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WHOSE IDEA was it to give Stamblades a Class DoT(the only thing they lacked)?
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Deathlord92✭✭✭✭✭
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No no this isn’t happening omg so even after all our nerfs we lose major fracture major defile stun from incap minor berserk minor endurance our sustain because we are squishy you are still moaning about nb. How can anyone take this seriously adapt if it isn’t nb it will be something else some players are just good did you think about that I seen players owning on magblade weak class and stam sorc l2p please no more nerfs play your class right you will also do well it can happen.OK, lets look at the things Stamblade has right in their class setup.
One of the best single Target spammable - Surprise Attack
Best AoE spammable - Power extraction
best Execute - Killer's blade
One of the best gap closers - Ambush
Sustain tool - Leeching Strikes
In-class offresource selfheal - Dark cloak
Burst skill - Relentless focus
The only thing they lacked in their class arsenal was a class DoT.
Guess what, they now have a class DoT as well with new shade. The new dual scaling Dark Shade is a Single target/AoE DoT which outdamages Poison Injection and has double duration. This is a big buff to PvE stamblades and fill the only gap in the arsenal of bow/bow stamblade(lacks of DoTs). In fact, it uses Magicka to cast, so is essentially free.
yes, I know Minor Berserk and major fracture was removed, but none of that matters in PvE, if anything the Surprise attack change is a buff.
Fun fact - NB shadow archer morph Shadow image equates necro Skeletal Archer/mage is in terms of DPS while having utility. The other shadow warrior morph Dark Shade beats Skeletal mage/archer by a significant margin and also has an AoE aspect to it. YES, NIGHTBLADE PET IS APPARENTLY STRONGER THAN NECROMANCER PET.
smh
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deepseamk20b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Wait until they are all using SnB in PvP...It's coming. Just remember I warned you ahead of time...
Already there lol. In 5 medium as well. Dark cloak, relentless focus damage reduction, plus minor maim from shadow image is pretty tanky even for being in mostly medium. Still have high damage stuff on front bar once I begin my damage rotation with reverberating bash/mass hysteria (depending on what type of combat I’m doing). DBoS into spectral now, killers blade. Nice stuff. Might test out some heavy sets with it like seventh legion as well.
Interesting fact, I think it was Morrowind, but nightblades were specifically said to use sword and shield. Funny how things come full circle!Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭russelmmendoza wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Lol, OP, thank you, I just made up rotation with 5 dots (blockade, path, shade, lotus fan and grasp) and hit my 6M dummy U21 numbers without any rotation and CP optimization
Hey, post your dps parse rotation, wanna see it in action, and copy it of course.
If its not too much, your gear setup and everything, please?
@russelmmendoza
I am not top player, I guess you may take better ideas from youtubers, all I saying is that with shade and lotus fan I again can hit ~40k self-buffed, though rotation is more complicated. Basically you have 3 main dots - blockade, lotus and crippling grasp which have 8, 8 and 10 seconds duration. Then you have path and trap which have 12 and 14 seconds durations and shade which has 20 seconds. Add here merciless resolve procs and precise amount of resources/timing on impale on execute range.. and compare it to templars rotation with 3 dots and 1 spammable and on which I was hitting same 40k on PTS (on 6M, I dont' see any point in trial dummy, nobody has 100% uptime of major force etc...)
Build is standard pre-Elsweyr, Siroria, Mother sorrow precise inferno front, vma infused inferno backbar, zaan/skoria.
Main bar: merciless resolve, lotus fan, impale, crippling grasp, dark shade, incap.
Back bar: siphoning attacks, harness magicka (eledrain in parse), twisting path, blockade, rearming trap, shooting star/elerage.
