Necro abilities being a criminal act is unfair to those of us with ADD/ADHD

ecru · May 2019

I just earned a 2k bounty because I can't help but fidget with my keys/mouse when I'm standing around. I casted a pet who then decided to kill a NPC (despite the fact that I have the setting to attack NPCs turned off, which pets seem to ignore), which earned me a 1200 bounty, and then in an attempt to not die to the guard who agro'd me I used my mender to stay alive as I got away, earning me an extra 270g bounty every time I recasted the pet to heal.

I don't even really care about the gold. I have ten million gold, so 2k gold doesn't really matter. What does matter to me is being punished because of something that I can't help due to choosing to play a necro. Knowing this is going to earn me a bounty and a possible death every time won't stop me from fidgeting with my keys while I'm not busy. I honestly cannot help it. I know there are people out there like me too because I see them in game every day. That player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

At least give us an option to turn this off. No matter how hard I try to remind myself not to use those keys, I'm going to do it anyway because that's how I am. It's like telling me that even though I have an itch that I really need to scratch, I'm not allowed to, and if I do, I'm going to be punished for it. I'll do it anyway (and you probably would too) because it's an unconscious act or reaction that we can't really help.

susmitds · May 2019

I have ADHD as well but I don't see as much of a problem. The pets needs a target anyways.

Vietfox · May 2019

A "prevent stealing anything" choice would be nice too.

Fur_like_snow · May 2019

If I duel a necro in town will the guards attack him for using his skills? Asking for a friend..

WacArnold · May 2019

You should be a lawyer.

StormeReigns · May 2019

Meh. Rather have ADD/ADHD versus not being able to hear anything in the game what so ever. Background conversation? Nope.
Hell... i dont even get to hear Malcolm McDowell's sexy voice. Or giggle at Jim ***'s easily recognized voice any more.

Don't know what sounds abilities make. Or even if, when ever caught using criminal acts in the game how the guards or NPCs sound, or even the music.

But, still doesn't stop me from having fun and doing my own things to keep active. As well, if kids or wife show up asking me anything. I'm not doing anything since i have to sign to them. Both hands off the keyboard. Sometimes i have to die to a guard to talk to my family and friends. All MINOR in the grand scheme of things.

ecru · May 2019

susmitds wrote: »

I have ADHD as well but I don't see as much of a problem. The pets needs a target anyways.

The pets acquire a target as soon as an NPC agros you and starts attacking for casting them. If you cast a skeletal arcanist/archer it'll probably kill the 30k health NPC before you can run away or find something else to attack that won't give you a bounty.

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Xerikten · May 2019

use the arrow keys to move around in a city. nothing next to them is keyed to cast when you "twitch".

deadsheepb14_ESO · May 2019

I don't have ADHD/ADD so I'd rather not have the game (or Necro class) be designed around the assumption that I do. OTH, I'm all for options! But if you make that option available (non-criminal abilities), then every one is going to use it.

Starlock · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

Ihat player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

I... I'm sorry, but let's put things in context for a second. Let's assume that you do more with your life than stay holed in in your home and play video games. Presumably, you have found ways to deal with your need to fidget in ways that are socially acceptable and don't net you hostility or nasty looks when you are out in public. I'm pretty sure if you went jumping around and flailing your limbs about in the real world folks would give you leery glances at best and call the police at worst. Find a different outlet for your fidgets in the game just like you have to in the real world. Like it or not, you can't always be "who you are" in this world or in a game world. It'll do you a service in the long run to channel this better in game as well as out of game.

RogueShark · May 2019

An option for you could be making use of dressing room or alpha gear. Throw up a setup with non-criminal acts on your bar and swap with the click of a button when in town.
Or fidget with different buttons. I do a lot of jumping + weapon swapping when waiting around.

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

jircris11 · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

I just earned a 2k bounty because I can't help but fidget with my keys/mouse when I'm standing around. I casted a pet who then decided to kill a NPC (despite the fact that I have the setting to attack NPCs turned off, which pets seem to ignore), which earned me a 1200 bounty, and then in an attempt to not die to the guard who agro'd me I used my mender to stay alive as I got away, earning me an extra 270g bounty every time I recasted the pet to heal.

