Triggered by Faction-Lock

Tattooo · May 2019

- Bring back pre-one Tamriel, different factions shouldn't be able to play together - since you're choosing an alliance, then you're taking a side whether you're in Cyrodiil or not

- Bring back Cadwell's silver and gold - no access to zones beyond your questing progress

- Remove wayshrines because what kind of immersion is *** fast travel????

- In order to level mages guild you will now have to pass a questionnaire based on every lorebook you read

-Remove being able to buy mount upgrades. You shall practice every day

All because of immersion right ? I mean Cyrodiil gets to have factionlock why shouldn´t that kind of immersion apply to other things aswell, like in the bulletpoints above SMILE : )

Tattooo · May 2019

I´m just trying to make a point here, that faction lock is just another stupid idea, I could also rant about all the bugs that were implemented in the pvp zone.

-more damage (can´t explain why, no proof)

-stamina drain (can´t explain why, no proof)

-u get stuck in the air when streaking in oil room or tower

-enemies who use a gapcloser disappear for a splitsecond and appear infront of you

-and something definitely happened with the hardening ward of magsorc .... prepatch I had 21k HP and 38k MAG got to a tooltip of 11,5k on my shield and with the new expansion I get to 24k HP and 40k HP and get to a tolltip of 9,5k.

-nightblade ended up being buffed again instead of being nerfed actually, you get to have 38% dmg mitigation now CLAP

-you get knockupped way higher and knockbacked way further

Tattooo · May 2019

These points are all made from a non-cp perspective, I don´t take cp scrubs into consideration(I´m sorry).

Kel · May 2019

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Solid_Metal · May 2019

immersion ?, i think faction lock have nothing to do with immersion, it ZoS attempt to decreaase those "Spy" player, that like to hope to other faction and spy those faction situation, at least thats what they say on live stream, how effective it is i'm not sure

Tattooo · May 2019

Oh and also add a mercenary faction, because I want to kill everything on sight, I don´t want to be bound to one alliance : )

Hämähäkki · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

Especially you Kingassa88 you crying baby, AAAAAAAAH my nightblade and magsorc got nerfed "sobbing noises".

You should snip that name

Tattooo · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Basically I´m just triggered because I can´t play with friends of other alliances anymore, and the characters I lvl´d are basically useless.

Tattooo · May 2019

Solid_Metal wrote: »

immersion ?, i think faction lock have nothing to do with immersion, it ZoS attempt to decreaase those "Spy" player, that like to hope to other faction and spy those faction situation, at least thats what they say on live stream, how effective it is i'm not sure

Honestly that whole spying ***, doesn´t make sense, who does that anyway ?

I´m just here trying to enjoy my smallscale experience, on whatever faction has the better action/lower population.

Tattooo · May 2019

Hämähäkki wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

Especially you Kingassa88 you crying baby, AAAAAAAAH my nightblade and magsorc got nerfed "sobbing noises".

You should snip that name

True, mods might delete that post, thanks because you shouldn´t shame on people right ? : P

Kel · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Basically I´m just triggered because I can´t play with friends of other alliances anymore, and the characters I lvl´d are basically useless.

That's a valid criticism.

As far as the spying thing goes, it happens frequently. Lots of posts about that. You probably can still do that, but now you'll be stuck.
So does jumping on another alliance to trash talk the chat. Both cases from players who take this far too seriously for a video game.
These are things that won't be missed.

And of course, you still can play with friends , just work it out and maybe alternate campaigns...so this campaign, let's play AD, next campaign we'll play EP....or whatever faction. Not ideal, but dont let that stop you from playing with friends

Tattooo · May 2019

You do realize that there is only one nocp campaign and 3factions to play, so that won´t work. And I won´t wait one month just to play with a friend, I´m still in a ballgroup which means.... I need to stay on one alliance.

If you don´t know Cyrodiil´s Fist yet ...

https://www.youtube.com/user/tietokonna/videos

Please check them out : )

Tattooo · May 2019

Another thing I would love to get are ALLIANCE CHANGE TOKENS, I mean at the end of the day I mostly play DC and my AD and EP characters will just rot away, so atleast give me alliance change tokens so I can get them on DC aswell.

Kel · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

You do realize that there is only one nocp campaign and 3factions to play, so that won´t work. And I won´t wait one month just to play with a friend, I´m still in a ballgroup which means.... I need to stay on one alliance.

If you don´t know Cyrodiil´s Fist yet ...

https://www.youtube.com/user/tietokonna/videos

Please check them out : )

If you need to stay on one alliance, not seeing why this is an issue.

