Cant choose... Magblade or Magplar (BG / Cyrodiil)

BubbaGump · May 2019

After years playing stamina based characters only i jump into the magicka world.
Im the kind of player that enjoy killing, be only a support is not for me, but do some support while i get kills is ok.

Can you guys help me with this matter? Im a really noob at magicka classes.
Pros and Cons if possible from each class.

Ty guys!

Iskiab · May 2019

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

dominguero96 · May 2019

In case you haven't decided yet here's what I think of both classes:

- Magplar is a front guy that or kill the opponent or heal yourself until the enemy leaves, there's no escaping. It has good damage (great AoE) and the best panic heal. And even if you are full dps mode it's a very good support allowing people to purify dots.

- Magblade is another thing. Instead or going directly you will play with the enemy using the shadow and cloak. I find it the funniest class of the game but as someone mention, it is hard to master, compared to other classes. It used to be a risk for win type of gameplay, where if you fail you will die always but nowadays ZOS decided to make it easier for new players so its kind of a joke. You can still hit quite hard, be tanky and if you want, troll people. In case you want it, with this class you can create quite a hate in the other factions.

As for gear, shacklebreacker is always good in any class XD

BubbaGump · May 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

So... heavy armor on the magplar?

Iskiab · May 2019

BubbaGump wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

So... heavy armor on the magplar?

Some do, but in general it’s best to be tanky in 5 light armour then use heavy armour. Better passives and sustain.

As a dps for sure 5x light, magplar in 5 heavy is terrible. Blood spawn, 5x light I like. After that you have options. There are some magplars who do amazing in pvp as dps, Highpolicy is one I see a lot who does well. The ones who go S&B and are too tanky I don’t think do so well.

Just as effective at range as sorcs I’d say, probably the 2nd best pure ranged class after sorcs. I see a lot go mist form for mobility which I hate as a healer but see why they do it.

StarOfElyon · May 2019

PvE, magplars feel fine. In PvP, I feel very outmatched versus PetSorcs.

Iskiab · May 2019

StarOfElyon wrote: »

PvE, magplars feel fine. In PvP, I feel very outmatched versus PetSorcs.

Use reach with the pvp weapon that buffs the damage. They can still outburst you but you can outheal and sustain them, if you can survive most sorc’s burst combo you’ll win or they’ll run.

Most Sorcs are like NBs without stealth from range, they’re all about their burst and afterwards just stack their shields and hope you get bloodlust and let your guard down.

BubbaGump · May 2019

Can you guys gimmesome tips about any dmg/sustain set combos? I feel the lack of both sides while i'm being really brust on my sDk. Totally noob on mag classes...

BNOC · May 2019

I don't know about everyone else, but it's my experience that building Magplar for damage ends up feeling like a poor version of a sorc, especially if you built without sweeps and even if you do, you spend a lot of time at range weaving reflective light and so on - If your goal is to just fight people, deal good damage and have good surviability, roll a sorc and don't waste time with Templar until it's on par.

Its also of my experience that getting to a good standard on a sorc is much easier than magplar - Most magplars end up becoming back bar heal spammers and if you find yourself in that position then Templar just isn't for you and where as bad sorcs can simply become pet sorcs, templars can't really do much about it except become full time healbots imo.

Though, for Templar you have an abundance of options.
You can run Master Lightning, Armor master, Shadowrend & Necro for a clench spamming duel build.
You can run Overwhelming, Shadowrend and X(necro or something) other set for pure stink (This is the most carry path of all, for duelling and 1v1 at least)
Aggressive play style where you're not under pressure to need resistances often? Set's that provide raw stats, BTB, shackle etc.

There's Templar threads on here with very helpful players in them, one was created by Minno if you want to search for it.

Anyway, despite all of that, "Im the kind of player that enjoy killing, be only a support is not for me, but do some support while i get kills is ok." points towards a sorc for me, though that depends on your playstyle and experience I guess.

MassiveFumes · May 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

Magplar superior damage? what you smoking?

Datolite · May 2019

MassiveFumes wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

Magplar superior damage? what you smoking?