I don't even really care about the gold. I have ten million gold, so 2k gold doesn't really matter. What does matter to me is being punished because of something that I can't help due to choosing to play a necro. Knowing this is going to earn me a bounty and a possible death every time won't stop me from fidgeting with my keys while I'm not busy. I honestly cannot help it. I know there are people out there like me too because I see them in game every day. That player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

At least give us an option to turn this off. No matter how hard I try to remind myself not to use those keys, I'm going to do it anyway because that's how I am. It's like telling me that even though I have an itch that I really need to scratch, I'm not allowed to, and if I do, I'm going to be punished for it. I'll do it anyway (and you probably would too) because it's an unconscious act or reaction that we can't really help.

ADHD here, stop using that as a crutch life wont cater to us.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

I have ADHD and no the *** it isnt.

Danikat · May 2019

Maybe give yourself something else to do with your hands while you're standing in town? I keep a small slinky on the coffee table specifically because until I put it there my husband was forever opening and closing my Nintendo 3DS - clicking it all the way open and then closed again, which is liable to break it if you do it too often. I explained that to him, asked him repeatedly not to, but he kept on doing it - claimed he didn't even notice he was doing it. I put the slinky there and now he plays with that instead while watching TV and my DS is safe.

If you want something in-game specifically you could use the movement keys instead of skills, or get an addon which allows you to keybind emotes, mementos and things like that and set up a block of keys you can spam safely.

Salvas_Aren · May 2019

Use an addon to reconfig bar when not busy. Twiddle and fiddle responsibly.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2019

I don't want to be a jerk but let me just say this: Life is unfair.

The issue of dueling is a reasonable one though.

ecru · May 2019

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

I have ADHD and no the *** it isnt.

Your lived experience with ADHD isn't going to be the same as everyone else's, thank you for the anecdote though.

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I don't want to be a jerk but let me just say this: Life is unfair.

The issue of dueling is a reasonable one though.

Well, here's a suggestion to your issue with dueling--I don't want to be a jerk, but let me just say this: Life is unfair.

Pro tip: They're literally the same issue and what I'm suggesting would fix the dueling issue too.

DocFrost72 · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

I have ADHD and no the *** it isnt.

Your lived experience with ADHD isn't going to be the same as everyone else's, thank you for the anecdote though.

Doesn't that also apply to your story tho?

ecru · May 2019

DocFrost72 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

I have ADHD and no the *** it isnt.

Your lived experience with ADHD isn't going to be the same as everyone else's, thank you for the anecdote though.

Doesn't that also apply to your story tho?

No, other players I've talked to in game have the same problem.

xaraan · May 2019

no, this is BS

ecru · May 2019

thedude33 wrote: »

RogueShark wrote: »

An option for you could be making use of dressing room or alpha gear. Throw up a setup with non-criminal acts on your bar and swap with the click of a button when in town.
Or fidget with different buttons. I do a lot of jumping + weapon swapping when waiting around.

Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.

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[edited] This is an annoying issue with necro that's going to affect me (and some others I'm sure) probably every single day that I'm playing the class with these abilities slotted, and having to remember to use an addon to switch my bars every time I'm not in an instance isn't really a great solution.

Necro summons being a criminal act was obviously poorly thought out due to how it affects dueling and how you can't even use those abilities without getting a bounty/agroing guards and NPCs while questing too. It's an annoyance and a time waster. There's nothing interesting or unique about it when we have vampries, werewolves, and daedric pets flying around everywhere who the guards don't seem to care about, not to mention non-combat/crown store pets which would be lore breaking, or even mementos which summon, uh, gigantic undead dragons.

Aurie · May 2019

May I make a suggestion? If Necro is causing major problems, there are five other classes to play.

