ZOS, Please Remove LA/HA Condition from Hawk Eye (Bow Passive)

GrumpyDuckling · April 2019

Hawk Eye: "Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times."

Can we just get a flat, non-conditional damage buff with this passive? Do light and heavy attacks have to operate as a conditional gate to stronger bow damage?

Lord_Eomer · April 2019

Better to change it to work on Crit Damage from Bow abilities

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · April 2019

The way Hawkeye works helps bow dps in pve while stopping it from being too much damage in PvP. I think the passive does a good job of that.

Izaki · April 2019

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

Toc de Malsvi · April 2019

The passive is both good and bad. It helps Bow/Bow, for the Archer playstyle in PVE, be more competitive without also boosting DW/Bow.

However it also hurts as no matter what changes for DW/2H in the future you will never want to back bar either as long as you depend on hawkeye stacks.

I think its probably the easiest way of rewarding bow main bar for bow skills without boosting ganking potential or boosting 2H/Bow or DW/Bow further. The only change I would like is more than 5 stacks.

zvavi · April 2019

The only change that I would like is that I will actually get stacks. I was building a rotation around that passive that focused on firing a back bar skill every 3rd ability, problem is, my hawk up time was 0%. Why? Because I light attacked, used a skill, and swapped bars too fast. That's when I stopped parsing on my stamina sorc.

SoLooney · April 2019

I dont see the problem, you are rewarded for weaving and not just mindlessly spamming abilities

Well balanced for pve and pvp

firedrgn · April 2019

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Hawk Eye: "Your successful Light and Heavy Attacks increase the damage of your Bow abilities by 5% for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times."

Can we just get a flat, non-conditional damage buff with this passive? Do light and heavy attacks have to operate as a conditional gate to its

Its a ganker deterant .. Thats the reason for the build up.

GrumpyDuckling · April 2019

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The way Hawkeye works helps bow dps in pve while stopping it from being too much damage in PvP. I think the passive does a good job of that.

Would there really be a problem with the bow offering too much damage in PVP? Apparently the damage for snipe is getting nerfed, the bow ultimate is extremely costly, and is quite counterable for a single target attack. Everything else in the bow skill line is more dot oriented or defensive. I don't really see where the issue would be.

GrumpyDuckling · April 2019

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

That's not a problem if you stay on your bow bar, but you are discounting bar swaps.

After bar swapping you lose the passive entirely after 5 seconds -- and there are bow attacks that last longer than 5 seconds. Just seems like silly design.

jaws343 · April 2019

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

That's not a problem if you stay on your bow bar, but you are discounting bar swaps.

After bar swapping you lose the passive entirely after 5 seconds -- and there are bow attacks that last longer than 5 seconds. Just seems like silly design.

And even if you are playing a bow build, the passive still requires that the light attacks land. Good luck with that.

Chilly-McFreeze · April 2019

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The way Hawkeye works helps bow dps in pve while stopping it from being too much damage in PvP. I think the passive does a good job of that.

Would there really be a problem with the bow offering too much damage in PVP?

Yes.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

That's not a problem if you stay on your bow bar, but you are discounting bar swaps.

After bar swapping you lose the passive entirely after 5 seconds -- and there are bow attacks that last longer than 5 seconds. Just seems like silly design.

Then why don't ask for longer lasting stacks?

GrumpyDuckling · April 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The way Hawkeye works helps bow dps in pve while stopping it from being too much damage in PvP. I think the passive does a good job of that.

Would there really be a problem with the bow offering too much damage in PVP?

Yes.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

That's not a problem if you stay on your bow bar, but you are discounting bar swaps.

After bar swapping you lose the passive entirely after 5 seconds -- and there are bow attacks that last longer than 5 seconds. Just seems like silly design.

Then why don't ask for longer lasting stacks?

Longer stacks would certainly be better than what we currently have, but I'd rather see stacks removed altogether.

It's just weird that LA/HA is a condition for other bow attacks to be more powerful -- I don't see how that connection makes any sense.

AgentOrangeR · April 2019

Bringing this one up, but as I'm getting getting to know how to use the bow, I agree
it seems the uptime of only 5 seconds is a bit short. all the "work" you have to do to keep it up, and not all my light attacks fire off so I end up losing a bit of dps as it goes from 5 to 0 and then have to built it up again. Either extend it to 10 or least drop the multiplier by 1 each second, but then some might say it's OP.

Night_Child · May 2019

I run a Bow/Bow archer build on one of my characters. Most people including Grumpy have some good points. If you have Relentless Focus on your bar though, 5 light attacks or 3 heavy is a must. After that, the move turns into Assassin's Scourge. Fire it off in your rotation and get back into landing another 5 light attacks. In my rotation, I have 4 Bow abilities and Relentless Focus (Grim Focus) from the Assassination skill line. I can say without a doubt...the 5 second duration is too short. Please up this duration to 10 seconds with 5 stacks. Players can also obtain the HE gear set to stack with the HE passive increasing the damage percent to 30% only after obtaing all 5 stacks. However, the armor set and passive should see a duration increase up to 10 seconds from 5 seconds. This will not make the passive or build overpowered, but instead make it competitive. I hope this helps.

EmEm_Oh · May 2019

I'm going to agree with you. Increase the time to 8s or ideally, 10s. One of the main reasons why I do not use Hawkeye. It's too short of a period and I'd rather use Marksman.

Night_Child · May 2019

EmEm_Oh,

I use HE, but it's a constant fight. And if something stupid happens like...let's say the button doesn't register or something like that, it's over and the whole thing has to be started from the beginning. The damage is good, but...damn, lol. Thank you and you're right as well. A minimum of even 8 seconds does give some breathing room. We all prefer 10 sec for the set to be only competitive, but yes, I and most players will even take 8.

kathandira · May 2019

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

In PvE, if you back bar a Bow, how many Light attacks do you get before you switch bars again?

I generally get 2.

Barswitch
First skill
LA
Second Skill
LA
Third Skill
Barswitch

I don't even get the 3rd, 4th, or 5th stack.

kathandira · May 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

The way Hawkeye works helps bow dps in pve while stopping it from being too much damage in PvP. I think the passive does a good job of that.

Would there really be a problem with the bow offering too much damage in PVP?

Yes.

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

That's not a problem if you stay on your bow bar, but you are discounting bar swaps.

After bar swapping you lose the passive entirely after 5 seconds -- and there are bow attacks that last longer than 5 seconds. Just seems like silly design.

Then why don't ask for longer lasting stacks?

That is something I can get behind. Give it a 10s duration, and now we're talking!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · May 2019

kathandira wrote: »

Izaki wrote: »

Is it that hard to do light attacks in between your skills?

In PvE, if you back bar a Bow, how many Light attacks do you get before you switch bars again?

I generally get 2.

Barswitch
First skill
LA
Second Skill
LA
Third Skill
Barswitch

I don't even get the 3rd, 4th, or 5th stack.

unless you have a bow equipped on both bars, the hawkeye stacks do not stay on your dw/2h bar anyways, so it is not really important. you have to have the weapon, bow, equipped to have the percent damage bonus from the weapons line, this includes the ranger one.