I also wonder where you're getting this. Either way, they are apples and oranges. You can get some great burst damage on magplar, maybe not as good as magblade, but the melee aoe damage is only second to stamwarden. Especially with the buffs to barrage, sweeps and crescent last patch. Melee magplar is a blast.

BubbaGump · May 2019

BNOC wrote: »

I don't know about everyone else, but it's my experience that building Magplar for damage ends up feeling like a poor version of a sorc, especially if you built without sweeps and even if you do, you spend a lot of time at range weaving reflective light and so on - If your goal is to just fight people, deal good damage and have good surviability, roll a sorc and don't waste time with Templar until it's on par.

Its also of my experience that getting to a good standard on a sorc is much easier than magplar - Most magplars end up becoming back bar heal spammers and if you find yourself in that position then Templar just isn't for you and where as bad sorcs can simply become pet sorcs, templars can't really do much about it except become full time healbots imo.

Though, for Templar you have an abundance of options.
You can run Master Lightning, Armor master, Shadowrend & Necro for a clench spamming duel build.
You can run Overwhelming, Shadowrend and X(necro or something) other set for pure stink (This is the most carry path of all, for duelling and 1v1 at least)
Aggressive play style where you're not under pressure to need resistances often? Set's that provide raw stats, BTB, shackle etc.

There's Templar threads on here with very helpful players in them, one was created by Minno if you want to search for it.

Anyway, despite all of that, "Im the kind of player that enjoy killing, be only a support is not for me, but do some support while i get kills is ok." points towards a sorc for me, though that depends on your playstyle and experience I guess.

Yu gaave me an insight, "Im the kind of player that enjoy killing, be only a support is not for me, but do some support while i get kills is ok." points towards a sorc for me. Its like i can do everithing that i want as a player with the Magsorc.

Ty for the time you all spent on helping me! Ty so much!

Iskiab · May 2019

MassiveFumes wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

Magplar superior damage? what you smoking?

What do you mean? A templar has far superior damage then a magblade at range. We’re talking about pvp here.

All the magblade heavy hitters in pve that gives them high dps, i.e. impale, blockade, twisting path, don’t work well in pvp. It’s a no contest in favour of Templar.

Take your average Magplar pvp build and you’re average magblade dps build and Templar is a lot higher. Magblades typically spec for burst and escape, typically people play magblades offensively and magplar defensively but that has nothing to do with the class. There’s a reason so many magblades spec caluurion.

MassiveFumes · May 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

MassiveFumes wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

Magplar superior damage? what you smoking?

What do you mean? A templar has far superior damage then a magblade at range. We’re talking about pvp here.

All the magblade heavy hitters in pve that gives them high dps, i.e. impale, blockade, twisting path, don’t work well in pvp. It’s a no contest in favour of Templar.

Yes i know we're talking pvp lol.. and far superior damage? Not even superior lol you may not have played against a good mblade cause they are rarest of classes.. Magblades pull off far more damage then a templar spamming jabs

Iskiab · May 2019

MassiveFumes wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

MassiveFumes wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

It’s up to you, they’re both good choices.

Magblade Pros:
- better escape tools by a lot with the shade and cloak
- better self utility in the tool kit but it’s very close

Magplar Pros:
- superior self healing
- superior damage, especially aoe damage

They play a lot differently because magplar’s main weakness is no escape, while magblade has the best escape tools. Magblades usually try to survive by escaping while Templars are forced to face tank.

Magplar superior damage? what you smoking?

What do you mean? A templar has far superior damage then a magblade at range. We’re talking about pvp here.

All the magblade heavy hitters in pve that gives them high dps, i.e. impale, blockade, twisting path, don’t work well in pvp. It’s a no contest in favour of Templar.

Yes i know we're talking pvp lol.. and far superior damage? Not even superior lol you may not have played against a good mblade cause they are rarest of classes.. Magblades pull off far more damage then a templar spamming jabs

I am a magblade. I also have a templar and have compared. Who said a templar even needs to use jabs? Like I said, Templar’s spec defensively.