ArchMikem · May 2019

I dont want to agree with you cause ZOS doing this was only a good thing for lore immersion, and i hope they expand it to include werewolves, vampires, daedric magic etc. And when it comes to duels, how about this. Leave town. Duel outside. ZOS gave us an entire arena to the west of Wayrest just tor dueling that everyone ignores.

I dont know what else to say other than to just deal with it.

Thats not me being mean, thats just your only option. Like other people said, ZOS isnt going to cater to you for your personal struggles.

Kalgert · May 2019

jircris11 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

I just earned a 2k bounty because I can't help but fidget with my keys/mouse when I'm standing around. I casted a pet who then decided to kill a NPC (despite the fact that I have the setting to attack NPCs turned off, which pets seem to ignore), which earned me a 1200 bounty, and then in an attempt to not die to the guard who agro'd me I used my mender to stay alive as I got away, earning me an extra 270g bounty every time I recasted the pet to heal.

I don't even really care about the gold. I have ten million gold, so 2k gold doesn't really matter. What does matter to me is being punished because of something that I can't help due to choosing to play a necro. Knowing this is going to earn me a bounty and a possible death every time won't stop me from fidgeting with my keys while I'm not busy. I honestly cannot help it. I know there are people out there like me too because I see them in game every day. That player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

At least give us an option to turn this off. No matter how hard I try to remind myself not to use those keys, I'm going to do it anyway because that's how I am. It's like telling me that even though I have an itch that I really need to scratch, I'm not allowed to, and if I do, I'm going to be punished for it. I'll do it anyway (and you probably would too) because it's an unconscious act or reaction that we can't really help.

ADHD here, stop using that as a crutch life wont cater to us.

I love you. Someone who's saying it as it is. Yeah it sucks and all, but complaining and demanding change over it ain't gonna work out well.

Honestly, the thread really comes off as something that a deranged game Journalist would try to write up: Self insertion of a "Problem", talk about how bad it is, and how the game should be designed to cater to you and you alone most of the time.

You can muse about it, certainly. I often muse about certain things (FYI, this isn't the same as demanding something. A popular misconception that some people like to make out of spite).

ecru · May 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dont want to agree with you cause ZOS doing this was only a good thing for lore immersion, and i hope they expand it to include werewolves, vampires, daedric magic etc. And when it comes to duels, how about this. Leave town. Duel outside. ZOS gave us an entire arena to the west of Wayrest just tor dueling that everyone ignores.

I dont know what else to say other than to just deal with it. Thats not me being mean, thats just your only option. Like other people said, ZOS isnt going to cater to you for your personal struggles.

The game you're suggesting ESO should be is not a game that a lot of people want to play. It would make the game completely unplayable for anyone who was a vamp or ww as they wouldn't be able to interact with any npcs to get quests, dailies, use wayshrines without being agro'd by guards and NPCs as soon as they port, etc. You'd basically be ruining the game for a substantial portion of the playerbase. Why the hell would you want that?

Kalgert wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

I just earned a 2k bounty because I can't help but fidget with my keys/mouse when I'm standing around. I casted a pet who then decided to kill a NPC (despite the fact that I have the setting to attack NPCs turned off, which pets seem to ignore), which earned me a 1200 bounty, and then in an attempt to not die to the guard who agro'd me I used my mender to stay alive as I got away, earning me an extra 270g bounty every time I recasted the pet to heal.

I don't even really care about the gold. I have ten million gold, so 2k gold doesn't really matter. What does matter to me is being punished because of something that I can't help due to choosing to play a necro. Knowing this is going to earn me a bounty and a possible death every time won't stop me from fidgeting with my keys while I'm not busy. I honestly cannot help it. I know there are people out there like me too because I see them in game every day. That player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

At least give us an option to turn this off. No matter how hard I try to remind myself not to use those keys, I'm going to do it anyway because that's how I am. It's like telling me that even though I have an itch that I really need to scratch, I'm not allowed to, and if I do, I'm going to be punished for it. I'll do it anyway (and you probably would too) because it's an unconscious act or reaction that we can't really help.

