VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Um, they did that already.
It got reverted because it turned into a tank fest where fights dragged on and it was impossible to balance tanky builds in BGs vs Cyrodiil, AND it didnt actually help BGs chronic population problem. No CP BGs were a lot easier for ZOS to manage and had a better TTK and engaging fights.
ZOS gave CP Battlegrounds a shot. It didnt work out.
That's really what's being asked for here: that No CP players gets a shot at making an unlocked 7 day campaign work.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Faction locks suck because they are fracturing communities, but we're already having trouble sustaining the campaigns we have.
I wonder if it would work to have a 30 day CP, a 30 day no CP (plus IC and non-vet) then a campaign or two that's only open during peak hours. The non-peak players are already fundamentally forced into the 30 camps anyway and it might create healthier alternate campaigns, as well as a testbed for the devs to play with ruleset changes.
VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Um, they did that already.
It got reverted because it turned into a tank fest where fights dragged on and it was impossible to balance tanky builds in BGs vs Cyrodiil, AND it didnt actually help BGs chronic population problem. No CP BGs were a lot easier for ZOS to manage and had a better TTK and engaging fights.
ZOS gave CP Battlegrounds a shot. It didnt work out.
That's really what's being asked for here: that No CP players gets a shot at making an unlocked 7 day campaign work.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Um, they did that already.
It got reverted because it turned into a tank fest where fights dragged on and it was impossible to balance tanky builds in BGs vs Cyrodiil, AND it didnt actually help BGs chronic population problem. No CP BGs were a lot easier for ZOS to manage and had a better TTK and engaging fights.
ZOS gave CP Battlegrounds a shot. It didnt work out.
That's really what's being asked for here: that No CP players gets a shot at making an unlocked 7 day campaign work.
YMMV, I personally had way more fun in a CP enabled BG than non-CP. I suppose that's what this is really about; Fun is subjective, right?
You can't sit here and say no to more options for others, while arguing more options for yourself.
bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »All campaigns should be faction-locked.
bulbousb16_ESO wrote: »All campaigns should be faction-locked.
All campaigns should but faction unlocked.
See? I can say stuff too!
But really though, non CP players are pigeon-holed into either playing only one faction or playing CP.
While I'm not surprised ZOS is essentially deaf and blind to their own player base (Incap feedback anyone?), it is frustrating being a non CP player who is multifaction.
The game is touted "play your way", the faction loyalists say "play my way", and they won. Now we deal with it. But options would be nice.
THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I’m laughing at this “faction locks suck” notion. I’m glad they added it. Pick a side. It’s a war.
Faction locks make sense, sure. But now No-CP players are unable to play PvP on 2/3 of their characters.THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »I’m laughing at this “faction locks suck” notion. I’m glad they added it. Pick a side. It’s a war.
VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Um, they did that already.
It got reverted because it turned into a tank fest where fights dragged on and it was impossible to balance tanky builds in BGs vs Cyrodiil, AND it didnt actually help BGs chronic population problem. No CP BGs were a lot easier for ZOS to manage and had a better TTK and engaging fights.
ZOS gave CP Battlegrounds a shot. It didnt work out.
That's really what's being asked for here: that No CP players gets a shot at making an unlocked 7 day campaign work.
YMMV, I personally had way more fun in a CP enabled BG than non-CP. I suppose that's what this is really about; Fun is subjective, right?
You can't sit here and say no to more options for others, while arguing more options for yourself.
See, I don't see it that way.
My approach, if I thought CP BGs was viable, would be to say "ZOS, it sucks that we CP players don't get an option to play CP Battlegrounds because those are limited to No CP. It ALSO sucks that No CP players are limited to one faction on their only Cyrodiil campaign. How about you fix that for both of us?"
Whereas you seem to be going with "I didnt get the CP BGs what I want, so multifaction No CP players ought to be limited to only one faction on one campaign."
I don't really get that mentality.
For what its worth, I asked for CP BGs. And then we got them, and I saw the problems, and I understand why ZOS reverted to No CP. I wouldn't mind if they tried it again...but I doubt the problems have changed. So why should they try again?
We CP PVPers had our chance to prove that CP BGs were viable. They really weren't, from ZOS' perspective.
In contrast, No CP players arent even being given the chance to see if a multi-faction 7-day campaign is viable.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Judas Helviaryn wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I'm a faction loyalist on the CP Campaign, but I absolutely agree. No CP Players should have an unlock 7 day campaign so they have the same choice as CP Players.
Sure, just as soon as they open up CP battlegrounds for the rest of us..
Um, they did that already.
It got reverted because it turned into a tank fest where fights dragged on and it was impossible to balance tanky builds in BGs vs Cyrodiil, AND it didnt actually help BGs chronic population problem. No CP BGs were a lot easier for ZOS to manage and had a better TTK and engaging fights.
ZOS gave CP Battlegrounds a shot. It didnt work out.
That's really what's being asked for here: that No CP players gets a shot at making an unlocked 7 day campaign work.
YMMV, I personally had way more fun in a CP enabled BG than non-CP. I suppose that's what this is really about; Fun is subjective, right?
You can't sit here and say no to more options for others, while arguing more options for yourself.
See, I don't see it that way.
My approach, if I thought CP BGs was viable, would be to say "ZOS, it sucks that we CP players don't get an option to play CP Battlegrounds because those are limited to No CP. It ALSO sucks that No CP players are limited to one faction on their only Cyrodiil campaign. How about you fix that for both of us?"
Whereas you seem to be going with "I didnt get the CP BGs what I want, so multifaction No CP players ought to be limited to only one faction on one campaign."
I don't really get that mentality.
For what its worth, I asked for CP BGs. And then we got them, and I saw the problems, and I understand why ZOS reverted to No CP. I wouldn't mind if they tried it again...but I doubt the problems have changed. So why should they try again?
We CP PVPers had our chance to prove that CP BGs were viable. They really weren't, from ZOS' perspective.
In contrast, No CP players arent even being given the chance to see if a multi-faction 7-day campaign is viable.
Funny, what I was saying is that I'm down for having a non-CP 7 day campaign to give people more options, and that ZOS should keep up with that trend and provide options for those of us who liked CP BGs.
I guess people will make a strawman out of anything now.