I tested it for a while today and it seems stable from sustain side, though in stacked boss fights you'll drop lotus for inner light and in case of ranged role trap for channeled acceleration.1 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭lol did you read the patch notes for the already super-powered Dragonknight? buff buff buff buff buff... I really dont think the change to dark shade is going to make much difference considering other nerfs to the class4 -
John_Falstaff✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Am I really reading a thread that complains that some class has an in-class DoT? Whee, ESO forums have hit a new low. ^^9 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Am I really reading a thread that complains that some class has an in-class DoT? Whee, ESO forums have hit a new low. ^^
I guess even removal of major fracture and minor berserk won't stop "nerf NB" movement. Omg, we need to be afraid of next update, new nerfs incoming
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nsmurfer✭✭✭✭✭John_Falstaff wrote: »Am I really reading a thread that complains that some class has an in-class DoT? Whee, ESO forums have hit a new low. ^^
Stamina nightblaee is the last class to deserve any dot.4 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imagine complaining about Shade when the sorc Twilight hits players for 5k hits
You do realise that pet sorc requires 3 bar slots for that ? Two for pet and 1 for daedric prey and pet still can die which will require cast time resummoning. On nightblade You can choose damaging pet and You'll get hits up to ~3k on pet that cannot die , takes 1 slot and applies minor maim to enemy and is instant cast to summon. Yeah You can argue it lasts only 17 seconds and You need to recast it but same goes for curse if You want to have mentioned 5k hits and You need to recast it every 6 seconds. Also if You want to talk about damage of pets when they're affected by damage increase bonuses then with vulnerability from teleport strike and 20% dmg debuff from death stroke I think max hits of damaging morph of that pet on players would've reach 4k. Dangerously high for a pet that requires way less micromanagment then sorc pet. And dont even get me started about fact that nb pet scales from wep/spell dmg and max mag/stam based on which is higher when magsorc pet scales purely from max magicka which opens way more possibilities for nb then for petsorc.
Man, you are talking with a Nightblade Main. No way He will admit that stamblades are still overperforming.
Fun fact is I didnt even said that. I just explained why sorc pet is doing more dmg and that nb shade is doing not bad dmg either in one of the morphs. I think it's just auto trigger in stamblade players that forces them to react every time stamblade is called out for having something decent.2 -
Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Deathlord92 wrote: »
No no this isn’t happening omg so even after all our nerfs we lose major fracture major defile stun from incap minor berserk minor endurance our sustain because we are squishy you are still moaning about nb. How can anyone take this seriously adapt if it isn’t nb it will be something else some players are just good did you think about that I seen players owning on magblade weak class and stam sorc l2p please no more nerfs play your class right you will also do well it can happen.OK, lets look at the things Stamblade has right in their class setup.
One of the best single Target spammable - Surprise Attack
Best AoE spammable - Power extraction
best Execute - Killer's blade
One of the best gap closers - Ambush
Sustain tool - Leeching Strikes
In-class offresource selfheal - Dark cloak
Burst skill - Relentless focus
The only thing they lacked in their class arsenal was a class DoT.
Guess what, they now have a class DoT as well with new shade. The new dual scaling Dark Shade is a Single target/AoE DoT which outdamages Poison Injection and has double duration. This is a big buff to PvE stamblades and fill the only gap in the arsenal of bow/bow stamblade(lacks of DoTs). In fact, it uses Magicka to cast, so is essentially free.
yes, I know Minor Berserk and major fracture was removed, but none of that matters in PvE, if anything the Surprise attack change is a buff.
Fun fact - NB shadow archer morph Shadow image equates necro Skeletal Archer/mage is in terms of DPS while having utility. The other shadow warrior morph Dark Shade beats Skeletal mage/archer by a significant margin and also has an AoE aspect to it. YES, NIGHTBLADE PET IS APPARENTLY STRONGER THAN NECROMANCER PET.
