the flowers blooming there 🌹
  • idk
    idk
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alex_Lex wrote: »
    2nd account lets ignore that "locks" easily.

    This and a lot of players have alt accounts since the base game has been cheap for a long time. Many players have even spent time playing their alt account so we are not talking about a bunch of accounts with lvl 10 toons and no CP.

    And what is most interesting is the use of alt accounts is not against the ToS. I have been saying this for awhile now and it seems OP has suspected some spies but seems to have the wrong idea of how they came about.
Sign In or Register to comment.