Time for a generic magicka execute spell?

CaptainVenom · May 2019

Well, I know most class execute skills are magicka-based... but we have three weapon execute skills for stamina to compensate. Some classes like Necromancer and Warden don't have a specific execute skill, so what about a destruction staff one? Destructive Touch seems to be a good candidate. It could work the same way Poison Injection does (damage over time deals additional damage to low health enemies). What do you think?

Neloth · May 2019

I say don’t touch desto touch, it is the only good destro skill for PvP builds

However a fully support a magicka version of poison injection, and soul trap is a good candidate skill for this

Greystag · May 2019

Please, as a Magden in PvP, I really would love to have access to an execute.

Dojohoda · May 2019

No, that would lead to a nerf to Master Staff. Pick something else.

(Those without an execute and who really want something can try the jewelry Bloodthirsty trait.)

Davadin · May 2019

is it a good idea to have a ranged execute?

i mean, in PvP i'm already getting nuked by magSorc and bow snipes.....

Artim_X · May 2019

I nominate soul trap.

Wuuffyy · May 2019

No magic needs nerfs not an insane buff like this. I mean magwarden PvP is OP and necromancer parses ridiculously high in pve.

Darkstorne · May 2019

Davadin wrote: »

is it a good idea to have a ranged execute?

Depends how you feel about Templars and their Jesus Beams

Wuuffyy · May 2019

Darkstorne wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

is it a good idea to have a ranged execute?

Depends how you feel about Templars and their Jesus Beams

That is super Op with more than 100k dmg per second pve. It’s BS

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

That is super Op with more than 100k dmg per second pve. It’s BS

You can hit higher 2h executes on a stam necro that is missing undaunted, fighters Guild and some 2h and necromancer passives so yeah.

Wuuffyy · May 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

That is super Op with more than 100k dmg per second pve. It’s BS

You can hit higher 2h executes on a stam necro that is missing undaunted, fighters Guild and some 2h and necromancer passives so yeah.

No one runs 2h it’s several thousand below dw.
Your comment is void.
Also, fish can fly so y is actually true.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

No one runs 2h it’s several thousand below dw.
Your comment is void.
Also, fish can fly so y is actually true.

And no one runs anything magicka if they are being serious unless the Trial requires them to do so so your comment About beam being op is void aswell.

ZarkingFrued · May 2019

#MakeSoulTrapExecute

Wuuffyy · May 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

No one runs 2h it’s several thousand below dw.
Your comment is void.
Also, fish can fly so y is actually true.

And no one runs anything magicka if they are being serious unless the Trial requires them to do so so your comment About beam being op is void aswell.

They do tho. Only bc the meta changed are stam even considered endgame. Before it was all magblades, etc.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They do tho. Only bc the meta changed are stam even considered endgame. Before it was all magblades, etc.

Uhm no thats not even remotely true, in all the recent Patches Stamina outperformed magicka in Terms of single target dps, which is what really matters in a Trial, one might think that there could actually be a reason that hodor stacks Stamina dds, necro These days, pre elsweyr it was full stamblade stack, and not magicka dds, guess the best PvE Group in this game just doesnt know meta better than you?
Magblades only dominated the mag side of pve dps, stamblade dominated in Overall dps and stam dps. It was only all magblades (and a token sorc for minor Prophecy and conduit) in minitrials like asylum sanctorium and cloudrest since playing stam there isnt easy, alltho a full stam dps Group holds the world record score for asylum, mag meta striking again.

idk · May 2019

So, to add an execute skill for all of magicka to use what skills will we nerf to compensate or are we just trying to boost the power creep even more?

It is one or the other. What is OP asking for?

Avran_Sylt · May 2019

@idk

It aint powercreep if you creep only to the bar set by others.

@CaptainVenom

Probably time for one. Best bet would be to make it a Soul Trap morph like others have said, scale it against MagNB Execute.

It would have to no longer be a DoT (So MagNB can't stack it), and be single-target (For sake of simplicity).

IE:

SOUL COMBUSTION - Soul Trap Morph (Replaces Soul Spitting Trap)

"Prey upon the weakened will of your foe by dealing [x] Magic Damage to them, increasing by up to [Y]% while they are below [Z]% Health"

"Turns into a Single Target Ability, no longer applies Damage Over Time"

Thematic Addition (?)

"No longer fills a Soul Gem"

I think this would generally work.

Edge case consideration:
Oblivion's Foe - This should double the execute damage (PvE). Is that balanced? Depends on the Health Threshold (PvP). It might even make it a potential candidate for a Trials set.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Make impulse an execute.

2h have an execute skill, why not destruction.

Does +300% more dmg to enemy below 50% hp, does +350% more dmg to enemy below 20% hp.

idk · May 2019

Avran_Sylt wrote: »

@idk

It aint powercreep if you creep only to the bar set by others..

