ESO needs to start doing better with expansions.

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

Look, I understand you all love this game, but compare other expansions in mmos to this one. I feel like this is a 15 dollar expansion.

I mean I have a super computer, and some parts of the zone just drops. a 5ghz i-9 overclock with a gtx 2080 ti should not be getting 35 fps in certain parts of the map.

The class design is questionable at best. I mean one summon skeleton really? At least let us summon a few of them with one cast.

Sure the story elements and zones look great, but eso competitors give both good quality and quantity.

I'm not saying this to bash eso. I'm saying this that I would like for you to do better. The price vs content point is lacking, the quality when it comes to necromancer is questionable, and bugs with the class is still around even after testers gave you free feedback. (btw ford pays me for feedback. Gaming companies are lucky on this part.)

I like ESO that is why I give this feedback.

Goregrinder · May 2019

lol Wut?

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

lol Wut?

I mean what I said was clear as day. Are you ok?

Goregrinder · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

lol Wut?

I mean what I said was clear as day. Are you ok?

Are you, man?

Casterial · May 2019

I mean if you have multiple cores your processor is probably not that great for gaming and is more for programming. But ESO doesn't utilize graphic cards as much. Its a process heavy game, but still doesn't utilize the fullest potential of a processor.

While in Cyrodiil my GPU is only at 40% use and my CPU is at 30%

If you look at WoW you can have it hit like 80% on both.

Also, the class is balanced, please don't ask to make it broken. Also, the content is probably $15 and the class is $15 maybe $20.

Like if you're trying to compare ESO to WoW which imo is the only MMO that releases okay expansions, just know MAJORITY of WoW players QUIT this expansion because of how awful it was.

And you're saying you're QA? ZOS has QA, and MMO is NOT easy to debug.
If you worked in the game industry you'd know.
Most Expensive to create games:
- MMO
- RTS
- RPG
- MOBA

Also, the PTR rarely ever provides feedback, and probably being pushed hard by their publisher they had to release it no matter what.

Its near the same order for difficulty of designing. MMOs are not cheap, nor easy and have long code bases. When I worked on a mobile game we had like several codes that were over 20,000 lines of code lol.

I do agree, ESO needs to work on allowing the game to utilize more of our PC.

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

Casterial wrote: »

I mean if you have multiple cores your processor is probably not that great for gaming and is more for programming. But ESO doesn't utilize graphic cards as much. Its a process heavy game, but still doesn't utilize the fullest potential of a processor.

While in Cyrodiil my GPU is only at 40% use and my CPU is at 30%

If you look at WoW you can have it hit like 80% on both.

Also, the class is balanced, please don't ask to make it broken. Also, the content is probably $15 and the class is $15 maybe $20.

Like if you're trying to compare ESO to WoW which imo is the only MMO that releases okay expansions, just know MAJORITY of WoW players QUIT this expansion because of how awful it was.

And you're saying you're QA? ZOS has QA, and MMO is NOT easy to debug.
If you worked in the game industry you'd know.
Most Expensive to create games:
- MMO
- RTS
- RPG
- MOBA

Also, the PTR rarely ever provides feedback, and probably being pushed hard by their publisher they had to release it no matter what.

Its near the same order for difficulty of designing. MMOs are not cheap, nor easy and have long code bases. When I worked on a mobile game we had like several codes that were over 20,000 lines of code lol.

I do agree, ESO needs to work on allowing the game to utilize more of our PC.

My computer is design for heavy lifting gaming. I built it for when cyberpunk comes out. Got the best of the best cpu, and video card.

Wow did have a huge update that lets us use more cores. I get around 120fps most of the time, besides going to bfa cities. It drops down to 70.

Also when I said class is not that great. I mean some of the skills don't work, and class design looks is kinda silly. We could have summon a bunch of skeletons mages or a platoon of melee ones. That would have been cooler.

The part about WOW, Final Fantasy reborn also releases a ton of good quality content as well. BFA problems comes with the lacking of end game content besides raiding. The story/zones/quest has all been good in BFA.

The rest I don't really know. I just know that it is annoying to have some of the necro skills not work.

