Is the Ebonheart Pact as bad in the other factions storyline as the Dominion is in the Pacts?

mann9753b16_ESO · June 2019

(SPOILERS for EP Main Story)

I only ever played the Pact story, and what I see of the dominion there makes them little better than Monsters...

They kill Argonian Eggs (literally slaughtering Children), they use Necromancy and a "Resident Evil" Like Plague in Morrowind, that kills people and turns them into Zombies, with the Goal of Infecting whole towns, they use Deidra and burn people alive to become Skinstealers...

Hell, one of the Dominion Soldiers even cooked and ate an Argonian Egg close to hatching so... yeah, the Dominion Soldiers literally eat Babies...

Im not talking about the normal crimes of War here, so killing Civilians doesnt count, as this is something bound to happen in War, but overall, what you hear from the Dominion in the Pacts storyline really makes my skin crawl...

Does the Pact come of as such a pure Evil in another Factions Story Line or is the Dominion just... Well...

essi2 · June 2019

They all have story quests like that in each others storylines, not sure the DC or EP ever eat babies though.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · June 2019

As far as i remember ep attack arent part of their main quest but are part of some sidequest and delve for both dc and ad

cheemers · June 2019

The EP main questline has the other factions being much more aggressive, from the siege of Davon's Watch to Deshaan and Shadowfen, than is demonstrated in the other faction main questlines. For DC and AD's quests the other factions mostly have some small reconnaissance teams hiding in side quests or such. I'm not sure why they made the EP quest line so different.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · June 2019

I have done all 3 of the factions zones, and the Aldmeri Dominion and Daggerfall Covenant do comes across as a lot more nasty than the Pact does. Even to the point of strangeness. The Pact is made by 3 races who hates eachother, yet you rarely see much conflict – Most of the time they get along swimmingly!
In the DC and AD storylines they rarely (Can't even think of one) do anything horrific. Just "normal" war things. While the Dominion has that whole thing in Shadowfen along with other horrors, and the DC's military seems to be filled with psychopaths.

mann9753b16_ESO · June 2019

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

I have done all 3 of the factions zones, and the Aldmeri Dominion and Daggerfall Covenant do comes across as a lot more nasty than the Pact does. Even to the point of strangeness. The Pact is made by 3 races who hates eachother, yet you rarely see much conflict – Most of the time they get along swimmingly!
In the DC and AD storylines they rarely (Can't even think of one) do anything horrific. Just "normal" war things. While the Dominion has that whole thing in Shadowfen along with other horrors, and the DC's military seems to be filled with psychopaths.

Looks like i picked the best Faction xD

Morgul667 · June 2019

I dont remember something DC did that could compare to baby eating

Yeah they all nuts but that seems over the edge

mann9753b16_ESO · June 2019

Morgul667 wrote: »

I dont remember something DC did that could compare to baby eating

Yeah they all nuts but that seems over the edge

The Dominon also plans Genocide on the Argonians, using a Relic to preventing them from ever hatching eggs again...

Theres a Mission where the Dominion has surrounded a birthing pool, killing everyone who tries to leave, and are waiting for something, and as it turns out, the plan was to wait and see if the Relict really kills the eggs when they hatch, and once this is confirmed to slaughter all remaining Argonians at the birthing pool...

Imperial_Voice · June 2019

EP is the only who makes the war really a main point of its questlines and I don't know why. In fact a lot of EP stories focus kn wars both past and present.

sionIV · June 2019

In order of the most heinous to the least heinous.

1. Aldmeri Dominion
2. Daggerfall Covenant
3. Ebonheart Pact

richo262 · June 2019

I'm EP, and I have not eaten babies in weeks!

FrancisCrawford · June 2019

Meridia wasn't kidding when she said different alliances' stories offered different points of view.

E.g., seeing Gabriele Benele portrayed as a villain was a jaw-dropper for me.

Ildun · June 2019

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Meridia wasn't kidding when she said different alliances' stories offered different points of view.

E.g., seeing Gabriele Benele portrayed as a villain was a jaw-dropper for me.

Are we talking the same Gabriele? I played all three alliance but don't remember she was branded as villain.

Ildun · June 2019

Those "evil Dominion soldier" you saw might be Veiled Heritance, extremist and Daedric worshiper.

TequilaFire · June 2019

Well AD does have those cute little Bosmer who will have you for dinner, literally.

coop500 · June 2019

richo262 wrote: »

I'm EP, and I have not eaten babies in weeks!

