But do you fulfill any of the tank duties? Crowd control, turning bosses and keeping them taunted so the Healer can do their job without unneeded aggro from everything? Debuffing the bosses? Offering any group utility beyond burning things? Your role effects your team...you're denying your team the chance of getting a tank that at least has a sword and shield at minimum, at least has HP or a taunt, at the least.

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel

If that was the actual reason you would just queue as DPS on your DPS. The reason you're doing it is to skip the DPS queue.

Then again, as long as you're doing your job (taunting and keeping the boss in place) idgaf.

It’s lying. Do this with a prearranged group that agrees, fine. Do it in random group finder and you think you are special and get to skip the line that the other 2 DPS waited in. No exceptions.

So you do it so you can skip the long queue ahead of the more honest DPS, and so the bosses will attack and kill the squishy DPS because they aren't taunted by a tank, and make the healer's jobs harder.

Slot taunts and get some sort of defenses, that's all you're set.

As a healer, I can tell the difference if you aren't taunting.

Usually because the boss ends up in my face, and I wind up becoming the tank in addition to healing the rest of my PUG group, while also buffing and doing damage.

Just because I can do all three roles doesnt mean I want to. If I wanted to tank, I'd have queued up on my tank and done a better job of holding aggro.

If you queue as a tank, slot a taunt.

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel

I understand your point of DPS who struggle to kill add's and wonder why the tank and healer end up abandoning them, I know because I queue randoms on my tank and always seem to end up replacing those tanks, most times its a combinations of new players who don't know the dungeon mechanics or worst case a new player who has to be explained to what a rotation is.

I play the Tank role on my main(complete support more or less the immortal DK build providing damage shields and support healing, next to know damage unless, I slot Tremorscale/damage ultimate and lose out on sustain)


Main problems I have with this is:

1, If your queuing randoms, you got no control whether or not you end up in a DLC dungeon or not, if you do end up in a DLC dungeon and leave since you are not set up for the role that group, either has to hope a real tank comes along or disband and queue again. (maybe port to FG1 but some people are queue specific for the DLC dungeon for pledges and won't want to)

2, Even if your queuing for specific normal dungeons, there are a lot of players running those dungeons for the first time, having a 3rd DPS to speed through them does not help them to learn the mechanics of the dungeon for when they eventually do vet. And new players who want to be tanks level as DPS they pick up bad habits by watching fake tanks in dungeons.

If you can do the role on your DPS, got no problem with a fake tank queuing, there is always a shortage of tanks but if your not doing the role and just being a third DPS your doing disservice, to those still learning the game in the normal dungeons. Getting a dungeon done quick does not teach people how to deal with the bosses when they finally start to queue for the vet versions.

If you want a faster queue, queue with a tank or a group of friends/guild members who know your not a tank just queuing as the role.

For those experienced players in general, take a moment to teach, under-performing group members, in PUGS, if they respond like an idiot to your advice fine their loss but most will listen and try to learn.

It makes life a lot easier for the next groups, they queue with, as a tank I can only teach mechanics to groups, I don't play DPS in group stuff so can only offer some basic advice about rotations.

DPS at 25k, 30k? Sorry i only allow fake tanks if they outdps me... because having the boss running around cuts my damage in half, so you either pull 51k+ dps or slot a taunt

I just solo dungeons. I'm really not there for the XP, mostly to just get pledges done. If it is something I can't solo, or if I am specifically looking for a gear set, i'll get 3 friends so I have the guarantee that they will share the stuff i'm looking for.

Git Gud, or Git Friends. Otherwise, you are rolling the dice on whether it will be a group you approve of.

I've tanked my fair share of pugs and 95% of the time DPS is just dreadful. I used to do it together with a healer where both of us were in half dps setups and we would often enough have 90% of group dps together.

People act as if faketanks are a real problem, but honestly fake dps are a far bigger problem as there are simply way more of them.

I can fully understand why OP would go this route, but I also would suggest to at least slot a taunt. Most vet dungeons are soloable so if you can do that you can also just taunt the boss and keep it in place.

Groupfinder simply sucks and people should use the new guildfinder to find people to do pledges etc. with.

If I queue for a random veteran, and end up with one of the dlc dungs, and the "tank" is spamming 2 hander cleave and I have all the aggro, thats when I report for fake tank. IMH I dont care if you go essence thief or youkeda, just don't make me permablock and permadodge because I have the aggro. If you really want to queue as a tank while being the damage dealer, make a tank dps build u can use. I'm sure you can pull 20-30k as a tank if you want but pls just taunt those *** mobs.

I do understand the frustration with bad dd's as a tank, but as a dd, it's also annoying with bad tanks. I lose more than half my dps on a bad tank just because 1: stacking is ***. 2: I have aggro. 3: zero buffs or debufs. Maybe I lose more than half my dmg, maybe even 75% of my dmg loss because of that.