FastBen wrote: »

Why you all don't get it? It's not about needing a tank in a norm dungeon or not. In the same group you were, there was another dd, who queued as such fot 15 minutes. Then you come as fake tank waiting on the queue for 30 seconds. Well that is the problem for me! It's rude and selfish! What would happen if we all queue as tanks or healers??

If we all queued as tanks and healers the queues would be faster for everyone. I have no problem with this.

a fake tank is a player without taunt, do you have taunt? yes? you're a tank! now stop this cancer.

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

a fake tank is a player without taunt, do you have taunt? yes? you're a tank! now stop this cancer.

Yes ok, let me put this healing staff on my stamblade and hit people with healing springs sometimes... am I now a healer?

Depends. Is your group staying alive?

Basic job of a tank: hold boss aggro with a taunt and stay alive

Basic job of a healer: heal group members, keep them alive (except for "can't heal stupid!"), and stay alive

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel

You qued for a role that you are not just to get shorter wait time. That's poor practice as it makes those who play tank as a main wait longer because ppl obsessed with big numbers cant wait in their own role.

I primarily play a healer in dungeon runs and have done most vet content. I've also just started tanking and have done a good bit of vet content in that roll. I've been told I'm quite good. In three years I've done a TON of dungeon and trials runs.

Tanks - even more so than healers - play an important roll in a group in that they allow other classes to do their jobs effectively.

That said, I have never had a good experience with a fake tank in any level dungeon. They don't hold aggro properly, run around like chickens with their heads cut off because they can't take boss heavy attacks, die frequently because they don't have the health or buffs to survive bosses - putting additional pressure on both healers and DPS who have to constantly rez them, decrease group DPS because they are running the bosses around and moving them out of AoE DPS, and...quite frankly, most have elitest, oh-too-cool-for-school attitudes, or think it's everyone's fault but their own that their groups wipe or content takes forever to run through when really it's all about their bad attempt at tanking.

Fake tanking/healing is one of the rudest, most inconsiderate things you can do in an MMO IMHO - especially during vet content. You can try to make up some noble reason why you do it, but in the end it amounts to you cutting the lunch line all kindergarten style, and then whining about it when someone you've dissed smashes your face with a lunch tray.

Pevey wrote: »

It’s nuts to require more than 30k hp for a normal dungeon. Even a toon fully specced as a tank probably won’t run that for a normal dungeon because it would be a misallocation if stats.

You have wasted a lot of your own time and others’ with this rule.

Our time is not wasted. We can 3 man any normal dungeon, even DLC ones without a tank. But that isn't the point. The point is principle, tanks tank. ZOS requires the spot to be occupied by a tank. So if you don't like me booting fake tanks, ask ZOS to change their system.

Those are the terms. They are not negotiable. No amount of pleading, no amount of insults, no amount of reasoning will get us to change our stance, and I encourage others who run with friends to do the same.

I understand that DPS have it hard in the queues. I get that. I agree its hard. I too want it changed. But I believe that fake tanking is not the answer. The answer is to have enough people to make a complaint that they do make this change.

As soon as ZOS makes a change to the system, then our position will be obsolete.

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

The problem rests in the nature of the roles.

Dungeons are expected to be done tank-heal-DD, 1-1-2.

The real population of tank-heal-DD seems to be rather 1-2-15 than 1-1-2.

To blame it on tanks or fake tanks is the wrong way.

It could be just me, but if fast queues were a priority I would make a tank or join a guild where I could make a group without group finder. I don't know what it says about the player base that there are so many more DDs than tanks, and they would rather fake their way into a group than try a different role for a change.

Agenericname wrote: »

Kolache wrote: »

Seems pointless to condone or condemn someone for doing this. People will do anything they can get away with--the queue needs to be designed smarter to prevent things that should be discouraged (whatever those things might be).

Anything except play a tank. I hear that they have really low queue times.

Making a tank is not the solution to anything. I will not do a normal random through group finder anymore on my tank toons. The dps is just too low. That is the real issue. By taking the tank role, I queue faster and alleviate the issue of two dps and a healer pulling 15k combined, and 10k of that is usually the healer if they are good.

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel

Don't try to justify this crap behavior. People like you annoy even more people into not using the group finder which causes queue times to skyrocket.

And, no. No one is impressed with your ability to solo the dungeon. DD's that blitz through the content ruin everyone else's experience. People queued up to play the game, not watch you.

Quit being a turd.