Casterial · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I mean if you have multiple cores your processor is probably not that great for gaming and is more for programming. But ESO doesn't utilize graphic cards as much. Its a process heavy game, but still doesn't utilize the fullest potential of a processor.

While in Cyrodiil my GPU is only at 40% use and my CPU is at 30%

If you look at WoW you can have it hit like 80% on both.

Also, the class is balanced, please don't ask to make it broken. Also, the content is probably $15 and the class is $15 maybe $20.

Like if you're trying to compare ESO to WoW which imo is the only MMO that releases okay expansions, just know MAJORITY of WoW players QUIT this expansion because of how awful it was.

And you're saying you're QA? ZOS has QA, and MMO is NOT easy to debug.
If you worked in the game industry you'd know.
Most Expensive to create games:
- MMO
- RTS
- RPG
- MOBA

Also, the PTR rarely ever provides feedback, and probably being pushed hard by their publisher they had to release it no matter what.

Its near the same order for difficulty of designing. MMOs are not cheap, nor easy and have long code bases. When I worked on a mobile game we had like several codes that were over 20,000 lines of code lol.

I do agree, ESO needs to work on allowing the game to utilize more of our PC.

My computer is design for heavy lifting gaming. I built it for when cyberpunk comes out. Got the best of the best cpu, and video card.

Wow did have a huge update that lets us use more cores. I get around 120fps most of the time, besides going to bfa cities. It drops down to 70.

Also when I said class is not that great. I mean some of the skills don't work, and class design looks is kinda silly. We could have summon a bunch of skeletons mages or a platoon of melee ones. That would have been cooler.

The part about WOW, Final Fantasy reborn also releases a ton of good quality content as well. BFA problems comes with the lacking of end game content besides raiding. The story/zones/quest has all been good in BFA.

The rest I don't really know. I just know that it is annoying to have some of the necro skills not work.

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

Casterial · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

They do, they really do. I think they need to get more funding from the publisher I also think though a majority of the team is probably off to Bethesda for ES6

And same sub power too good!

Facefister · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

During the P2P days, there were more content. Just look at Orsinium.

jazsper77 · May 2019

Casterial wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I mean if you have multiple cores your processor is probably not that great for gaming and is more for programming. But ESO doesn't utilize graphic cards as much. Its a process heavy game, but still doesn't utilize the fullest potential of a processor.

While in Cyrodiil my GPU is only at 40% use and my CPU is at 30%

If you look at WoW you can have it hit like 80% on both.

Also, the class is balanced, please don't ask to make it broken. Also, the content is probably $15 and the class is $15 maybe $20.

Like if you're trying to compare ESO to WoW which imo is the only MMO that releases okay expansions, just know MAJORITY of WoW players QUIT this expansion because of how awful it was.

And you're saying you're QA? ZOS has QA, and MMO is NOT easy to debug.
If you worked in the game industry you'd know.
Most Expensive to create games:
- MMO
- RTS
- RPG
- MOBA

Also, the PTR rarely ever provides feedback, and probably being pushed hard by their publisher they had to release it no matter what.

Its near the same order for difficulty of designing. MMOs are not cheap, nor easy and have long code bases. When I worked on a mobile game we had like several codes that were over 20,000 lines of code lol.

I do agree, ESO needs to work on allowing the game to utilize more of our PC.

My computer is design for heavy lifting gaming. I built it for when cyberpunk comes out. Got the best of the best cpu, and video card.

Wow did have a huge update that lets us use more cores. I get around 120fps most of the time, besides going to bfa cities. It drops down to 70.

Also when I said class is not that great. I mean some of the skills don't work, and class design looks is kinda silly. We could have summon a bunch of skeletons mages or a platoon of melee ones. That would have been cooler.

The part about WOW, Final Fantasy reborn also releases a ton of good quality content as well. BFA problems comes with the lacking of end game content besides raiding. The story/zones/quest has all been good in BFA.

The rest I don't really know. I just know that it is annoying to have some of the necro skills not work.

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

l

Let’s be clear and not deceitful about free and sub. Well over 50% of the ESO player base subs to ESO+ . It makes plenty of money. I just hate when players defend ZOS no matter what.

Goregrinder · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

Us Vets had to be very patient back then. MMORPG's in general require patience. Elswyr isn't even officially launched yet, so expecting everything to be hunky-dorey right away is pretty unreasonable imo.