Like I said, it's not ideal.
Thank your fellow players for their *** behavior. This wouldn't be an issue without them.

I'm out

Tattooo · May 2019

Well from a solo/smallscale player perspective faction lock just feels wrong.

I´m not into the whole HEY LET´S WIN THE CAMPAIGN; LET´S ZERG AND MORNING AND NIGHTCAP EVERY SINGLE KEEP ON THE MAP SO THE OTHER FACTIONS WILL COME CRYING AND RAGING.

I just wanna enjoy some good old outnumbered pvp with friends, that´s all. And that´s my point of the story, I realize your´s might differ.

TriangularChicken · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Please..this selling emp run thing is a myth. Nobody can guarantee a player to be crowned as emp. Yes you can help somebody get #1 rank, but getting emp still depends on the map situation and on the other 2 alliances.

Hämähäkki · May 2019

TriangularChicken wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Please..this selling emp run thing is a myth. Nobody can guarantee a player to be crowned as emp. Yes you can help somebody get #1 rank, but getting emp still depends on the map situation and on the other 2 alliances.

Sure you can, have seen it multiple times.

The_Shadowborn · May 2019

"Just organise it with tour friends what faction you want to play" I see that a lot around the forums when we bring up that point. But I'm sorry but who only has one set of friends they like to play with in pvp. Playing the game for so long you make slot of friends, a lot of characters you like to play and all I see faction lock doing is cutting you out of diffrent friendship groups as for 30days you picked EP over the other factions.
Not to mention I now have 16 characters and as a pvp main I'm locked out of 6 of those characters I spent hours making.
And yes I know about the 7 day unlocked campaigns however there are so dead out side of "prime time" you can take Galdemist as 2 people and no one will show up.
Also what do these "spies" do tell their buddies that the faction blob of 40 people are moving from sej to Brk, like it's not that hard to predict where people will go. With max speed mounts and rapids you move so quickly around Cyrodill you should easily be able to get into the keep to defend sneak attack or not.

ZOS_RogerJ · May 2019

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THEDKEXPERIENCE · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

These points are all made from a non-cp perspective, I don´t take cp scrubs into consideration(I´m sorry).

[snip]. Pretending no-CP PVP is somehow more advanced is laughable. The few times I’ve gone in there it felt like I was fighting uncoordinated baby deer.

edited for non-constructive comment]

therift · May 2019

Faction locks were reintroduced to address abuses that were made possible by faction-hoping. These issues have been thoroughly discussed for at least two years. ZoS specifically stated that two of the abuses violated ZoS's intended Cyrodiil game play and requested player reports when those abuses occurred.

When Update 18 went Live, ZoS stated they were "still looking at concerns regarding Alliance loyalty to Campaigns". This suggested that the evidence of faction-hopping abuses and damage to competitive gameplay was sufficient for ZoS to monitor the frequency and impact of faction-hoping abuses. Now, after a year of private observation, along with continued abuse reports, it appears ZoS has decided that reintroduction of limited faction-locks is necessary.

Yasha · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

Well from a solo player perspective (me) faction lock just feels wrong.

I´m not into the whole HEY LET´S WIN THE CAMPAIGN; LET´S ZERG AND MORNING AND NIGHTCAP EVERY SINGLE KEEP ON THE MAP SO THE OTHER FACTIONS WILL COME CRYING AND RAGING.

I just wanna enjoy some good old outnumbered pvp with friends, that´s all. And that´s my point of the story, I realize your´s might differ.

The idea of faction locking should help reduce what you are describing above. Players will no longer be able to just log onto the ep zerg in the morning, then hop over to their DC toons to follow Fengrush around when he logs in, and then doodle around with their pals in AD.

Sometimes one faction is going to outnumber the others, but at least we won't have players trying to game the system by swapping factions willy-nilly.

If it was up to me I would have no faction swapping campaigns at all, and make all accounts faction locked for good. Faction based RvR benefits from nurturing a sense of realm pride, something that has been sorely missing in ESO.

Beardimus · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

- Bring back pre-one Tamriel, different factions shouldn't be able to play together - since you're choosing an alliance, then you're taking a side whether you're in Cyrodiil or not

- Bring back Cadwell's silver and gold - no access to zones beyond your questing progress

- Remove wayshrines because what kind of immersion is *** fast travel????

- In order to level mages guild you will now have to pass a questionnaire based on every lorebook you read

-Remove being able to buy mount upgrades. You shall practice every day

All because of immersion right ? I mean Cyrodiil gets to have factionlock why shouldn´t that kind of immersion apply to other things aswell, like in the bulletpoints above SMILE : )

Sounds good, games gotten way to casual. If i want an arcade game ill play COD.

