I hate doing dungeons with super geared people...

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Yeah, I just say it out loud here: As a Casual player, doing a dungeon with someone who could easy solo the whole thing (and does) is boring as hell.

I mean, some people might enjoy just running behind the 800CP guy with minmax sets, but honestly, I would like a slower run way more than being basically not needed to finish the dungeon.

Cant we get some way that people like this could queue for themself?

Like... give us another option, for example: "Random Dungeon - Normal Run" and "Random Dungeon - Speed Run". The dungeons would be the same, but that way all the HIgh geared hardcore players can just join together and do dungeons in 10 minutes, maybe with one or two guys who like to get carried, and casuals can do the dungeon their own pace, with enough time to actually experience the mechanics, read the quests, listen to events... all that.

Pevey · May 2019

If you want to waste your own time, that’s fine. Find a guild with other people who feel the same way. But don’t queue with 3 other people and expect to waste their time.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Pevey wrote: »

If you want to waste your own time, that’s fine. Find a guild with other people who feel the same way. But don’t queue with 3 other people and expect to waste their time.

So you just queue for Speed run, whats the problem?

And just as an EDIT:

This is exactly why people reach level 50, and evel CP 160, and have no idea how to properly tank, heal or read boss mechanics. Because they never had to. The whole point of leveling is to learn the game, but when most of your dungeons runs is you following one or two CP500+ melting everything in their path, you learn nothing.

kathandira · May 2019

You don’t like running with them, and they don’t like running with you.

Both sides have the same option. Deal with it, or group with friends.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

kathandira wrote: »

You don’t like running with them, and they don’t like running with you.

Both sides have the same option. Deal with it, or group with friends.

So basically, both side can only win by seperate queues.

siddique · May 2019

If I'm in a dungeon I can solo as a random, I usually let the other members decide the pace instead of steamroll it.

Pevey · May 2019

Are you kidding, there are wait time problems with even one queue!?

Salvas_Aren · May 2019

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

If you want to waste your own time, that’s fine. Find a guild with other people who feel the same way. But don’t queue with 3 other people and expect to waste their time.

So you just queue for Speed run, whats the problem?

Players will bring the argument that 'slow run' will either be underpopulated or lack top geared players. Zeni will follow that argument and kill the idea off.

Many ppl who tell you about your bad idea would secretly welcome it.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

siddique wrote: »

If I'm in a dungeon I can solo as a random, I usually let the other members decide the pace instead of steamroll it.

That makes you an awesome person, but sadly also a minority...

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

You don’t like running with them, and they don’t like running with you.

Both sides have the same option. Deal with it, or group with friends.

So basically, both side can only win by seperate queues.

No, both sides can win by getting over it

srfrogg23 · May 2019

Pevey wrote: »

If you want to waste your own time, that’s fine. Find a guild with other people who feel the same way. But don’t queue with 3 other people and expect to waste their time.

There is a mile of difference between "running behind the speedrunner and never getting to attack anything" and "we spent an hour wiping on the first boss".

The OP is saying that the queued up to play the content, not watch someone else play. They're not saying they want to spend their entire evening in a single dungeon.

Calm down.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Pevey wrote: »

Are you kidding, there are wait time problems with even one queue!?

What problem? I never have to wait more than maybe a minute, max. 2...

oxygen_thief · May 2019

dont do it then

Donny_Vito · May 2019

It's ironic....I used to be the one who just steamrolled through these random dailies. Now that I took a couple months break and came back again, I've enjoyed going at a casual pace with other random people even though I could probably still speed run it. I think it's because as you start playing every day and doing the same dailies over-and-over you find yourself wanting to get through them as fast as you can.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

You don’t like running with them, and they don’t like running with you.

Both sides have the same option. Deal with it, or group with friends.

So basically, both side can only win by seperate queues.

No, both sides can win by getting over it

Not really, only the high gear speedrunner win that way, everyone else is basically told to suck it...

Salvas_Aren · May 2019

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Pevey wrote: »

If you want to waste your own time, that’s fine. Find a guild with other people who feel the same way. But don’t queue with 3 other people and expect to waste their time.

There is a mile of difference between "running behind the speedrunner and never getting to attack anything" and "we spent an hour wiping on the first boss".

The OP is saying that the queued up to play the content, not watch someone else play. They're not saying they want to spend their entire evening in a single dungeon.

While this is true, it will be an argument that can be perverted into '2 types of queue are not enough'. Which would sadly be a valid one, since from rushing to roleplay a lot of gears and styles need to be covered, in theory.

Royaji · May 2019

Dungeon finder is there to give you a group. And usually the majority in that group will define the pace. The moment you demand some kind of special run (either fast or slow) you should just make your own group before queuing.

OrphanHelgen · May 2019

I agree some. When city of ash 2 came out, it was one of the hardest content in the game. Just completing the dungeon I remember took me and my friends more than 6 hours. Now a player can be first time there and get no death speedrun. But when thats said, thats the old dungeons tho. I doubth people with good gear can carry a group of noobs through the newest dungeons, and they are very fun as well. Scalecaller peak, fang lair, Frostvault, depths of malatar etc.
Not all vet dung can be hard. Idk what dungeon you found boring because one guy was soloing it. Must be one of the dungeons from the base game. I dont see why that is a complaint.

I do agree with the more options on the group tool what you want, so you get players who want the same thing as you.
I group tooled earlier because I wanted achievements like hardmode etc in one of the newest dungeons. Then I get cp 300 first time there who have to learn everything. Im not interested in that for example, no offence.