Ghettokid · May 2019

According to my research, Orc-related expansion is what people want.

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

Us Vets had to be very patient back then. MMORPG's in general require patience. Elswyr isn't even officially launched yet, so expecting everything to be hunky-dorey right away is pretty unreasonable imo.

Well can you blame us for being worried? I mean look at how long it takes for them to fix class bugs.

Casterial · May 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

I mean if you have multiple cores your processor is probably not that great for gaming and is more for programming. But ESO doesn't utilize graphic cards as much. Its a process heavy game, but still doesn't utilize the fullest potential of a processor.

While in Cyrodiil my GPU is only at 40% use and my CPU is at 30%

If you look at WoW you can have it hit like 80% on both.

Also, the class is balanced, please don't ask to make it broken. Also, the content is probably $15 and the class is $15 maybe $20.

Like if you're trying to compare ESO to WoW which imo is the only MMO that releases okay expansions, just know MAJORITY of WoW players QUIT this expansion because of how awful it was.

And you're saying you're QA? ZOS has QA, and MMO is NOT easy to debug.
If you worked in the game industry you'd know.
Most Expensive to create games:
- MMO
- RTS
- RPG
- MOBA

Also, the PTR rarely ever provides feedback, and probably being pushed hard by their publisher they had to release it no matter what.

Its near the same order for difficulty of designing. MMOs are not cheap, nor easy and have long code bases. When I worked on a mobile game we had like several codes that were over 20,000 lines of code lol.

I do agree, ESO needs to work on allowing the game to utilize more of our PC.

My computer is design for heavy lifting gaming. I built it for when cyberpunk comes out. Got the best of the best cpu, and video card.

Wow did have a huge update that lets us use more cores. I get around 120fps most of the time, besides going to bfa cities. It drops down to 70.

Also when I said class is not that great. I mean some of the skills don't work, and class design looks is kinda silly. We could have summon a bunch of skeletons mages or a platoon of melee ones. That would have been cooler.

The part about WOW, Final Fantasy reborn also releases a ton of good quality content as well. BFA problems comes with the lacking of end game content besides raiding. The story/zones/quest has all been good in BFA.

The rest I don't really know. I just know that it is annoying to have some of the necro skills not work.

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

l

Let’s be clear and not deceitful about free and sub. Well over 50% of the ESO player base subs to ESO+ . It makes plenty of money. I just hate when players defend ZOS no matter what.

No, I'd say 15-20% sub. Maybe less, 50% is a huge claim.

Goregrinder · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Those two games also don't qualify to be compared to ESO because they charge $15/month while ESO is buy to play meaning it ultimately makes less money yearly than the others.

And I hope they do fix necro, templar skills were broken for 2 years

That is a good point. I since I always pay the sub, I tend to forget that.

but ya, the templar thing is just crazy. They really need to do better with quality control.

Us Vets had to be very patient back then. MMORPG's in general require patience. Elswyr isn't even officially launched yet, so expecting everything to be hunky-dorey right away is pretty unreasonable imo.

Well can you blame us for being worried? I mean look at how long it takes for them to fix class bugs.

I don't know...I don't work for ZOS, so I have no inside information that would enable me to come to a logical conclusion.

Goregrinder · May 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Let’s be clear and not deceitful about free and sub. Well over 50% of the ESO player base subs to ESO+ . It makes plenty of money. I just hate when players defend ZOS no matter what.

How much do they make every year? And how does that compare to how much they spend?

StormeReigns · May 2019

Good thing opinions aren't facts, and facts are not opinions.

ZonasArch · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Look, I understand you all love this game, but compare other expansions in mmos to this one. I feel like this is a 15 dollar expansion.

I mean I have a super computer, and some parts of the zone just drops. a 5ghz i-9 overclock with a gtx 2080 ti should not be getting 35 fps in certain parts of the map.

The class design is questionable at best. I mean one summon skeleton really? At least let us summon a few of them with one cast.

Sure the story elements and zones look great, but eso competitors give both good quality and quantity.