Tattooo · May 2019

Well, idk this discussion got way out of hand to begin with .... I just said that if faction lock applies to cyrodiil the same should happen to other content, trials or dungeons for example ... IMMERSION RIGHT : ) there is no such thing as spying, everyone can predict where the zerg is going, well if ur a normal human being that is.

Tattooo · May 2019

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Tattooo wrote: »

These points are all made from a non-cp perspective, I don´t take cp scrubs into consideration(I´m sorry).

lol ... “CP scrubs” would likely wipe the floor with you with or without them. Pretending no-CP PVP is somehow more advanced is laughable. The few times I’ve gone in there it felt like I was fighting uncoordinated baby deer.

So what´s ur point now, how was that comment any useful to this discussion.

CP is way more forgiving than nocp is, where u can easily get killed by 20people light attacking you.

NOCP punishes you for mistakes, CP doesn´t. From my perspective that means nocp takes alot more skill and concentration, but that´s just my opinion : )

Royaji · May 2019

All of these faction lock discussions just feel like a bunch of selfish [snip] yelling at each other. "The only right way to play the game is my way!"

I don't think ZOS has handled faction lock well. They should've given everyone a choice.

30-day CP with faction lock
30-day CP without faction lock
30-day no-CP with faction lock
30-day no-CP without faction lock

4 campaigns is not too bad for spreading out the population and I do not think anyone really enjoys 7-day campaigns. With a selection like that everyone will be able to put their actions to where their mouth is. Or are faction loyalists too afraid that their precious faction locked campaigns will turn into ghost towns without forcing others to play their way?

[edited for inappropriate language]

Tattooo · May 2019

Royaji wrote: »

All of these faction lock discussions just feel like a bunch of selfish pricks yelling at each other. "The only right way to play the game is my way!"

I don't think ZOS has handled faction lock well. They should've given everyone a choice.

30-day CP with faction lock
30-day CP without faction lock
30-day no-CP with faction lock
30-day no-CP without faction lock

4 campaigns is not too bad for spreading out the population and I do not think anyone really enjoys 7-day campaigns. With a selection like that everyone will be able to put their actions to where their mouth is. Or are faction loyalists too afraid that their precious faction locked campaigns will turn into ghost towns without forcing others to play their way?

That would be a valid solution tbh, good work.

OlumoGarbag · May 2019

I really like the new faction lock system, here is why:

Im mostly playing Ebonheart Pact on Sotha EU, on primetime when all factions are locked the DC and AD small and mediumscale groups are annoying or farming us. We have no chance. Since im Portogeese im playing a little bit out of primetime and as soon as the coordinated groups log of Ep is outnumbering everyone else finally. Thats when i play the most, we can take every keep by force bc we are more. Normally EP players would log onto DC and AD chars to start contering us, but finally they cant anymore. So we can take over the map, war is not fair and we have the numbers.

Tattooo · May 2019

But I don´t think that will happen, because pvp population is way too low to begin with.

Leeched · May 2019

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

I really like the new faction lock system, here is why:

Im mostly playing Ebonheart Pact on Sotha EU, on primetime when all factions are locked the DC and AD small and mediumscale groups are annoying or farming us. We have no chance. Since im Portogeese im playing a little bit out of primetime and as soon as the coordinated groups log of Ep is outnumbering everyone else finally. Thats when i play the most, we can take every keep by force bc we are more. Normally EP players would log onto DC and AD chars to start contering us, but finally they cant anymore. So we can take over the map, war is not fair and we have the numbers.

I'll go an translate this post from zerglish to non-zerglish: The pact cant win even fights so they wait till everyone logs out so they can steamroll, zerg and PvDoor the map

ShadowDisciple · May 2019

Tattooo wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

Saw someone in chat the other day complaining they couldn't sell emp runs to other factions anymore because of the lock.

Yes, there's drawbacks to the system, like not being able to play with friends in other factions or having the map dominated by one faction with little chance of comeback.

But if the community wasn't so trolly and doing shady things, this kind of "solution" wouldn't be necessary.

You can thank your fellow players for faction lock. If they would've just played for the alliance they were currently on, instead of sabotaging or spying, this wouldn't be an issue.

Edit: And I'm not seeing why you are "triggered" with faction locking beyond "It's a stupid idea"...maybe include some point why you think it's stupid..

It's not about immersion, it's about players being ***.

Basically I´m just triggered because I can´t play with friends of other alliances anymore, and the characters I lvl´d are basically useless.

If they are your friends then *** organise and make chars on same faction and play that 1 faction all together... Simple. Takes 10h of gane time to create battle ready cyrodiil toon