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Let Us Play On ALL Our Characters For The Faction You are Faction Locked to
Aliyavana
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No this isn't a thread asking for the removal of faction locks, before someone misinterprets this thread.
I honestly don't care about faction loyalty, and those whom I fight are all are just either a good fight or just a source of Alliance Points for me. As a result of the faction loyalty locks, I am locked out of playing on some of my characters which has effected both my play time and the time I have invested in my characters. Since we are being locked to a faction in a campaign, why not let all of our characters fight for the faction we are locked into? I don't care about my character being created as an Aldmeri Dominion character, and the gameplay side of things doesn't either as cadwell's silver and gold exist (for those of you who will "mah immersions RP" as an excuse.)
So let my native AD character, who is locked out due to accidently going into Cyrodil with a EP character, fight for that insignificant Ebonheart Pact leader, the Skald King, if that will let me go back to enjoying PVP. Call it mercenary RP as I don't care about faction loyalty. I don't even have a no Cp non faction locked campaign to go to.
Before I get a "But its an alliance war! you should be playing for the faction!", remember, ESO's biggest motto is "play as you want".
Edited by Aliyavana on June 1, 2019 7:44AM I honestly don't care about faction loyalty, and those whom I fight are all are just either a good fight or just a source of Alliance Points for me. As a result of the faction loyalty locks, I am locked out of playing on some of my characters which has effected both my play time and the time I have invested in my characters. Since we are being locked to a faction in a campaign, why not let all of our characters fight for the faction we are locked into? I don't care about my character being created as an Aldmeri Dominion character, and the gameplay side of things doesn't either as cadwell's silver and gold exist (for those of you who will "mah immersions RP" as an excuse.)
So let my native AD character, who is locked out due to accidently going into Cyrodil with a EP character, fight for that insignificant Ebonheart Pact leader, the Skald King, if that will let me go back to enjoying PVP. Call it mercenary RP as I don't care about faction loyalty. I don't even have a no Cp non faction locked campaign to go to.
Before I get a "But its an alliance war! you should be playing for the faction!", remember, ESO's biggest motto is "play as you want".
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shaielzafine✭✭✭✭✭They sell any race, any alliance tokens so I don't think they'll change it so you can just go to any alliance for free.10 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.Edited by Aliyavana on May 31, 2019 12:17AM15 -
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✭✭✭Great idea, but please stop with the "locked out of playing certain characters" nonsense. Zos was very generous to still allow an unlocked campaign as wells as bg's, IC, and there's still pve so none of your characters are locked and you can still play with your friends across various forms of content. Great idea though.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm not completely against it, but it seems kind of pointless. What those who dislike Faction Lock say they want is to be able to team up with their friends, regardless of faction. That's quite a bit different from being able to play any character, regardless of that character's faction, for the same faction in a campaign.
For the record, I like Faction Lock but understand why so many wouldn't. This suggestion isn't really a very good compromise, though, because it doesn't really satisfy any of the goals of removing Faction Lock."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel you on that one, and I hope they swap the 7-day to no-CP.
But no, fighting with all your characters for the same faction regardless of what faction they originally were would be silly. How would you rank up in alliance ranks for an AD character if you are fighting under the EP banner?The Moot Councillor1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel you on that one, and I hope they swap the 7-day to no-CP.
But no, fighting with all your characters for the same faction regardless of what faction they originally were would be silly. How would you rank up in alliance ranks for an AD character if you are fighting under the EP banner?
The same way I rank up as an ad player by fighting for the pit daemons, storm lords, or fire drakes in bgs without ever stepping into cyrodil10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel you on that one, and I hope they swap the 7-day to no-CP.
But no, fighting with all your characters for the same faction regardless of what faction they originally were would be silly. How would you rank up in alliance ranks for an AD character if you are fighting under the EP banner?
The same way I rank up as an ad player by fighting for the pit daemons, storm lords, or fire drakes in bgs without ever stepping into cyrodil
That is a different situation. That's not part of the Alliance War.The Moot Councillor1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I feel you on that one, and I hope they swap the 7-day to no-CP.
But no, fighting with all your characters for the same faction regardless of what faction they originally were would be silly. How would you rank up in alliance ranks for an AD character if you are fighting under the EP banner?
The same way I rank up as an ad player by fighting for the pit daemons, storm lords, or fire drakes in bgs without ever stepping into cyrodil
That is a different situation. That's not part of the Alliance War.
the logic is that I can fight for a battleground team and rank up in the alliance war in a character that has never step foot in cyrodil, so if you can overlook one thing then you can overlook the other thing.11 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
Yes...you are locked into only fighting for your chosen faction for the duration of the campaign. That's how it works. I'm confused on what the issue is.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
Yes...you are locked into only fighting for your chosen faction for the duration of the campaign. That's how it works. I'm confused on what the issue is.
Ok, let me explain.
I go on an ep toon and now am locked.
I cant go on a ad or dc toon since I went on my ep toon.
Since I am locked out on playing on half my characters since they are on ad, I would like to fight for ep on my ad toon since im locked into EP.Edited by Aliyavana on May 31, 2019 12:36AM8 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
Yes...you are locked into only fighting for your chosen faction for the duration of the campaign. That's how it works. I'm confused on what the issue is.
Ok, let me explain.
I go on an ep toon and now am locked.
I cant go on a ad or dc toon since I went on my ep toon.
Since I am locked out on playing on half my characters since they are on ad, I would like to fight for ep on my ad toon since im locked into EP.
That defeats the whole point of having a faction lock.4 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
Yes...you are locked into only fighting for your chosen faction for the duration of the campaign. That's how it works. I'm confused on what the issue is.