Too bad, offspring is delicious~

Savos_Saren · June 2019

The only good race in the war is the Dwemer… because they don't exist.

Aliyavana · June 2019

The Dominion did nothing wrong in shadowfen. Any Dunmer that disagrees is not a true Dunmer.

essi2 · June 2019

Ildun wrote: »

Those "evil Dominion soldier" you saw might be Veiled Heritance, extremist and Daedric worshiper.

They were still sent there by the Dominion, you don't get to just wave it away as 'Just some rogue extremists' :P

TequilaFire · June 2019

Savos_Saren wrote: »

The only good race in the war is the Dwemer… because they don't exist.

Tell that to the Falmer.

logarifmik · June 2019

From the writing quality point of view the Daggerfall Covenant story is the best, in my opinion.

Regarding the so-called "war crimes". It's a very questionable subject in such setting, which can be roughly described as "medieval ages with magic". There is no UN or any other type of international (-racial?) organization to regulate warfare. Damn, even during the present days in the real world it doesn't always prevent war crimes, but at least we have some legal ways to describe it like so. After WWII we know what a holocaust is, for example. In the world of TES it seems that the only criteria to distinguish the crime during the war is some vague ethical side and necessity of such actions.

To sum up, one can't think about events of the past and give them a proper judgment without taking into account historical context of that time. It's called historicism.

Ildun · June 2019

essi2 wrote: »

Ildun wrote: »

Those "evil Dominion soldier" you saw might be Veiled Heritance, extremist and Daedric worshiper.

They were still sent there by the Dominion, you don't get to just wave it away as 'Just some rogue extremists' :P

Not really, they are against Dominion. They are imposter who frame Dominion.

VaranisArano · June 2019

Ildun wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Meridia wasn't kidding when she said different alliances' stories offered different points of view.

E.g., seeing Gabriele Benele portrayed as a villain was a jaw-dropper for me.

Are we talking the same Gabriele? I played all three alliance but don't remember she was branded as villain.

Yep. In the Stonefalls delve of Hightide Hollow.

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Non-Standard_Techniques

IronWooshu · June 2019

As an AD Khajiit, the AD are pretty close to beingNazi, find a book called "the Crimes of the Daggerfall Convenent" or something along those lines and the only thing in them is being friends to lesser mer like Orcs.. that's their crime.

I wish Khajiit werent part of the AD, I made an AD and he became my main after my girlfriend was AD.. the faction storyline is probably the most coherrant and best followed along closely by DC who IMO is the most righteous faction that believes equality towards all races.

As an AD Khajiit I dont really believe in the fight to make Elves rule and sit on the ruby throne because that's their birthright and they are superior than all schtick but here we are, PVPing for AD because that became my main and I'm not achievement hunting all over again or becoming a Tamriel Hero.

Maybe someone else can shine a brighter light on AD but other than their faction storyline being pretty good, EP is the worst storyline and paints other factions in bad light.

When I did EP storyline on my AD I pretended the AD story parts were rogue elements the queen tasked me to end.

Aliyavana · June 2019

IronWooshu wrote: »

As an AD Khajiit, the AD are pretty close to ***'s, find a book called "the Crimes of the Daggerfall Convenent" or something along those lines and the only thing in them is being friends to lesser mer like Orcs.. that's their crime.

I wish Khajiit werent part of the AD, I made an AD and he became my main after my girlfriend was AD.. the faction storyline is probably the most coherrant and best followed along closely by DC who IMO is the most righteous faction that believes equality towards all races.

As an AD Khajiit I dont really believe in the fight to make Elves rule and sit on the ruby throne because that's their birthright and they are superior than all schtick but here we are, PVPing for AD because that became my main and I'm not achievement hunting all over again or becoming a Tamriel Hero.

Maybe someone else can shine a brighter light on AD but other than their faction storyline being pretty good, EP is the worst storyline and paints other factions in bad light.

When I did EP storyline on my AD I pretended the AD story parts were rogue elements the queen tasked me to end.

Be proud of your faction and their actions, shadowfen was just a step in the right direction

mann9753b16_ESO · June 2019

Aliyavana wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

As an AD Khajiit, the AD are pretty close to ***'s, find a book called "the Crimes of the Daggerfall Convenent" or something along those lines and the only thing in them is being friends to lesser mer like Orcs.. that's their crime.