ADHD here, stop using that as a crutch life wont cater to us.

Honestly, the thread really comes off as something that a deranged game Journalist would try to write up: Self insertion of a "Problem", talk about how bad it is, and how the game should be designed to cater to you and you alone most of the time.

yeah your post comes off as something too

DBZVelena · May 2019

I'm autistic and i too fidget a lot when idle.
However i have found that instead of keyboard messing, if i need buttons to push, the fidget cube works awesome.
It has a switch, a toggle, a ball bearing, a set of combination lock dials, a worry stone side, 5 push buttons that are kind of like pen clicking two of which are silent and a circle dial.
And this lets me fidget to hearts content without accidental skill usage.

And let's be realistic, would it be good if ZoS could code a bug free game? Hell yes. And yes i consider a minion attacking an npc when you're set to not attack innocents, a bug. Surely as a necromantic caster we have control over our summons.
Unlike the pets of a sorc who are daedric summons with their own mind.
But this is still first week of live, and no matter how great pts feedback is, live will always find the bugs faster and better because of our number of players.
So, if it's an easy fix for ZoS, you'll prob see it fixed soon. If it's a harder fix it might take longer. and if ZoS does not consider it a bug. then it prob won't ever get fixed.

But all that doesnt help you right now. that is why i propose you try a fidget cube. If it helps then you won't have to worry about bounties. just grab your cube whenever you're waiting/idle/thinking about random subject. And let ZoS figure out their bugs on their own time.

TheDarkShadow · May 2019

I would suggest buying a simulator to fiddle with.

Kalgert · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

Honestly, the thread really comes off as something that a deranged game Journalist would try to write up: Self insertion of a "Problem", talk about how bad it is, and how the game should be designed to cater to you and you alone most of the time.

yeah your post comes off as something too

I stand by what I said. Take a cursory glance at some articles written up by journalists, a lot of them try to act like victims by proxy over things, some of them trying to use disabilities as a crutch (Only to then be called out by people with disabilities). It just comes off as... I don't know the right word for it, but "Sad" comes to mind.

I've seen some suggestions as to what you can do as an alternative, and I've not seen you consider any of them (Or maybe you did, I haven't read that far), which makes it seem like you made this thread just to try and force a change upon the game while waving "Muh ADHD" as a crutch to garner support.

Davor · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

I just earned a 2k bounty because I can't help but fidget with my keys/mouse when I'm standing around. I casted a pet who then decided to kill a NPC (despite the fact that I have the setting to attack NPCs turned off, which pets seem to ignore), which earned me a 1200 bounty, and then in an attempt to not die to the guard who agro'd me I used my mender to stay alive as I got away, earning me an extra 270g bounty every time I recasted the pet to heal.

I don't even really care about the gold. I have ten million gold, so 2k gold doesn't really matter. What does matter to me is being punished because of something that I can't help due to choosing to play a necro. Knowing this is going to earn me a bounty and a possible death every time won't stop me from fidgeting with my keys while I'm not busy. I honestly cannot help it. I know there are people out there like me too because I see them in game every day. That player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

At least give us an option to turn this off. No matter how hard I try to remind myself not to use those keys, I'm going to do it anyway because that's how I am. It's like telling me that even though I have an itch that I really need to scratch, I'm not allowed to, and if I do, I'm going to be punished for it. I'll do it anyway (and you probably would too) because it's an unconscious act or reaction that we can't really help.

I am not trying to say you are wrong. I respect your opinion, BUT I have to strongly disagree here. You are using a disability as an excuse. That would be like me saying the game needs to change because I am left handed and can't use the keyboard and mouse properly. Or worse. An alcoholic who gets in an accident for drinking and driving. After all it's not their fault they have a disease. This just seems to entitlement to me.

What's next you are going to say? That because you have ADD/ADHD that you were "twitching" and the trigger was pulled and someone died? Come on, you know what can happen, it's UP TO YOU to PREVENT it from happening. Again, not trying to place blame but it does sound like you are using a disability to get special treatment. And before you think I am mean, my daughter has special needs, and has ADD/ADHD and NEVER uses that as an excuse for something happening.

