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With enchantments retaining only 50% of their potency on DW weapons nowadays, can I...
Nyladreas
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Use 2x Weapon Damage Enchantment at the same time on them and have them both active at the same time?
If not, what should I get instead?
If not, what should I get instead?
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
I'm using 2H/DW.0 -
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✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.0 -
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✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
I'm using 2H/DW.
Then you have a very limited set up for Enchantments and are better off running poisons. 2h has no good method of maintaining good Enchantment Uptimes since it lacks any ground based skills to continuous proc enchantments on CD and with the half potency of DW, even if you were to use Blade Cloak to proc Enchantments, you'd get less mileage from them than you would poisons DPS wise.
For PvE, Double DoT poisons are your best friend.
For PvP, I find a mix of Escapist Poisons Front Bar/Double DoT Backbar to be extremely effective.Edited by Silver_Strider on May 30, 2019 8:46PMArgonian forever0 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.
double dot poisons can only be used by one player in the group, they do not stack. i was talking enchants. if you are the only stam player in the group, then yes, back bar weapon damage, front bar double dot poisons.Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
I'm using 2H/DW.
if you are going be pve dps, then you pretty much have to use a bow, endless hail is like 20% of your dps and procs your berserk enchant pretty much off cooldown. but if you are not going to do that, then you are going to be SOL when it comes to even average back bar up time on any enchants. as far as i can see it, you are going to have to do one of 2 things, either use 2h as your front bar and then use deadly cloak as your back bar dot that can proc your enchants/poisons from there and lose out on damage on your front bar from not being able to use nirn main/sharp off hand or use dw front bar and then just deal with the lower up time on your infused berserk enchant on your 2h bar. neither one of these scenarios is really good.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on May 30, 2019 9:29PM0 -
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✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.
double dot poisons can only be used by one player in the group, they do not stack. i was talking enchants. if you are the only stam player in the group, then yes, back bar weapon damage, front bar double dot poisons.
That's way out of date.
Poisons stack. I'm looking at a log on esologs.com right now with 7 stam toons in Sunspire, and on everyone one of their parses Alchemical Poisons are doing ~2k DPS.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.
double dot poisons can only be used by one player in the group, they do not stack. i was talking enchants. if you are the only stam player in the group, then yes, back bar weapon damage, front bar double dot poisons.
That's way out of date.
Poisons stack. I'm looking at a log on esologs.com right now with 7 stam toons in Sunspire, and on everyone one of their parses Alchemical Poisons are doing ~2k DPS.
way out of date? here is a thread from march saying that they don't, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462384/double-dot-poison-group-stacking-fixed now i am inclined to believe you, as they could have changed it in elsweyr, that was released 10 days ago, but to say "way out of date" is needlessly hyperbolic and inflammatory.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on May 30, 2019 10:31PM1 -
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✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.
double dot poisons can only be used by one player in the group, they do not stack. i was talking enchants. if you are the only stam player in the group, then yes, back bar weapon damage, front bar double dot poisons.
That's way out of date.
Poisons stack. I'm looking at a log on esologs.com right now with 7 stam toons in Sunspire, and on everyone one of their parses Alchemical Poisons are doing ~2k DPS.
way out of date? here is a thread from march saying that they don't, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462384/double-dot-poison-group-stacking-fixed now i am inclined to believe you, as they could have changed it in elsweyr, that was released 10 days ago, but to say "way out of date" is needlessly hyperbolic and inflammatory.
That thread doesn't have any actual evidence, it's just hearsay.
I see discussion back in February/March in the TRE stam-dd-discussion channel where people tested and confirmed that alchemical poisons were stacking. I've got HoF parses from several months ago where we were testing Alchemical Poisons and I see them doing ~2k combined DPS.
The bug with poisons stacking was fixed in Wrathstone.
The reason no one was really using them during Wrathstone was because of a separate bug, where the level of your backbar enchant was getting bugged out if you had poisons equipped, so if e.g. you were running a backbar Berserker glyph, if you equipped poisons, you would not get as much weapon damage as you were supposed to when it procced.0 -
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✭✭✭✭LiquidPony wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »LiquidPony wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »No. Meta is back bar berzerk enchantment on an infused bow and front bar main hand poison enchant off hand absorb Stam or disease enchantment.
Double dots no longer meta? I’d be surprised.
double dot poisons can only be used by one player in the group, they do not stack. i was talking enchants. if you are the only stam player in the group, then yes, back bar weapon damage, front bar double dot poisons.
That's way out of date.
Poisons stack. I'm looking at a log on esologs.com right now with 7 stam toons in Sunspire, and on everyone one of their parses Alchemical Poisons are doing ~2k DPS.
way out of date? here is a thread from march saying that they don't, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462384/double-dot-poison-group-stacking-fixed now i am inclined to believe you, as they could have changed it in elsweyr, that was released 10 days ago, but to say "way out of date" is needlessly hyperbolic and inflammatory.
That thread doesn't have any actual evidence, it's just hearsay.
I see discussion back in February/March in the TRE stam-dd-discussion channel where people tested and confirmed that alchemical poisons were stacking. I've got HoF parses from several months ago where we were testing Alchemical Poisons and I see them doing ~2k combined DPS.
The bug with poisons stacking was fixed in Wrathstone.
The reason no one was really using them during Wrathstone was because of a separate bug, where the level of your backbar enchant was getting bugged out if you had poisons equipped, so if e.g. you were running a backbar Berserker glyph, if you equipped poisons, you would not get as much weapon damage as you were supposed to when it procced.
oh wow, even if @John_Falstaff is making stuff up, Wrathstone was only 3 months ago. again, NOT "way out of date" territory.0