Robo_Hobo · May 2019

I know what you mean. I'm probably in the latter tier nowadays, but I can see why you would want this. It's a very different experience playing with people of a similar skill level to you and working out strategies to overcome the dungeon, compared to..just trying to keep up as everything gets disintegrated by someone else. If all you ever experience in dungeons is when it's easy and the group goes through it like hot butter, that's a large part of a dungeon experience being missed out on, in my opinion.

I don't know if having that kind of separation in the dungeon queue would fix it though, it might just end up making the dungeon queue even more slow than it already is, and it's hard to tell how many players would want that.

Unfortunately for the time being I think the only solution is to play with friends of a similar skill level so you can get that experience. Not the best solution, but probably the only one for now unless there's a rework in how the dungeon finder works as a whole.

Nestor · May 2019

I wonder why a mechanism that brings random people together who have disparate agendas into a stressful situation always causes so much drama?

The above was sarcasm.

1. You want the best dungeon experience for you, group with 3 other like minded or tolerant people.
2. If you use Group Finder, your going to get what you get, deal with it, run with it, or leave it.

Those are really your only choices.

Facefister · May 2019

Ok, next time we queue a random vet we will kick anyone below CP810 and certain DPS treshold. We don't want to ruin the fun of that guy.

Donny_Vito · May 2019

Nestor wrote: »

I wonder why a mechanism that brings random people together who have disparate agendas into a stressful situation always causes so much drama?

The above was sarcasm.

1. You want the best dungeon experience for you, group with 3 other like minded or tolerant people.
2. If you use Group Finder, your going to get what you get, deal with it, run with it, or leave it.

Those are really your only choices.

Hold on. Complaining on the forums is not option #3?

VaranisArano · May 2019

Not going to happen. Its just impractical and not really needed.

A. Given the length of DD wait times, ZOS isn't going to split the queue for random/specific dungeons. The slower run queue will be even more lacking in tanks and healers because most experienced tanks and healers will take the option that gets them the (theoretically) faster DPS. And that's not even mentioning the recurring issues with groupfinder, so I'm not sure ZOS is going to mess with it at all.

B. You can't enforce run speed on anyone, short of kicking them. Which you can do now anyway, assuming the rest of your group also wants to take it slow.

C. You've already got options for running at your own speed. Group up from zone chat, group with guildies, or group up with friends. Yeah, that requires more work than queueing up to run dungeons with a bunch of random people, but hey, that's exactly what you have to do if you want something other than random.

Tsar_Gekkou · May 2019

Is there something physically stopping you from making a group that's tailored to your tastes?

dbgager · May 2019

I agree with the OP that I hate to just follow somebody around while they kill everything. Not fun at all. Unfortunetly some of the responses in this thread where of the "If you don't like it to bad. My way is the only way" variety.

mann9753b16_ESO · May 2019

Looking through the comments here, I am kinda sure most people who laugh at the idea have played long enough to have had the awesome dungeon experience new players wish for, and are now the speedrunners, because "I know the dungeon already, so why should anyone actually want to spend time here."

Pretty sure if more new players were active here, I would have way more positive responses...

SidraWillowsky · May 2019

siddique wrote: »

If I'm in a dungeon I can solo as a random, I usually let the other members decide the pace instead of steamroll it.

Yeah, same... all these people talking about "wasting someone's time"... you do realize that we're all playing a video game, right? IMO, priority goes to those who don't want to blast through. It's an extra what... five minutes? If you're SOooooOOOOooo strapped for time that you can't wait a few extra minutes, you need to be in a pre-made group.

DarcyMardin · May 2019

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Looking through the comments here, I am kinda sure most people who laugh at the idea have played long enough to have had the awesome dungeon experience new players wish for, and are now the speedrunners, because "I know the dungeon already, so why should anyone actually want to spend time here."

Pretty sure if more new players were active here, I would have way more positive responses...

I’m not new—in fact I’ve been here since beta, and I agree with you. Unfortunately, people have been asking for something like this for years (I.e., story mode for dungeons, so people can do the quest and get the skill point before getting kicked out of the dungeon). But ZOS, in their, uh, wisdom, have ignored our pleas.

Starlock · May 2019

mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »

Yeah, I just say it out loud here: As a Casual player, doing a dungeon with someone who could easy solo the whole thing (and does) is boring as hell.

Believe it or not, it could be much worse.

I recently tried out a different MMORPG that has similarly styled dungeon runs that bring in multiple players and use battle scaling systems to equalize folks. Except the battle scaling doesn't even remotely work. It led to what was probably the worst experience I'd ever had in a multiplayer game. I won't bore you with the details. Once I finished the pathetic excuses for quests in that game, I uninstalled and will never look back.

sionIV · May 2019

dbgager wrote: »

I agree with the OP that I hate to just follow somebody around while they kill everything. Not fun at all. Unfortunetly some of the responses in this thread where of the "If you don't like it to bad. My way is the only way" variety.

How is what you ask for any different?

You're saying that you don't want super geared people speed running the dungeon, hence you're also saying "My way is the only way".

I don't complain about slow people, if I don't want to run with slow people, I would create my own group. Feel free to do the same if you don't want people to rush.

rotaugen454 · May 2019

I’m geared so I can solo or speedrun, but if I pug, I just see what the rest of the group wants. I also ask at the start if anyone is running the story and if I’m leading, offer to stay until they finish quest. I’ve had fun sprinting through a vet dungeon with 3 others set up like me, and I’ve had fun teaching 3 new players the mechanics of a particular dungeon. Group Finder is like a box of chocolates.