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This game needs a way to change classes
Jeremy
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As the title suggests. It's unreasonable to expect players to start over from scratch on a massive game like this. A lot of us would like to try out the Necromancer (and many other classes for that matter) yet don't because the task of starting over is too prohibiting. The game already has race change tokens, name change tokens... why not class change tokens? It makes no sense to me why it doesn't. It would make ZoS more money, make their players happy - not to mention it's only fair considering how often they make (often dramatic) changes to their classes, many of which do not sit well with the people who play them. So it's a win win.
Edited by Jeremy on May 21, 2019 6:09AM 29
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Solid_Metal✭✭✭✭✭i read on a interview with Matt Firor, i think its on french magazine or something, that said they working on something like that, exactly a class change system or something similar we don't know yet
but currently theres no more news regarding that"i will walk through the fog, as i welcome death"2 -
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✭✭Stop chasing meta if your too lazy to level toons. Or if you just wanna test then go to PTS.24 -
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Rich Lambert mentioned in one of the Elsweyr live streams that class change tokens are actually something they aren't interested in doing, partly because it would be difficult to implement.Solid_Metal wrote: »i read on a interview with Matt Firor, i think its on french magazine or something, that said they working on something like that, exactly a class change system or something similar we don't know yet
but currently theres no more news regarding that
Why do people like you always assume it's the leveling people are worried about? Leveling a new character is easy enough, if not a bit time-consuming. What people have a problem with is redoing the Guild skill lines, certain Achievements, Skyshards, Lorebooks, Vampire/WW, possibly things like Legerdemain, and so on. It really is more a matter of everything else that goes into a character than just initial leveling, so maybe try not to be so patronizing and telling people what to do or not do.Stop chasing meta if your too lazy to level toons. Or if you just wanna test then go to PTS.
Also the PTS afaik doesn't stay up when there's nothing that needs to be testing. It's called a 'test server' not for individual private testing, but to test actual content before it gets made live.Edited by Arunei on May 21, 2019 6:56AMPC-NA | Been around since closed beta
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RP Characters:
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Vampire who really really REALLY likes likes learning Magick and also her Altmer husbando
Kaalhil Swiftstrike: Tiny shapeshifting monster hunter Bosmeri lady with enough sass to kill a dragon or ten
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Friendly healer with a coffee addiction and her own medical practice
Krisiel: Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things and is also a spy and ALSO a Werewolf
Niralae Elsinal: Young Altmeri woman with way too much Magicka and Vampire husbando
Slondor: TESified Slenderman, except lazier and has more of a thing for deals than Clavicus Vile does
Marius Vastino: Sarah's Imperial apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Lirawyn Calatare: Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Soliril Larethian: Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time24 -
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✭✭✭✭I can understand wanting a class change token because the race you selected for a particular character has been changed so much that the class is no longer great for that race.
But wanting a class change system simply because you can be bothered to play one part of the game on a new character and want to go straight to CP160?
I’m sure ZOS will indulge you by selling you cookie cutter ready made CP160s in future.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS thinks that the game will die if they introduced class change tokens because people won't have a reason to play the game anymore.
But FFXIV lets you change you class as much as you want, and it's likely even more popular than ESO. There is obviouisly no correlation between the ability to change class and a game's overall health. It's an unwarranted fear.Edited by MLGProPlayer on May 21, 2019 6:55AM12 -
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✭✭Stop chasing meta if your too lazy to level toons. Or if you just wanna test then go to PTS.
It's not chasing the meta anymore when a class is complete crap because ZOS balances it around one skill. It's also not chasing the meta when you keep getting nerfed and pigeonholed into a completely boring playstyle because the game's gameplay design team has limited vision and refuse to take real steps to balance the game properly.