smh
well said
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nsmurfer✭✭✭✭✭How can't people understand how ridiuclius it is for a stamina class to have a full class kit with 4 weapon skill lines.... smh
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LadySinflower✭✭✭✭✭When I first started the game with my very first character it was a stamblade. Honestly I couldn't figure it out. My character was weak, squishy, had no self-heal that was effective, and just died all the time. I kept it until about level 45 before giving up. I changed it to magblade and never looked back. I was able to make it work and love the character now. My negative experience makes me wonder how anyone can say the stamblade is OP. Maybe now that I'm a bit better player I'll have to try another one.0 -
nsmurfer✭✭✭✭✭LadySinflower wrote: »When I first started the game with my very first character it was a stamblade. Honestly I couldn't figure it out. My character was weak, squishy, had no self-heal that was effective, and just died all the time. I kept it until about level 45 before giving up. I changed it to magblade and never looked back. I was able to make it work and love the character now. My negative experience makes me wonder how anyone can say the stamblade is OP. Maybe now that I'm a bit better player I'll have to try another one.
Dark cloak, leaching strikes both heal.0 -
bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Facefister wrote: »What's the point of this thread?
Same as every NB thread; complain about NB.
If they don't play NB (as in this instance), they complain that the NB is OP.
If they do play NB, they complain that the NB has been rendered unplayable by nerfs.2 -
LiquidPony✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OK, lets look at the things Stamblade has right in their class setup.
One of the best single Target spammable - Surprise Attack
Best AoE spammable - Power extraction
best Execute - Killer's blade
One of the best gap closers - Ambush
Sustain tool - Leeching Strikes
In-class offresource selfheal - Dark cloak
Burst skill - Relentless focus
The only thing they lacked in their class arsenal was a class DoT.
Guess what, they now have a class DoT as well with new shade. The new dual scaling Dark Shade is a Single target/AoE DoT which outdamages Poison Injection and has double duration. This is a big buff to PvE stamblades and fill the only gap in the arsenal of bow/bow stamblade(lacks of DoTs). In fact, it uses Magicka to cast, so is essentially free.
yes, I know Minor Berserk and major fracture was removed, but none of that matters in PvE, if anything the Surprise attack change is a buff.
Fun fact - NB shadow archer morph Shadow image equates necro Skeletal Archer/mage is in terms of DPS while having utility. The other shadow warrior morph Dark Shade beats Skeletal mage/archer by a significant margin and also has an AoE aspect to it. YES, NIGHTBLADE PET IS APPARENTLY STRONGER THAN NECROMANCER PET.
smh
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Lol no.
Dark Shade does not out-DPS Poison Injection.
Dark Shade does not out-DPS the Skeletal Archer. Skeletal Archer also has secondary utility in that it keeps Dismember procced and adds execute crit via Death Knell.
Dark Shade's AoE component is infrequent and relatively small.
Surprise Attack isn't even a great spammable now. Wardens and Necros can spam at range and Templars have a conal AoE spammable. In fact, the highest stamblade parses I've seen so far this patch don't use Surprise Attack at all.
So what are you even talking about?5 -
russelmmendoza✭✭✭✭✭
✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »russelmmendoza wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »Lol, OP, thank you, I just made up rotation with 5 dots (blockade, path, shade, lotus fan and grasp) and hit my 6M dummy U21 numbers without any rotation and CP optimization
Hey, post your dps parse rotation, wanna see it in action, and copy it of course.
If its not too much, your gear setup and everything, please?
@russelmmendoza
I am not top player, I guess you may take better ideas from youtubers, all I saying is that with shade and lotus fan I again can hit ~40k self-buffed, though rotation is more complicated. Basically you have 3 main dots - blockade, lotus and crippling grasp which have 8, 8 and 10 seconds duration. Then you have path and trap which have 12 and 14 seconds durations and shade which has 20 seconds. Add here merciless resolve procs and precise amount of resources/timing on impale on execute range.. and compare it to templars rotation with 3 dots and 1 spammable and on which I was hitting same 40k on PTS (on 6M, I dont' see any point in trial dummy, nobody has 100% uptime of major force etc...)
Build is standard pre-Elsweyr, Siroria, Mother sorrow precise inferno front, vma infused inferno backbar, zaan/skoria.
Main bar: merciless resolve, lotus fan, impale, crippling grasp, dark shade, incap.