I wish Khajiit werent part of the AD, I made an AD and he became my main after my girlfriend was AD.. the faction storyline is probably the most coherrant and best followed along closely by DC who IMO is the most righteous faction that believes equality towards all races.

As an AD Khajiit I dont really believe in the fight to make Elves rule and sit on the ruby throne because that's their birthright and they are superior than all schtick but here we are, PVPing for AD because that became my main and I'm not achievement hunting all over again or becoming a Tamriel Hero.

Maybe someone else can shine a brighter light on AD but other than their faction storyline being pretty good, EP is the worst storyline and paints other factions in bad light.

When I did EP storyline on my AD I pretended the AD story parts were rogue elements the queen tasked me to end.

Be proud of your faction and their actions, shadowfen was just a step in the right direction

You know, even when I know its meant as a joke, somehow whenever i hear people defend genocide i get a sick feeling...

Ildun · June 2019

IronWooshu wrote: »

As an AD Khajiit, the AD are pretty close to beingNazi, find a book called "the Crimes of the Daggerfall Convenent" or something along those lines and the only thing in them is being friends to lesser mer like Orcs.. that's their crime.

I wish Khajiit werent part of the AD, I made an AD and he became my main after my girlfriend was AD.. the faction storyline is probably the most coherrant and best followed along closely by DC who IMO is the most righteous faction that believes equality towards all races.

As an AD Khajiit I dont really believe in the fight to make Elves rule and sit on the ruby throne because that's their birthright and they are superior than all schtick but here we are, PVPing for AD because that became my main and I'm not achievement hunting all over again or becoming a Tamriel Hero.

Maybe someone else can shine a brighter light on AD but other than their faction storyline being pretty good, EP is the worst storyline and paints other factions in bad light.

When I did EP storyline on my AD I pretended the AD story parts were rogue elements the queen tasked me to end.

Most Altmer are ****, yes. But Queen Areynn want to change that, that's why I support her and her vision, not Atlmer people. You know she is not pretend to care for other race from alternate ending. I believe those "evil AD" are Veiled Heritance imposter, Imperial imposter or traditional Altmer who join AD but not truly support Queen Areynn.

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2019

War is a crime, but you are only a war criminal if you lose.

Koronach · June 2019

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

IronWooshu wrote: »

As an AD Khajiit, the AD are pretty close to ***'s, find a book called "the Crimes of the Daggerfall Convenent" or something along those lines and the only thing in them is being friends to lesser mer like Orcs.. that's their crime.

I wish Khajiit werent part of the AD, I made an AD and he became my main after my girlfriend was AD.. the faction storyline is probably the most coherrant and best followed along closely by DC who IMO is the most righteous faction that believes equality towards all races.

As an AD Khajiit I dont really believe in the fight to make Elves rule and sit on the ruby throne because that's their birthright and they are superior than all schtick but here we are, PVPing for AD because that became my main and I'm not achievement hunting all over again or becoming a Tamriel Hero.

Maybe someone else can shine a brighter light on AD but other than their faction storyline being pretty good, EP is the worst storyline and paints other factions in bad light.

When I did EP storyline on my AD I pretended the AD story parts were rogue elements the queen tasked me to end.

Be proud of your faction and their actions, shadowfen was just a step in the right direction

You know, even when I know its meant as a joke, somehow whenever i hear people defend genocide i get a sick feeling...

9/10 posts by that person are always troll posts, I mean they had to get lvl 10 on the forums somehow.

squinquargesimus · June 2019

Aliyavana wrote: »

The Dominion did nothing wrong in shadowfen. Any Dunmer that disagrees is not a true Dunmer.

Don't be silly, if the Altmer kill all the lizards, who are we going to keep as slaves--- Oh, wait, the cats, right. My bad, carry on.

In all seriousness though, it's kinda weird that the Shadowfen arc is about the Dominion being the Worst, rather than the intra alliance conflict between Dunmer and Argonians you'd expect. Seems like a missed opportunity even if I still don't care about lizards uplifted by shady trees.

Wing · June 2019

there was a fan theory that the AD / DC / EP actually attacking the other zones were led or highly infiltrated by the worm cult to keep the war going and keep the factions hating each other.

as within their own factions and stories all the AD / DC / EP seem okay and pretty balanced. their relatable for the most part and nice and trying to do what they consider the right thing.

then when your in the other factions they almost go comic book villain. most of the commanders are diabolical mustache twiddling villains that you have no empathy for whatsoever.

thus, the theory.