Ok, let me explain.
I go on an ep toon and now am locked.
I cant go on a ad or dc toon since I went on my ep toon.
Since I am locked out on playing on half my characters since they are on ad, I would like to fight for ep on my ad toon since im locked into EP.
That defeats the whole point of having a faction lock.
In all honesty, it's a good compromise and because faction locks are only for the duration of a campaign, it doesn't interfere with their purpose at all.
Faction locks are first and foremost an attempt to stop ap boosting, which requires switching factions during a campaign.
2 hours spent on one toon vs x 2 hours spent on 15 toons doesn't affect AP gain when all 15 are the same faction.Edited by Siohwenoeht on May 31, 2019 1:13AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard7 -
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
Yes...you are locked into only fighting for your chosen faction for the duration of the campaign. That's how it works. I'm confused on what the issue is.
Ok, let me explain.
I go on an ep toon and now am locked.
I cant go on a ad or dc toon since I went on my ep toon.
Since I am locked out on playing on half my characters since they are on ad, I would like to fight for ep on my ad toon since im locked into EP.
That defeats the whole point of having a faction lock.
How can someone be so dense?"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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✭Seriously, it's like no one has any idea how much work this would take to implement.Lethal zergling1 -
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✭✭So, instead of the player the char is meant to change loyalty.
Basically as a mercenary, a sellsword.
If this gets implemented, such a char should be excluded from campaign rewards.1 -
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✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »Seriously, it's like no one has any idea how much work this would take to implement.
Actually, this idea wouldn't be as difficult. Basically, every character would have 2 separate faction id's, one that is permanent for pve content and one that is dependent on choice for pvp content. When on first log to the campaign menu each month, you could choose which faction for your account that month. Bg's could remain as the pve id, since the teams are unrelated to faction."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard1 -
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Sure, it's that simple. I'm sure it could be done in a single patch.Siohwenoeht wrote: »Actually, this idea wouldn't be as difficult. Basically, every character would have 2 separate faction id's, one that is permanent for pve content and one that is dependent on choice for pvp content. When on first log to the campaign menu each month, you could choose which faction for your account that month. Bg's could remain as the pve id, since the teams are unrelated to faction.
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✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
Sure, it's that simple. I'm sure it could be done in a single patch.Siohwenoeht wrote: »Actually, this idea wouldn't be as difficult. Basically, every character would have 2 separate faction id's, one that is permanent for pve content and one that is dependent on choice for pvp content. When on first log to the campaign menu each month, you could choose which faction for your account that month. Bg's could remain as the pve id, since the teams are unrelated to faction.
Well of course it would be in one patch... They wouldn't do it piecemeal."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
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I get you OP.
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The point I was trying to make is not that it would take multiple releases of code, but rather that it would take a major game revision, one one of those minor hotfix patches.Siohwenoeht wrote: »Well of course it would be in one patch... They wouldn't do it piecemeal.
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✭✭bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »
The point I was trying to make is not that it would take multiple releases of code, but rather that it would take a major game revision, one one of those minor hotfix patches.Siohwenoeht wrote: »Well of course it would be in one patch... They wouldn't do it piecemeal.
Well, we'll have to disagree on the coding difficulty, but on topic I'm actually surprised you're against this idea.
It accomplishes faction lock goals, while at least giving some leeway to play all of a person's toons.
It's quite the tidy compromise. Faction swapping DURING a campaign can't happen, those that want to play with friends/all their toons can accomplish this easier, and folks that want max campaign rewards can still accomplish that too. Solves the big three arguments.
And btw, I'm not unhappy about the faction locks.Edited by Siohwenoeht on May 31, 2019 2:34AM"It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard3 -
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Ha! You think they actually have friends? It's masked by friends but it's really about farming ap/trolling.MasterSpatula wrote: »What those who dislike Faction Lock say they want is to be able to team up with their friends
These guilds don't even last because of their massive sensitive egos. You think they have friends?
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✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »So you're not asking to remove the faction lock, you're asking for the ability to fight for a different faction.....what would be the difference?
You wont be able to swap factions for the duration of the campaign, and can contribute to the alliance you are locked into for the remaining campaign duration.
This is a reasonable compromise, although it still sucks for the people who want to swap to the loosing side for more fights.Edited by D0PAMINE on May 31, 2019 2:44AM1 -
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Well, the Devs have stated that a simple faction change token would require a lot of heavy lifting on their part. What we are talking about here is repeated, temporary changes to Cyrodiil factions, which would seem to be even more complicated. In addition, not a single person has given a bit of thought of how this would work. What would happen to quests? What would happen to gear?Siohwenoeht wrote: »Well, we'll have to disagree on the coding difficultybut on topic I'm actually surprised you're against this idea. It accomplishes faction lock goals, while at least giving some leeway to play all of a person's toons.
It does not accomplish faction lock goals. Faction locks are in part implemented to make factions mean something again. Characters are designed with factions up front. They are supposed to be loyal to those factions. Having them switch willy-nilly every month is anathema to the entire faction concept.
So, even if this would be easy to accomplish, it would be a bad idea. Combine that with the fact it would be a massive undertaking and you have yourself a non-starter of an idea.
Edited by bulbousb16_ESO on May 31, 2019 2:49AMLethal zergling1 -
abigfishy✭✭✭✭✭There is still one campaign that is not alliance locked therefore there is no problem.Level 50 Characters
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BRogueNZ✭✭✭✭✭shaielzafine wrote: »They sell any race, any alliance tokens so I don't think they'll change it so you can just go to any alliance for free.
For sure, any race is overpriced but they saw the opportunity0