Back bar: siphoning attacks, harness magicka (eledrain in parse), twisting path, blockade, rearming trap, shooting star/elerage.
I tested it for a while today and it seems stable from sustain side, though in stacked boss fights you'll drop lotus for inner light and in case of ranged role trap for channeled acceleration.
Tyvm sir, I thank you for this info.
Though I will never clear vma, its good to know magblade are still capable. Though my magblade can only do 22k dps.0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imagine complaining about Shade when the sorc Twilight hits players for 5k hits
You do realise that pet sorc requires 3 bar slots for that ? Two for pet and 1 for daedric prey and pet still can die which will require cast time resummoning. On nightblade You can choose damaging pet and You'll get hits up to ~3k on pet that cannot die , takes 1 slot and applies minor maim to enemy and is instant cast to summon. Yeah You can argue it lasts only 17 seconds and You need to recast it but same goes for curse if You want to have mentioned 5k hits and You need to recast it every 6 seconds. Also if You want to talk about damage of pets when they're affected by damage increase bonuses then with vulnerability from teleport strike and 20% dmg debuff from death stroke I think max hits of damaging morph of that pet on players would've reach 4k. Dangerously high for a pet that requires way less micromanagment then sorc pet. And dont even get me started about fact that nb pet scales from wep/spell dmg and max mag/stam based on which is higher when magsorc pet scales purely from max magicka which opens way more possibilities for nb then for petsorc.
Man, you are talking with a Nightblade Main. No way He will admit that stamblades are still overperforming.
Fun fact is I didnt even said that. I just explained why sorc pet is doing more dmg and that nb shade is doing not bad dmg either in one of the morphs. I think it's just auto trigger in stamblade players that forces them to react every time stamblade is called out for having something decent.
So I tested with a friend, my FULLY unbuffed light armor magblade gets hit by 600-900 damage ticks from Shadow Image. "4k ticks" omegaLULHow can't people understand how ridiuclius it is for a stamina class to have a full class kit with 4 weapon skill lines.... smh
From all the things you could complain about you pick up Shadow Image. And you're not even trolling, that's just wonderful.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imagine complaining about Shade when the sorc Twilight hits players for 5k hits
You do realise that pet sorc requires 3 bar slots for that ? Two for pet and 1 for daedric prey and pet still can die which will require cast time resummoning. On nightblade You can choose damaging pet and You'll get hits up to ~3k on pet that cannot die , takes 1 slot and applies minor maim to enemy and is instant cast to summon. Yeah You can argue it lasts only 17 seconds and You need to recast it but same goes for curse if You want to have mentioned 5k hits and You need to recast it every 6 seconds. Also if You want to talk about damage of pets when they're affected by damage increase bonuses then with vulnerability from teleport strike and 20% dmg debuff from death stroke I think max hits of damaging morph of that pet on players would've reach 4k. Dangerously high for a pet that requires way less micromanagment then sorc pet. And dont even get me started about fact that nb pet scales from wep/spell dmg and max mag/stam based on which is higher when magsorc pet scales purely from max magicka which opens way more possibilities for nb then for petsorc.
Man, you are talking with a Nightblade Main. No way He will admit that stamblades are still overperforming.
Fun fact is I didnt even said that. I just explained why sorc pet is doing more dmg and that nb shade is doing not bad dmg either in one of the morphs. I think it's just auto trigger in stamblade players that forces them to react every time stamblade is called out for having something decent.
So I tested with a friend, my FULLY unbuffed light armor magblade gets hit by 600-900 damage ticks from Shadow Image. "4k ticks" omegaLULHow can't people understand how ridiuclius it is for a stamina class to have a full class kit with 4 weapon skill lines.... smh
From all the things you could complain about you pick up Shadow Image. And you're not even trolling, that's just wonderful.