MassiveFumes · May 2019

I am a magblade. I also have a templar and have compared. Who said a templar even needs to use jabs? Like I said, Templar’s spec defensively.[/quote]

May I ask what you run on your mblade? Your ideal dps mblade

Iskiab · May 2019

MassiveFumes wrote: »

I am a magblade. I also have a templar and have compared. Who said a templar even needs to use jabs? Like I said, Templar’s spec defensively.

May I ask what you run on your mblade? Your ideal dps mblade

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I’ve been healing in pvp for a while but also have a dps magblade. With the changes I’ve been leveling a Necro and haven’t had a chance to settle on a spec.

You can check out the magblade threads (there are a lot) for ranged specs, or just compare alcast’s builds. Typically magblades at range use cripple, swallow soul and merciless, that’s it, with some debate about lotus fan.

darkblue5 · May 2019

MassiveFumes wrote: »

I am a magblade. I also have a templar and have compared. Who said a templar even needs to use jabs? Like I said, Templar’s spec defensively.

May I ask what you run on your mblade? Your ideal dps mblade

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I think some of it is prior to Elswyer magblade had some problems with accessing its damage.

In order to get the high damage you have to survive long enough to get five stacks for an Assassin's Will. That Assassin's will would have such a delay that you grandkids would have already graduated college and failed to get a job in their field before it'd start slowly traveling to your opponent. Your opponent having heard and seen the giant telegraph would have blocked or dodge rolled out of the way easily even if you previously hit them with a Destro Reach or Mass Hysteria.

Reflects were not possible to play around if your opponent is anywhere near competent. Even if you took advantage of the bug that would stop wings from refreshing the number of reflect early there was no way to squeeze in enough damage before wings came back up unless your opponent used some no health bonus food and had only 17k health.

Meanwhile the self healing and mitigation meant that to get decent survivability you'd have to run something like full 3x protective and troll king or a five piece defensive set like Pariah, or Swift, or Alessian. Then because your main burst was so avoidable you'd truly need someone to eat a full combo that has so delayed that you couldn't punish someone who ate a bad cc. Then it was hard to build in enough sustain and damage because it was so hard to actually combo anyone decent.

One exception to a degree were Dark Cloak builds which just got nerfed and still weren't great. The other exception was running near full damage like Caluurion's gank builds and the Spinner's/Spell Strat Mage's Guild Empower gank builds. Crutching on Shadowy Disguise is a real great build plan because there are no counters to cloak, just none, and whenever you build to only survive with Shade and Cloak you're totally invincible. Shade also works every time even open field it works every time.

Finally with just cripple and shade the amount of outgoing pressure was a lot weaker than you'd think unless you built for full damage. The real issue was that magblade lacked the survivability to not be Shading and Cloaking and letting your opponent constantly reset the fight by hitting you with a light tap. Or you built tanky enough to hang and had no damage with enough sustain. Or you built to have enough sustain and damage so then you had no way to sustain enough magicka and stamina to fight.

Magplar wasn't perfect and isn't perfect but its hardly crazy to say that last patch magplar had more effective pressure, damage, and combos.

MassiveFumes · May 2019

darkblue5 wrote: »

MassiveFumes wrote: »

I am a magblade. I also have a templar and have compared. Who said a templar even needs to use jabs? Like I said, Templar’s spec defensively.

May I ask what you run on your mblade? Your ideal dps mblade

I think some of it is prior to Elswyer magblade had some problems with accessing its damage.

In order to get the high damage you have to survive long enough to get five stacks for an Assassin's Will. That Assassin's will would have such a delay that you grandkids would have already graduated college and failed to get a job in their field before it'd start slowly traveling to your opponent. Your opponent having heard and seen the giant telegraph would have blocked or dodge rolled out of the way easily even if you previously hit them with a Destro Reach or Mass Hysteria.

Reflects were not possible to play around if your opponent is anywhere near competent. Even if you took advantage of the bug that would stop wings from refreshing the number of reflect early there was no way to squeeze in enough damage before wings came back up unless your opponent used some no health bonus food and had only 17k health.