I'm not saying this to bash eso. I'm saying this that I would like for you to do better. The price vs content point is lacking, the quality when it comes to necromancer is questionable, and bugs with the class is still around even after testers gave you free feedback. (btw ford pays me for feedback. Gaming companies are lucky on this part.)

I like ESO that is why I give this feedback.

If others MMO are doing it better, I wonder why the only relevant growing one is ESO, and we're getting wow refugees to such a degree, it's turned into a meme.

I also wonder why you're still here. Vote with your wallet. I voted with mine, didn't buy Elsweyr because it's too expensive for what you get, but to say other do it better? Meh... That's pushing.

And I get you, you're not satisfied with it, but honestly speaking, which games you know are putting out and keeping up scheduled updates 4x a year, with regular patches in between? Of course, they also cost money, but with ESO plus, you have everything (I dont sub either).

rager82b14_ESO · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

If others MMO are doing it better, I wonder why the only relevant growing one is ESO, and we're getting wow refugees to such a degree, it's turned into a meme.

I also wonder why you're still here. Vote with your wallet. I voted with mine, didn't buy Elsweyr because it's too expensive for what you get, but to say other do it better? Meh... That's pushing.

And I get you, you're not satisfied with it, but honestly speaking, which games you know are putting out and keeping up scheduled updates 4x a year, with regular patches in between? Of course, they also cost money, but with ESO plus, you have everything (I dont sub either).

I don't know that is true about how bad other mmos are doing, and I'm just comparing quality and quantity of content. Realm Reborn is doing very well, and 8.2 patch of wow has a ton of hype and promise to it, that people are excited for.

I'm happy ESO doing well, as I want it too, but like someone said. Some classes have been waiting years for bug fixes, and I find the price point for this expansion with what we get to be on the lower end of things. As someone pointed out, it is not a fact. It is just how I feel.

I just hope at release day, the necro bugs get fixed, and maybe even other classes who been begging for it.

idk · May 2019

With all due respect to OP, if that is how you feel then do not buy it. We will all make that decision for ourselves and really do not care what your opinion on the matter is. We are able to develop our own opinions on the matter.

In the end, that is what Zos will listen to, their revenue tells them what is working fine. Not this thread.

But thx for sharing.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

Necro is meh but everything else is fantastic in my opinion.

ZonasArch · May 2019

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

If others MMO are doing it better, I wonder why the only relevant growing one is ESO, and we're getting wow refugees to such a degree, it's turned into a meme.

I also wonder why you're still here. Vote with your wallet. I voted with mine, didn't buy Elsweyr because it's too expensive for what you get, but to say other do it better? Meh... That's pushing.

And I get you, you're not satisfied with it, but honestly speaking, which games you know are putting out and keeping up scheduled updates 4x a year, with regular patches in between? Of course, they also cost money, but with ESO plus, you have everything (I dont sub either).

I don't know that is true about how bad other mmos are doing, and I'm just comparing quality and quantity of content. Realm Reborn is doing very well, and 8.2 patch of wow has a ton of hype and promise to it, that people are excited for.

I'm happy ESO doing well, as I want it too, but like someone said. Some classes have been waiting years for bug fixes, and I find the price point for this expansion with what we get to be on the lower end of things. As someone pointed out, it is not a fact. It is just how I feel.

I just hope at release day, the necro bugs get fixed, and maybe even other classes who been begging for it.

Ok, fair.

One last comment about WoW, though... BfA was full of hype and stuff, came out, loads of people went back to it just to find it poo, and came to ESO, where the sun shines a bit brighter, even if in between the clouds. I wouldn't trust that game to live much longer, considering that the vanilla game is also coming out (basically another game).

As for others, I can't tell for all, but my personal feeling is that they all end up either dead and poor or p2w and surviving by praying on our wallets.

Here's hoping ESO stays as it is, healthy and fair.

Runkorko · May 2019

Ghettokid wrote: »

According to my research, Orc-related expansion is what people want.

Wrothgar?

Iccotak · May 2019

So is your problem Necromancers because that is the only thing you really talked about?
Perhaps there is more you could divulge?

Davor · May 2019

jazsper77 wrote: »

I just hate when players defend ZOS no matter what.

They just need to justify why they can play the game.