You do realise whole thread is mostly about second morph right ? Or You just read the title and jumped to conclussions once again ? You really need to do something with Your delusion.Edited by Juhasow on May 24, 2019 1:17AM2 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imagine complaining about Shade when the sorc Twilight hits players for 5k hits
You do realise that pet sorc requires 3 bar slots for that ? Two for pet and 1 for daedric prey and pet still can die which will require cast time resummoning. On nightblade You can choose damaging pet and You'll get hits up to ~3k on pet that cannot die , takes 1 slot and applies minor maim to enemy and is instant cast to summon. Yeah You can argue it lasts only 17 seconds and You need to recast it but same goes for curse if You want to have mentioned 5k hits and You need to recast it every 6 seconds. Also if You want to talk about damage of pets when they're affected by damage increase bonuses then with vulnerability from teleport strike and 20% dmg debuff from death stroke I think max hits of damaging morph of that pet on players would've reach 4k. Dangerously high for a pet that requires way less micromanagment then sorc pet. And dont even get me started about fact that nb pet scales from wep/spell dmg and max mag/stam based on which is higher when magsorc pet scales purely from max magicka which opens way more possibilities for nb then for petsorc.
Man, you are talking with a Nightblade Main. No way He will admit that stamblades are still overperforming.
Fun fact is I didnt even said that. I just explained why sorc pet is doing more dmg and that nb shade is doing not bad dmg either in one of the morphs. I think it's just auto trigger in stamblade players that forces them to react every time stamblade is called out for having something decent.
So I tested with a friend, my FULLY unbuffed light armor magblade gets hit by 600-900 damage ticks from Shadow Image. "4k ticks" omegaLULHow can't people understand how ridiuclius it is for a stamina class to have a full class kit with 4 weapon skill lines.... smh
From all the things you could complain about you pick up Shadow Image. And you're not even trolling, that's just wonderful.
You do realise whole thread is mostly about second morph right ? Or You just read the title and jumped to conclussions once again ? You really need to do something with Your delusion.
How ironic.7 -
Juhasow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Ragnaroek93 wrote: »Imagine complaining about Shade when the sorc Twilight hits players for 5k hits
You do realise that pet sorc requires 3 bar slots for that ? Two for pet and 1 for daedric prey and pet still can die which will require cast time resummoning. On nightblade You can choose damaging pet and You'll get hits up to ~3k on pet that cannot die , takes 1 slot and applies minor maim to enemy and is instant cast to summon. Yeah You can argue it lasts only 17 seconds and You need to recast it but same goes for curse if You want to have mentioned 5k hits and You need to recast it every 6 seconds. Also if You want to talk about damage of pets when they're affected by damage increase bonuses then with vulnerability from teleport strike and 20% dmg debuff from death stroke I think max hits of damaging morph of that pet on players would've reach 4k. Dangerously high for a pet that requires way less micromanagment then sorc pet. And dont even get me started about fact that nb pet scales from wep/spell dmg and max mag/stam based on which is higher when magsorc pet scales purely from max magicka which opens way more possibilities for nb then for petsorc.
Man, you are talking with a Nightblade Main. No way He will admit that stamblades are still overperforming.
Fun fact is I didnt even said that. I just explained why sorc pet is doing more dmg and that nb shade is doing not bad dmg either in one of the morphs. I think it's just auto trigger in stamblade players that forces them to react every time stamblade is called out for having something decent.
So I tested with a friend, my FULLY unbuffed light armor magblade gets hit by 600-900 damage ticks from Shadow Image. "4k ticks" omegaLULHow can't people understand how ridiuclius it is for a stamina class to have a full class kit with 4 weapon skill lines.... smh
From all the things you could complain about you pick up Shadow Image. And you're not even trolling, that's just wonderful.
You do realise whole thread is mostly about second morph right ? Or You just read the title and jumped to conclussions once again ? You really need to do something with Your delusion.
How ironic.
How ironic.1 -
Rataroto✭✭✭✭So can I have the other morph of Crippling Grasp be stam now?
BTW, Power Extraction isn't the stronger AOE in the game, Wrilling Blades is, because of the execute damage, PE does start with higher dmg, yes, but at 41% WB does more. Just an FYI0 -
r34lian✭✭✭✭✭
✭OK, lets look at the things Stamblade has right in their class setup.