Now I can understand where you are coming from. I don't have ADHD or ADD (maybe a small case, but nothing major like you claim to be) BUT I do keep hitting my weapon skills because I am clumsy. I am not saying you are clumsy, just me. What I did though is I put my spells where I hit the B key on my controller to exit out so I am not activating it. So what ever key or keys make sure they are not the "criminal" skills.

I hope this will help you. It helped me immensely.

Starlock · May 2019

ecru wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ihat player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

I... I'm sorry, but let's put things in context for a second. Let's assume that you do more with your life than stay holed in in your home and play video games. Presumably, you have found ways to deal with your need to fidget in ways that are socially acceptable and don't net you hostility or nasty looks when you are out in public. I'm pretty sure if you went jumping around and flailing your limbs about in the real world folks would give you leery glances at best and call the police at worst. Find a different outlet for your fidgets in the game just like you have to in the real world. Like it or not, you can't always be "who you are" in this world or in a game world. It'll do you a service in the long run to channel this better in game as well as out of game.

lol what even is this post, i'm pretty sure ESO is a video game and not real life.

If that's what you got out of my post, I'm afraid my point was lost on you. Let me put this more simply, then, without the metaphor.

All of us with disabilities can expect a certain degree of accommodation, but it is also our responsibility to learn to manage it on our own to a certain degree as well. It doesn't matter if we're talking about "real life" or a game world in this regard. We cannot always do what we want to do. Frankly, this applies regardless of disability as well. If something is beyond our power to change, it is up to us to learn to adapt to it. That doesn't mean we can't air our grievances, but we need to accept when something is not in our control and instead change ourselves. Such flexibility serves us well in the long run especially when we have to deal with the additional adversity created by having a disability.

If you want it put even more simply, life is not and never was fair and we all need to take responsibility for ourselves by adapting to that fact. In any case, may the fates treat you kindly.

ecru · May 2019

Starlock wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

ecru wrote: »

Ihat player who is jumping around and casting abilities here and there in town--they probably can't really help it. That's just what they do, that's how they are, and to be punished for it is frankly pretty terrible.

I... I'm sorry, but let's put things in context for a second. Let's assume that you do more with your life than stay holed in in your home and play video games. Presumably, you have found ways to deal with your need to fidget in ways that are socially acceptable and don't net you hostility or nasty looks when you are out in public. I'm pretty sure if you went jumping around and flailing your limbs about in the real world folks would give you leery glances at best and call the police at worst. Find a different outlet for your fidgets in the game just like you have to in the real world. Like it or not, you can't always be "who you are" in this world or in a game world. It'll do you a service in the long run to channel this better in game as well as out of game.

lol what even is this post, i'm pretty sure ESO is a video game and not real life.

If that's what you got out of my post, I'm afraid my point was lost on you. Let me put this more simply, then, without the metaphor.

All of us with disabilities can expect a certain degree of accommodation, but it is also our responsibility to learn to manage it on our own to a certain degree as well. It doesn't matter if we're talking about "real life" or a game world in this regard. We cannot always do what we want to do. Frankly, this applies regardless of disability as well. If something is beyond our power to change, it is up to us to learn to adapt to it. That doesn't mean we can't air our grievances, but we need to accept when something is not in our control and instead change ourselves. Such flexibility serves us well in the long run especially when we have to deal with the additional adversity created by having a disability.

If you want it put even more simply, life is not and never was fair and we all need to take responsibility for ourselves by adapting to that fact. In any case, may the fates treat you kindly.

Yeah, I manage my disabilities just fine. I'm visually impaired to the point where I can't even drive safely at certain times of the day and I have almost every vet trial achievement in the game. I don't ask ZOS to change parts of the game where I can't see well (which is most of the game) specifically for me. What I'm asking is something a lot of other people have been asking for since this "feature" was announced, but adding one more reason why some kind of toggle might be a good idea. That's it.