Why exactly are the horse upgrades not account wide?

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Starting a Necromancer now, I realise that I forgot how slow mounts are at first…

And honestly, thinking about how much Time I had to invest just to get my Necros Horse up there (2 months just for the speed upgrades) really makes my skin crawl...

Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014, when the game was supposed to be subscription based, but cmone, cant we get at least a little benefit when we already own a char that has all stats on 100%?
  • Wise_Will
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    Crown store riding lessons. They need to sell them
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  • russelmmendoza
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    Buy them with crown store.

    Now go buy more crowns.
  • snoozy
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    as stated before, it generates revenue.

    and for people who don't wanna spend crowns on this it is another incentive to login every day.

    but same, i had forgotten how painfully slow you are in the beginning, even with rapid maneuver :neutral:
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  • Uviryth
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    Because they make a lot of money in the Crown Store
  • Hamish999
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    Don't forget that you can buy riding lessons with crown gems too
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  • idk
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    And again, crown store riding lessons.

    Fortunately I saved the ones we received from the free crown crates we used to get often so my mount was not to bad on day one.
  • alanmatillab16_ESO
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    Starting a Necromancer now, I realise that I forgot how slow mounts are at first…

    And honestly, thinking about how much Time I had to invest just to get my Necros Horse up there (2 months just for the speed upgrades) really makes my skin crawl...

    Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014, when the game was supposed to be subscription based, but cmone, cant we get at least a little benefit when we already own a char that has all stats on 100%?

    Why do I have to level my necromancer (when I get the expansion) when I have already got a character to level 50? can't we get at least a little benefit when we already own a level 50 character?
  • zaria
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    Wise_Will wrote: »
    Crown store riding lessons. They need to sell them
    Mount training dates back long before the crown store.
    Originally you trained mounts and you could only train to level 50, but you could buy horses who had an +10 in them.
    This is the horses you can buy for gold at stable.
    With crown store it was changed to riding training so you could get 60 in all 3 stats, downside is that this take 180 days.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
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    Starting a Necromancer now, I realise that I forgot how slow mounts are at first…

    And honestly, thinking about how much Time I had to invest just to get my Necros Horse up there (2 months just for the speed upgrades) really makes my skin crawl...

    Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014, when the game was supposed to be subscription based, but cmone, cant we get at least a little benefit when we already own a char that has all stats on 100%?

    Why do I have to level my necromancer (when I get the expansion) when I have already got a character to level 50? can't we get at least a little benefit when we already own a level 50 character?

    You do, It's called CP. Not comparable to mounts... at all.


    edit

    Interesting idea, ZoS add mount QoL star to CP system (under Steed).
    Edited by mairwen85 on May 21, 2019 9:46AM
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    Starting a Necromancer now, I realise that I forgot how slow mounts are at first…

    And honestly, thinking about how much Time I had to invest just to get my Necros Horse up there (2 months just for the speed upgrades) really makes my skin crawl...

    Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014, when the game was supposed to be subscription based, but cmone, cant we get at least a little benefit when we already own a char that has all stats on 100%?

    Why do I have to level my necromancer (when I get the expansion) when I have already got a character to level 50? can't we get at least a little benefit when we already own a level 50 character?

    You can use the CP you accrued on other characters on your lowbie. That's your little benefit.
    Get rid of faction locks.
  • wishlist14
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    Press 'L' join under lvl 50 campaign in cyrodill. Pick up the quest at the Gate and go do your training. You dont need to go into the pvp area just the training area and you will get a skill that is called ' rapid manouver' that gives your mount a speed buff in pvp which also works in pve. All you do is the training quest, easy peasy....faster mount.😊😊😊

    I think it makes your mount 40% faster...
    Edited by wishlist14 on May 21, 2019 9:58AM
  • zaria
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    wishlist14 wrote: »
    Press 'L' join under lvl 50 campaign in cyrodill. Pick up the quest at the Gate and go do your training. You dont need to go into the pvp area just the training area and you will get a skill that is called ' rapid manouver' that gives your mount a speed buff in pvp which also works in pve. All you do is the training quest, easy peasy....faster mount.😊😊😊

    I think it makes your mount 40% faster...
    Yes, note that todays login reward is also 3000 AP, so you just has to log in today.
    Yes the Cyrodil training quest is good XP and AP, each PVP level give an skill point.
    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • DLM
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    wishlist14 wrote: »
    Press 'L' join under lvl 50 campaign in cyrodill. Pick up the quest at the Gate and go do your training. You dont need to go into the pvp area just the training area and you will get a skill that is called ' rapid manouver' that gives your mount a speed buff in pvp which also works in pve. All you do is the training quest, easy peasy....faster mount.😊😊😊

    I think it makes your mount 40% faster...

    Isn't it 30%? Anyway the skill only starts to show benefits when you are like half way through riding speed because 40% (or 30%?) of nothing is still nothing. So you don't really see much improvement.
    Edited by DLM on May 21, 2019 10:43AM
  • Jeremy
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    Starting a Necromancer now, I realise that I forgot how slow mounts are at first…

    And honestly, thinking about how much Time I had to invest just to get my Necros Horse up there (2 months just for the speed upgrades) really makes my skin crawl...

    Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014, when the game was supposed to be subscription based, but cmone, cant we get at least a little benefit when we already own a char that has all stats on 100%?