One of the best single Target spammable - Surprise Attack
Best AoE spammable - Power extraction
best Execute - Killer's blade
One of the best gap closers - Ambush
Sustain tool - Leeching Strikes
In-class offresource selfheal - Dark cloak
Burst skill - Relentless focus
The only thing they lacked in their class arsenal was a class DoT.
Guess what, they now have a class DoT as well with new shade. The new dual scaling Dark Shade is a Single target/AoE DoT which outdamages Poison Injection and has double duration. This is a big buff to PvE stamblades and fill the only gap in the arsenal of bow/bow stamblade(lacks of DoTs). In fact, it uses Magicka to cast, so is essentially free.
yes, I know Minor Berserk and major fracture was removed, but none of that matters in PvE, if anything the Surprise attack change is a buff.
Fun fact - NB shadow archer morph Shadow image equates necro Skeletal Archer/mage is in terms of DPS while having utility. The other shadow warrior morph Dark Shade beats Skeletal mage/archer by a significant margin and also has an AoE aspect to it. YES, NIGHTBLADE PET IS APPARENTLY STRONGER THAN NECROMANCER PET.
smh
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Mine now what are you gonna do about it 2000 CP • 18 Maxed Characters • 6 Altmers • 7 Redguards • Necromancer Orc • Warden Dunmer • DK Nord • DK Imperial • Templar Breton0 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol, I just looked Alcast site and he threw away slotables to place shade. Thus nightblade has zero skills slotted just for bonus, all skills used, rotation hard as nut, still most challenging class like it was. Though new DK maybe more challenging, but all the talk is about magsorcs with half bar of slotables vs NBs right?
And that according to OP's opinion ranged class with easier rotation should outperform melee class with harder rotation? If nightblades are not trash it's unbearable?Edited by MartiniDaniels on May 24, 2019 4:51AM2 -
nsmurfer✭✭✭✭✭So can I have the other morph of Crippling Grasp be stam now?
BTW, Power Extraction isn't the stronger AOE in the game, Wrilling Blades is, because of the execute damage, PE does start with higher dmg, yes, but at 41% WB does more. Just an FYI
Whirling blades does higher damage from 39%. From 100 to 0%, power extraction does higher average dps with lesser cost, higher range and ulti gain.0 -
DokThor90✭✭✭A little bit offtopic but would becreally cool if some1 would answer it:
Does power Extraction more dmg then sap Essence? Didnt they got buffed the same?0 -
Uryel✭✭✭✭✭
✭One of the best single Target spammable - Surprise Attack
Best AoE spammable - Power extraction
best Execute - Killer's blade
One of the best gap closers - Ambush
Sustain tool - Leeching Strikes
In-class offresource selfheal - Dark cloak
Burst skill - Relentless focus
- Surprise attack was nerfed, no lunger applies a defense reduction on the enemy, making it alot less useful in PvE small group / solo. Still does good damage, though, but that's all there is to it.
- Power extraction is nice, but not really spammable. It drains stamina way too fast. Unless you plan to rest somewhat between each fight, or use pots as soon as they recharge, maybe.
- Killer's blade is pretty good, yeah
- Ambush is nioce, but other classes have them too and there is nothing pecial to this one. I personnaly would ocnsider two-handed's critical charge to be even better.
- Leeching strikes is a nice sustain, on par with sorcerer's darkexchange, for instance. Most classes have sustain skills, don't they ?
Now...
"In class Offressource selfheal - Dark Cloak" ??? That may be your vision of the skill, but why the heck would you want ot use it that way ? That's the worst way to use that skill as a stamblade. It becoms super inefficient. And its main use, cloaking, as the name implies, is now entirely useless, reduced to 1 second
Also, relentless focus was nerfed to high heavens. Most people never used it for the burst bow thingie, but for the damage bonus. Now it's gone. SKill becomes about as useful as Bosmer's third racial , that is mostly useless and highly circumstancial at best.
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