Meanwhile the self healing and mitigation meant that to get decent survivability you'd have to run something like full 3x protective and troll king or a five piece defensive set like Pariah, or Swift, or Alessian. Then because your main burst was so avoidable you'd truly need someone to eat a full combo that has so delayed that you couldn't punish someone who ate a bad cc. Then it was hard to build in enough sustain and damage because it was so hard to actually combo anyone decent.

One exception to a degree were Dark Cloak builds which just got nerfed and still weren't great. The other exception was running near full damage like Caluurion's gank builds and the Spinner's/Spell Strat Mage's Guild Empower gank builds. Crutching on Shadowy Disguise is a real great build plan because there are no counters to cloak, just none, and whenever you build to only survive with Shade and Cloak you're totally invincible. Shade also works every time even open field it works every time.

Finally with just cripple and shade the amount of outgoing pressure was a lot weaker than you'd think unless you built for full damage. The real issue was that magblade lacked the survivability to not be Shading and Cloaking and letting your opponent constantly reset the fight by hitting you with a light tap. Or you built tanky enough to hang and had no damage with enough sustain. Or you built to have enough sustain and damage so then you had no way to sustain enough magicka and stamina to fight.

Magplar wasn't perfect and isn't perfect but its hardly crazy to say that last patch magplar had more effective pressure, damage, and combos.[/quote]

starting to think you both haven't played against a good mblade or know how good they are lol 3x protective and a defensive monster set? If someone has to go to that extreme they don't know what theyre doing.

Iskiab · May 2019

Sure... no one’s played against a good magblade but you. You’re right, think what you want.

I’m getting sick of all these baiting posts where people are essentially asking you how to play. There is no winning internet arguments, engaging just makes both people look dumb.

darkblue5 · May 2019

starting to think you both haven't played against a good mblade or know how good they are lol 3x protective and a defensive monster set? If someone has to go to that extreme they don't know what theyre doing.

It is a mute point this patch since between RAT, a faster Assassin's Will, and Grim Focus mitigation magblades are in a vastly better place than last patch. Also it isn't like I never got any kills but it isn't like I did better than my stamblade or my magsorc or my magdk etc. I did mention the most effective set ups which hardly were the traditional magblade set ups.
If you asked the best magblades nightblades about the state of magblade last patch they'd admit it was rough and much more effort for the same results when compared to other specs. Stamblades ganked better and got away better. Sorcs did a much better ranged dps build with the ability to disengage fights. Magblade was maybe the best at counter-ganks using detect pots and was the best at solo bombing.
I guess they also were among the best at troll tanking, and decent in groups for more Eye of the Storms.

This patch I think is going to get Grim Focus's 15% mitigation nerfed because that is just a lot. It is night and day and certainly I think it is fairly reasonable to say magblade has more damage than magplar this patch especially when considering Major Evasion.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

You totally can be ridiculously strong in PVP as a magplar DPS, but it’s situational. I have the most DPS specced Magplar of anyone I know on XBox NA and he’s terrible in 1 on 1 DPS. Seriously, if you see me alone and you can’t kill me 1 on 1 you need to re-evaluate your build.

Yet, in a case where I have some blockers forming a pocket, no different than a QB in football, I can wipe 10, 15, 20+ people at once and so every time I PVP. The reason why is that I can put exactly as much DPS on 3 players as I can just 1, and almost as much on 20+ if I time it right with a time freeze, reflective light to boost me and the destro ultimate with Illambris.

So yes, it absolutely is true but it takes years of practice, no add ons so you can blend in and a combo of gear that most people wouldn’t dare PVP with.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

Oh ... and Radiant.

Noctus · May 2019

magplar is currently superior especially in bg if u wanna run a nightblade go for stamina unless u want to pve

erio · May 2019

magplar because it requires no skill. All you gotta do is block and spam heals

Insco851 · May 2019

You want to hold block and spam heals or be elusive and play what might be the hardest spec to learn?

The choice is yours.

(Magblade is incredibly fun once you get the hang of it.)

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