Also, ever thought that someone might have max character slots?10 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭dual class characters, lke in ADD after you reach level 50 (or anytime thereafter) you can chose a new class, retain the skills from the old class but gain no more exp for the skills in that first class, then begin developing skills in a new class. THINK of the possibilities!Edited by ryzen_gamer_gal on May 21, 2019 6:14PM5
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Once again, you, like most everyone else against Class change tokens, seem to assume people want to skip 'one part of the game'. Why do you think it's initial character leveling people have a problem with? It has nothing to do with 'cookie cutter' anything, it's people not wanting to make an entirely new character for a new Class (or existing Class really) and go through ALL of leveling that new character. It's not the 1-50 most people take issue with. It's getting Skyshards/Lorebooks, all the needed Guild skills like FG and Psijic, it's getting all the other stuff that comes with the 1-50.I can understand wanting a class change token because the race you selected for a particular character has been changed so much that the class is no longer great for that race.
But wanting a class change system simply because you can be bothered to play one part of the game on a new character and want to go straight to CP160?
I’m sure ZOS will indulge you by selling you cookie cutter ready made CP160s in future.PC-NA | Been around since closed beta
Avid RPer. Hit me up in-game @Ras_Lei if you're interested in getting together for some arr-pee shenanigans!
RP Characters:
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Vampire who really really REALLY likes likes learning Magick and also her Altmer husbando
Kaalhil Swiftstrike: Tiny shapeshifting monster hunter Bosmeri lady with enough sass to kill a dragon or ten
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Friendly healer with a coffee addiction and her own medical practice
Krisiel: Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things and is also a spy and ALSO a Werewolf
Niralae Elsinal: Young Altmeri woman with way too much Magicka and Vampire husbando
Slondor: TESified Slenderman, except lazier and has more of a thing for deals than Clavicus Vile does
Marius Vastino: Sarah's Imperial apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Lirawyn Calatare: Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Soliril Larethian: Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time13 -
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✭✭It's also a nightmare for completionists. They're all basically stuck on one class. There's no incentive for them to progress some content on another class.
Account wide achievements (at least the pve ones) and crown store guild levelling tokens would solve this issue.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zos seems to have expressed they are not interested in such a thing when they said they were no interested in offering faction change., Personally I do not care either way.
The only game I have seen class change in is FF but it is a very different type of system so it is not very comparable. Besides, it is a poor example as it seems designed more with children in mind. Very bad game.4 -
mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Nope.
Use these 50 levels to properly learn your new class.
A big NO! to level boosts or Class changes!9 -
cyberjanet✭✭✭✭✭Imagine if in real life you could never ever change your job.
Your first choice is the one you're stuck with for the rest of your life, no matter how much technology changes or if the job even becomes redundant.Favourite NPC: Wine-For-All
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭cyberjanet wrote: »Imagine if in real life you could never ever change your job.
Your first choice is the one you're stuck with for the rest of your life, no matter how much technology changes or if the job even becomes redundant.
You will still have to learn this new job.
Good luck trying to get a senior position in an engineering company with your long years of experience as a Doctor.7 -
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✭Today, I would not change my class. I still support the idea of having a class change token since classes are irrelevant to the story (unlike SWTOR). Would make ZOS money, give players options.
People changing their class are not your concern, go worry about your own life. Thus every argument against it is pointless.
Realistic speaking, I doubt ZOS will do it because the cost of a class change token will most likely not be higher than the cost of using all other crown store stuff to bring a new character up to speed.9 -
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✭As the title suggests. It's unreasonable to expect players to start over from scratch on a massive game like this. A lot of us would like to try out the Necromancer (and many other classes for that matter) yet don't because the task of starting over is too prohibiting. The game already has race change tokens, name change tokens... why not class change tokens? It makes no sense to me why it doesn't. It would make ZoS more money, make their players happy - not to mention it's only fair considering how often they make (often dramatic) changes to their classes, many of which do not sit well with the people who play them. So it's a win win.
You do understand that this wouldn't work because you DO have to level all your skill lines to 50 from scratch and morphs 4?
Which is actually as much time it takes to level a new character? Or even harder if these are the 4th and 5th skill morphs you need take longer than leveling a new character.5 -
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✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »Nope.
Stupid idea.
Actually, the idea itself isn't bad. I mean, we can change race, appearance, gender, name... So why not ?