The bar set by others makes no sense. Regardless, an execute does more damage than the other skills, hence increasing our damage. By definition that is power creep.

worrallj · May 2019

Warden bear is an execute.

Mesoz · May 2019

Would love a generic magic based execute skill. And idk why people are mentioning power creep. I feel like it the only players against are probably those that mostly main stam chars lmfao.

SoLooney · May 2019

Davadin wrote: »

is it a good idea to have a ranged execute?

i mean, in PvP i'm already getting nuked by magSorc and bow snipes.....

It's called impale and radiant oppression

Avran_Sylt · May 2019

@idk

[snip]

Executes and the GCD already exist. Making another one is not powercreep from a general perspective.

What MIGHT be powercreep is a class that specializes in AoE cleave (MagDK) getting an execute and thusly increasing ST damage while keeping their AoE cleave roughly the same. This would have to be taken into consideration with a classless Magicka execute, specifically with the cap on the ST DPS gained (lower than average). Or we get the Sorc meta all over again (with DKs). Which I think is doable.

Generally though, an AoE cleave class will have to sacrifice something in order to slot the ST Execute (less AoE cleave), imo that will generally balance out the numbers, given that AoE cleave classes are on the lower end of the DPS spectrum.

[edited for baiting]

idk · May 2019

LOL. I like the swing and a miss statement. It is cute, but you really need to read what you are replying to because you said nothing that counters what I stated.

I already stated the clear fact that either the execute is worth using or it is trash. That would mean it is better than the other executes. That would increase damage per action and hence damage per second and that would add to power creep.

That is the definition of power creep. Plain and simple and no cute phrases that really say nothing.

So you would be correct only if this execute is trash and performs worse that what is already available. If that were the case it would be wasted effort.

If you have something worthwhile to read and reply to I will respond. Otherwise have a good day.

robpr · May 2019

Impulse could be a good candidate.
Elemental Ring - cast on distance
Pulsar - no more Mangle, more execute bonus or turns into dot.

Wuuffyy · May 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

They do tho. Only bc the meta changed are stam even considered endgame. Before it was all magblades, etc.

Uhm no thats not even remotely true, in all the recent Patches Stamina outperformed magicka in Terms of single target dps, which is what really matters in a Trial, one might think that there could actually be a reason that hodor stacks Stamina dds, necro These days, pre elsweyr it was full stamblade stack, and not magicka dds, guess the best PvE Group in this game just doesnt know meta better than you?
Magblades only dominated the mag side of pve dps, stamblade dominated in Overall dps and stam dps. It was only all magblades (and a token sorc for minor Prophecy and conduit) in minitrials like asylum sanctorium and cloudrest since playing stam there isnt easy, alltho a full stam dps Group holds the world record score for asylum, mag meta striking again.

You didn’t read my convo hah. Yea um check up end game trial guilds vs 4 man content and lmk the classes.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

You didn’t read my convo hah. Yea um check up end game trial guilds vs 4 man content and lmk the classes.

You dont read your own comments apparently. In different comments you Mention "PvE" "Endgame" and "Meta" which is exactly what I was Talking About. You also talk about mag being OP and needing a nerf and mag necro parsing high and templar execute being OP, the funny Thing is, nearly every stam class parses higher than mag necro and stam builds still parse higher than magplar despite their "OP" execute. Then you dismiss 2h because its not meta without even knowing the current or past PvE metas yourself, and for parsing "several thousands" below dual wield, which is something every mag class does at the Moment and has done in previous Patches.
This stam meta also gets applied to 4 man Content, wanna know which dd spec has unchained (blackrose no death Speedrun)? Spoiler: Its stamblade.
That however doesnt mean that People only Play Stamina it just means that Stamina (this time necro) is the strongest pve dps you can possibly Play if you are skilled enough to make it work.

SaintSubwayy · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Make impulse an execute.

2h have an execute skill, why not destruction.

Does +300% more dmg to enemy below 50% hp, does +350% more dmg to enemy below 20% hp.

Impulse will become the new spin2win, and will get changed or nerfed for PVP sake, so no tyvm

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

No, this will never happen, since magDK will immediately became crazy OP in PVP.

JinMori · May 2019

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

No magic needs nerfs not an insane buff like this. I mean magwarden PvP is OP and necromancer parses ridiculously high in pve.

necro parses as good as pretty much all other classes.

Stop it with these exaggerations.

And actually, in raids it will do less dps than other classes, because the design of some abilities, so it parses just as good only on dummy.

ApostateHobo · May 2019

Yeah soul trap seems like a good candidate if you don't want one in destruction staff. Though I do think impulse could be a good execute, maybe make it scale like impale.