Guild Rank Privs Suggestion: "View Blacklist" in addition to "Manage Blacklist" (+Poll)

thegreatme
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So I have to say that the announcement of better guild managing tools made me really excited, especially the blacklist feature since we've had a few bad apples manage to get into our guild on occasion, and its the first thing I started messing with, but through some extensive testing with my guild officers I found out there's a bit of an issue with some of the new features, that being the blacklist and its notes is unviewable unless someone has the "Manage Blacklist" feature, which automatically enables the "Remove members" option for them as well.

I basically tested *every* other privilege in guild ranks to see if they would make it viewable, but only "Manage Blacklist" does.

I do understand in some groups, "View Blacklist" has the potential to be abused, but giving only the option to Manage it in order to see it seems even worse imo. Most people I've already added to my guild blacklist are people who not only broke guild rules, but ZoS conduct rules and/or the law (stalking and harassment, racist and anti-LGBT slurs, etc), not for petty reasons or standard spats.

We already have two separate options "View member notes" and "edit member notes". It only seems natural we'd have a "view blacklist" option which makes it only viewable, but not grant editing and kicking options, especially in the case of users whose behaviors are more extreme than others. Some people's behaviors are outright dangerous to other users, and things like that should be made transparent to protect a guilds' members where possible.


An additional note to this, the blacklist notes could probably benefit from a higher text amount cap for explaining why they're on the blacklist.
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Guild Rank Privs Suggestion: "View Blacklist" in addition to "Manage Blacklist" (+Poll) 20 votes

Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
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jbjondeaueb17_ESOYukon2112Tiara_RaAlnilamEHamrbMyNameIsEliasImmortalElf13NeyanePeveythegreatmeJayAstrophel 11 votes
No there should not be a "View Blacklist" option
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Hamish999WolfStar07Silurus 3 votes
I'm neutral on whether there should be a "View Blacklist" option
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kathandiraRygonixLeagueTroll 3 votes
I'm undecided on whether there should be a "View Blacklist" option; it has both pros and cons
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HvzedaOhtimbarJawshoeuh 3 votes
  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
    If anyone has other ideas on this or wants to share the pros and cons they can think of and which outweigh the others, feel free.
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  • LeagueTroll
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    I'm neutral on whether there should be a "View Blacklist" option
    Honestly it’s pretty w/e, the ‘bad apple’ you don’t want may see you as ‘stupid potato’
  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
    Honestly it’s pretty w/e, the ‘bad apple’ you don’t want may see you as ‘stupid potato’

    Well when the people I want to blacklist are people such as... adults who want to stalk and harass minors, and get other people to stalk and harass them for them when they're blocked and reported and are still playing the game free as a bird, I don't exactly think I care whether those people want to think of me as a "stupid potato".
    Edited by thegreatme on May 21, 2019 11:23PM
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  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
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    Edited by thegreatme on May 21, 2019 11:22PM
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  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
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  • Nestor
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    If you try to add a player that is on the Blacklist, does the invite get neutered or nullified? If that is the case, then only a few people, the ones who manage it, need to see the list.

    I hope it works that way, as I get several requests a day for access to my main guild and I spend enough time on those just getting them invited.
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  • Grimm13
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    The argument against viewing Blacklist is that it is a form of naming and shaming then. Keeping it more private is the comprise to add the feature without n&s.
    Edited by Grimm13 on May 22, 2019 9:07PM
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  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
    Nestor wrote: »
    If you try to add a player that is on the Blacklist, does the invite get neutered or nullified? If that is the case, then only a few people, the ones who manage it, need to see the list.

    I hope it works that way, as I get several requests a day for access to my main guild and I spend enough time on those just getting them invited.

    I would hope the blacklist is actually functional on the back-end and not simply up to looking at it yourself to make sure the person isn't blacklisted, and being able to get applications or accidentally accept something from someone who is blacklisted.
    Grimm13 wrote: »
    The argument against viewing Blacklist is that it is a form of naming and shaming then. Keeping it more private is the comprise to add the feature without n&s.

    That's one of the cases I could see it getting misused in the case of people who just like to spread nasty things around about other users with little legitimate reason.

    But not having the blacklist viewable doesn't stop naming&shaming behaviors, it just stops it from being listed in the in-game guild UI. People name&shame others through text chat, /say, /guildchat, voice chat, and their guild discords all the time. Its against the rules, they still do it, they're still going to do it, if they're determined to cause problems. Sure you can report people for doing it, but how far does that really go most of the time?

    So it doesn't really negate that problem. People just redirect it to other channels.

    Likewise, the "View Blacklist" would be optional and up to each GM's discretion to let people see it or not, and in of itself if they had a viewable blacklist smearing people for petty, inconsequential things rather than serious offense, that in itself would probably tip me off whether I want to be in that guild and under that GM anyway.
    Edited by thegreatme on May 22, 2019 11:26PM
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  • thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
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    Thank You ZoS!:
    ◙ Blackfeather Court banker/merchant
    ◙ Blackfeather Houseguest
    ◙ Eyebright Raven
    ◙ Gloam Indrik
    ◙ Gloam Wolf Mount
    ◙ Gloam Senche
    ◙ Gloam Quasigriff
    ◙ Evergloam house
    ◙ Nocturnal Skill Styles

    Let's See It Happen ZoS:
    ◙ /honorloop emote
    ◙ cross-legged sitting emote
    ◙ Hagraven Polymorph
    ◙ Hagraven Houseguest
    ◙ White Raven
    ◙ Evergloam Shade skin/polymorph
    ◙ Gloam bear
  • thegreatme
    thegreatme
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    Yes there should also be a "View Blacklist" option
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    Thank You ZoS!:
    ◙ Blackfeather Court banker/merchant
    ◙ Blackfeather Houseguest
    ◙ Eyebright Raven
    ◙ Gloam Indrik
    ◙ Gloam Wolf Mount
    ◙ Gloam Senche
    ◙ Gloam Quasigriff
    ◙ Evergloam house
    ◙ Nocturnal Skill Styles

    Let's See It Happen ZoS:
    ◙ /honorloop emote
    ◙ cross-legged sitting emote
    ◙ Hagraven Polymorph
    ◙ Hagraven Houseguest
    ◙ White Raven
    ◙ Evergloam Shade skin/polymorph
    ◙ Gloam bear
  • WolfStar07
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    No there should not be a "View Blacklist" option
    I believe it's what Nestor suggested, that a person who is on the blacklist cannot join the guild, even via application. Therefore, there is no need to allow all officers (or whatever ranks you're trying to add) to see it. I've always understood it to be that way, so it must have been explained in the announcement stream.
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