    Just one of many things I wish were account-wide.
  • Banana
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    Everything should be account wide. A class change wouldnt be needed then
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  • Iluvrien
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    You are training the character. Not the horse. Thus, character-bound.

    That (and the revenue) answers your “why”.
    Edited by Iluvrien on May 21, 2019 11:01AM
  • Girl_Number8
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    Money :o
  • BlueRaven
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    I like how people make playing a video game sound like a chore.

    “OMG! Why can’t (skyshards, riding, questing, leveling, crafting, learning skills) be account wide??!! Once I mine a node, every node in the entire game should now dump its contents into my bag! I did it once didn’t I? In fact, why do I need to play at all, everything should be done for me!”
  • RodneyRegis
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    Meh. Get to level 10, go to cyrodiil, open rapids, use fast travel add-on. Can always ride at an acceptable speed.
  • SiAScORCH
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    Because they're not account wide. They did that for a reason. Buy crown upgrades, or just do your daily upgrade. Make toons in advance and level the horse everyday while you're not using them, this way when you do decide to use them they're already set on the horse upgrades.
  • Elwendryll
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    I saved 25 days of training with the lessons from daily reward and crown crates.
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  • Reverb
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    As said you are training your character, one character does not benefit from another’s knowledge. This is how I, able to learn to ride faster on my stam-cro (pvp) and carry more stuff on my mag-cro (pve).
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    Pick a great city to store your alts. Do horse and writs daily, while parked. Speed first, then I do storage, lastly stamina.

    Never had an issue all my guys are full 60, even the low levels.
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    Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.

    Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.

    Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...

    Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.

    Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.

    The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.

    The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.

    Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.

    Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)

    And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.

    After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.

    After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...

    Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.

    Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.

    {time moves forward through the hour-glass}
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  • wishlist14
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    DLM wrote: »
    wishlist14 wrote: »
    Press 'L' join under lvl 50 campaign in cyrodill. Pick up the quest at the Gate and go do your training. You dont need to go into the pvp area just the training area and you will get a skill that is called ' rapid manouver' that gives your mount a speed buff in pvp which also works in pve. All you do is the training quest, easy peasy....faster mount.😊😊😊

    I think it makes your mount 40% faster...

    Isn't it 30%? Anyway the skill only starts to show benefits when you are like half way through riding speed because 40% (or 30%?) of nothing is still nothing. So you don't really see much improvement.

    Oh ok true lol oops but still helps later on. Anyway I dont mind buying riding lessons as it makes the game feel more organic. Too many ppl want everything account wide but then you dont feel like you built your characters but just bought it. Just opinion.
    Anyway im sorry for the players that are not happy with having to pay for riding lessons, it's your right to feel that way
    Edited by wishlist14 on May 21, 2019 8:20PM
  • AlnilamE
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    zaria wrote: »
    wishlist14 wrote: »
    Press 'L' join under lvl 50 campaign in cyrodill. Pick up the quest at the Gate and go do your training. You dont need to go into the pvp area just the training area and you will get a skill that is called ' rapid manouver' that gives your mount a speed buff in pvp which also works in pve. All you do is the training quest, easy peasy....faster mount.😊😊😊

    I think it makes your mount 40% faster...
    Yes, note that todays login reward is also 3000 AP, so you just has to log in today.
    Yes the Cyrodil training quest is good XP and AP, each PVP level give an skill point.

    That's what I did.
    Meh. Get to level 10, go to cyrodiil, open rapids, use fast travel add-on. Can always ride at an acceptable speed.

    Or accept the AP daily rewards on a new character. That's the only reason why I made my Necro yesterday. He's level 4, hit level 3 in Assault/Support and has Rapid Maneuvres.


    Also of note that we get several riding lesson coupons in the attendance rewards this month.

    On the other hand, they *could* change it so you can buy one lesson per stat per day if you wanted to. That would make it take only 60 days to max everything out.
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  • driosketch
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    Cant we get this stuff Account wide please? I mean, I understood the "half a year to get your mount to 100%" back in 2014,
    You don't actually, because there was no such thing as a 100% training in 2014 when it was by mount. It was two months back then to get one functional mount, it's two months today per character, plus you can also max the other two lines after.

    Practically speaking, they are charging for skyshard unlocks now, and riding lessons are already a thing. They are in the crates and the end of this month's daily rewards. There is no way they could unlock that for you now account wide without upsetting people who paid for that stuff before.
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  • TheShadowScout
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    Why exactly are the horse upgrades not account wide?
    To make you break down in despair and shall out the cash for crown store riding lessons. Duh!
  • LiquidPony
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    Wise_Will wrote: »
    Crown store riding lessons. They need to sell them

    The existing mount training paradigm predates Mount Training packs ... in fact, as far as I recall, it predates the Crown Store altogether (IIRC the Crown Store was introduced with the "Tamriel Unlimited" update which took us from a P2P model to a B2P model).

    The original purpose is to keep you in the game, logging in every day on all of your characters.
  • AlnilamE
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    Why exactly are the horse upgrades not account wide?
    To make you break down in despair and shall out the cash for crown store riding lessons. Duh!

    Does that actually work? Because I'm 11 characters in and I still think buying crown riding lessons would be a waste of money.
    The Moot Councillor
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