There is nothing wrong in liking a "bad" game just like there is nothing wrong in liking a "bad" movie. My family loves Love Guru. My family loves the first 3 Transformer movies. It seems lots of people hate them. I don't say they are wrong. I don't go on to justify why we love them. I let people hate, and enjoy what we enjoy. No need to change other people's opinions.

Funny when it comes to video games, many people need to justify something so they can enjoy it.

I like ESO. I almost love ESO now. I can see that bad with the good. I don't need to make excuses for loving or enjoying ESO.

Just enjoy what you love. No need to justify it. Many things are wrong with ESO. So just go ahead and enjoy it instead of trying to justify why you play it.

ArchMikem · May 2019

Game performance has nothing to do with individual content expansions. The Game is running off an aging Engine and your $2,000 hardware isn't going to make unoptimized software work flawlessly.

Ixilith · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Look, I understand you all love this game, but compare other expansions in mmos to this one. I feel like this is a 15 dollar expansion.

I mean I have a super computer, and some parts of the zone just drops. a 5ghz i-9 overclock with a gtx 2080 ti should not be getting 35 fps in certain parts of the map.

The class design is questionable at best. I mean one summon skeleton really? At least let us summon a few of them with one cast.

Sure the story elements and zones look great, but eso competitors give both good quality and quantity.

I'm not saying this to bash eso. I'm saying this that I would like for you to do better. The price vs content point is lacking, the quality when it comes to necromancer is questionable, and bugs with the class is still around even after testers gave you free feedback. (btw ford pays me for feedback. Gaming companies are lucky on this part.)

I like ESO that is why I give this feedback.

If others MMO are doing it better, I wonder why the only relevant growing one is ESO, and we're getting wow refugees to such a degree, it's turned into a meme.

I also wonder why you're still here. Vote with your wallet. I voted with mine, didn't buy Elsweyr because it's too expensive for what you get, but to say other do it better? Meh... That's pushing.

And I get you, you're not satisfied with it, but honestly speaking, which games you know are putting out and keeping up scheduled updates 4x a year, with regular patches in between? Of course, they also cost money, but with ESO plus, you have everything (I dont sub either).

Tbh the reason behind eso growth is several, and it’s not because of WoWs current state, it’s because eso is the only sandbox mmo left on the market, WoW didn’t turn awful, it betrayed its core fan base because they saw a audience which brought in more money.

Also, in other games not buying expansions didn’t exist the reason our expansions aren’t huge is because if they were expansions would become enforced to play.

Think about it, if they increase the level cap and it’s tied to a expansion, you’d have to buy it

if they brought out new weapons, tied to expansions it’d enforce its purchase

I think Zenimax are just too scared to make a expansion seem required because the uproar against it would be huge from the playerbase who do play the game entirely f2p

ArchMikem wrote: »

Game performance has nothing to do with individual content expansions. The Game is running off an aging Engine and your $2,000 hardware isn't going to make unoptimized software work flawlessly.

I don’t know about game performance, as it seems this game runs at different performances on different pcs, apart from peak hour cryodill which effects everyone.

For me? I never move past 60ping in any pve land, and off-peak cryodill I don’t get many spikes at all

I don’t know why they don’t try to improve the servers though haha

O_LYKOS · May 2019

price vs content is fine imo. Frames drop on all games in certain areas. Population, rendering, server connection, it all effects the fps and latency etc.

The fact you have a i9 and 2080ti makes no difference to the games servers. Which imo are the issue. Not the game or it's content.

DirkRavenclaw · May 2019

This Chapter is the First with, apart from some Bugs here and there we all experience, the most stable Patch ever, ZOS got better. Touch Wood, we didnt have 1 Emergency Maintenance since release

wishlist14 · May 2019

I love this chapter, it surpassed my initial expectations. I'm having so much fun enjoying the beauty of the place and chasing Dragons that I haven't noticed any negatives.The main storyline so far is very engaging and clever. I want to savor it not rush it.

I'm very sorry that you are experiencing difficulties....I had one bad day and it was due entirely to my internet provider once that was fixed I didn't have anymore problems.

I like levelling so i am having fun on my necromancer. I made a stam one and a magicka and i hope to buy another slot and make a tank necromancer and just see what one i like best. So far i really am enjoying the necro skills.