The reason behind it, basically "whine whine I don't want to level all over again", is... Err... Not the most enlightened one.
But maybe an altoholic like myself isn't the best person to say something about the matter. I do enjoy leveling new characters.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Solid_Metal wrote: »i read on a interview with Matt Firor, i think its on french magazine or something, that said they working on something like that, exactly a class change system or something similar we don't know yet
but currently theres no more news regarding that
That's nice to hear. To be honest I would prefer an actual class change system to tokens you buy anyway. So I hope something comes of that.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Their method is selling mount upgrades and your skyshards you already earned in the crown store. More to come if that works out.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »It's also a nightmare for completionists. They're all basically stuck on one class. There's no incentive for them to progress some content on another class.
Account wide achievements (at least the pve ones) and crown store guild levelling tokens would solve this issue.
Agreed. Just the thought of doing all those quest lines, guild lines, and achievements all over again is enough to push me off the idea. I've been working on this game for years and I just don't have the time or the energy to do that again every time I want to play a new class.5 -
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✭I'd rather they focus efforts on making (optional) cross character progression so it isn't such a pain in the ass to play alts. Let me share my PvP rank across other characters within the same faction. Let me use the titles I've earned. Let me share things like fighters guild skill line progression across characters. Let me have upgraded mounts upon character creation.
I'm sure ZOS will monkeypaw the **** out of this and monetize it all just like they will with the skill lines and the skyshards though.Edited by AlexanderDeLarge on May 21, 2019 10:23AM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »As the title suggests. It's unreasonable to expect players to start over from scratch on a massive game like this. A lot of us would like to try out the Necromancer (and many other classes for that matter) yet don't because the task of starting over is too prohibiting. The game already has race change tokens, name change tokens... why not class change tokens? It makes no sense to me why it doesn't. It would make ZoS more money, make their players happy - not to mention it's only fair considering how often they make (often dramatic) changes to their classes, many of which do not sit well with the people who play them. So it's a win win.
You do understand that this wouldn't work because you DO have to level all your skill lines to 50 from scratch and morphs 4?
Which is actually as much time it takes to level a new character? Or even harder if these are the 4th and 5th skill morphs you need take longer than leveling a new character.
I would be fine if using the class token reduced your character back to level 1. I just don't want to have to do all those quests lines and achievements again. It's taken me years to get all that done. Leveling up skill lines isn't that big a deal.Edited by Jeremy on May 21, 2019 10:23AM8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭MLGProPlayer wrote: »ZOS thinks that the game will die if they introduced class change tokens because people won't have a reason to play the game anymore.
But FFXIV lets you change you class as much as you want, and it's likely even more popular than ESO. There is obviouisly no correlation between the ability to change class and a game's overall health. It's an unwarranted fear.
It would probably encourage people to play more actually. I know it would me. I just don't find it fun doing the same thing over and over and over again. I know some people enjoy it - and with them I have no issue. But I would prefer to be able to try out new classes on my main.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭AlexanderDeLarge wrote: »I'd rather they focus efforts on making (optional) cross character progression so it isn't such a pain in the ass to play alts. Let me share my PvP rank across other characters within the same faction. Let me use the titles I've earned. Let me share things like fighters guild skill line progression across characters. Let me have upgraded mounts upon character creation.
I'm sure ZOS will monkeypaw the **** out of this and monetize it all just like they will with the skill lines and the skyshards though.
If all my progress was saved on the account instead of my chracter so that all I had to do was level up my basic character skill lines when I made an alt then I could live with that too.0 -
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Also the PTS afaik doesn't stay up when there's nothing that needs to be testing. It's called a 'test server' not for individual private testing, but to test actual content before it gets made live.
Actually the PTS is usually always up. You can go there any time for testing. It's just they don't do new character copies and stuff every week while there is nothing new to testEdited by DarkerDreams on May 21, 2019 10:36AM2 -
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The first MMORPG I ever played - Final Fantasy 11 - allowed people to change their class. And 20 years later it is still in business today.Edited by Jeremy on May 21, 2019 10:42AM3
